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Thanks for confirming. So both Ralph and Morris Chestnut had similar tone and voices. Even if Morris was the better singer with more aptitude in amplitude and power I still love 'tell me' on VIP. But who were those Rotations on Mala then if they were one and single group ? Or two ? Those late fifties Inspirations both on Jamie and Apollo ? Linked to which Philly labels releases Inspirations ?

Got it. Thanks. Roburt's 'copy & paste' from John Smith's blog on SS. There the three Attractions Bell singles are quoted ! Ha ! I thought I really had hearing's problem when it's 11 out of 10 when I'm at my best. Only 10 out of 10 when I'm not. That's reassuring. Still that does not resolve the Rotations on Mala mystery. I agree. But mind you that it could very well be an odd ball split 45 too. The real 'A' side ''misty roses' is not only sounding to be from another recording session if from the same group at all... The Chestnut malediction ? The Vows on VIP is clearly a record that Berry Gordy didn't want out but heaven only knows why it did as a single sided promotional copy first with an old previously unissued Contours version of 'buttered popcorn' credited to the Vows. Destined to be a miss. That's my theory at least. Or is it a really good Los Angeles Vows copycat of the Detroit Contours old bag style covering an old worthless tune of the Supremes ? That would prove to be the weirdest move to do to kick it in at Motown by 1965... But if they did the fooling on the other end is most effective I reckon. The commercial Vows VIP release got tucked away with the Vows 'tell me' gem on the flip side and many ARP copies got a 'plug side' star shape stamp on the evidently better 'tell me' side. But still that didn't do the trick as it didn't play the expected Motown sound... Could that Rotations on Mala 45 be some odd ball reels split business too to complete a 45 under a same "banner" with a loose spare unissued recording of the Chestnut connection for flip ? But I get that we just don't know and I maybe only guess too hard. Last minute addition revision ; The credited composer of both this Rotations on Mala 45 Jerry Flanagan often worked with Bobby Sanders from 1967 onward and at one other time at least in 1967 with Miles Grayson on the Four Sights single on Shy Soul 'love is a hurting game - that I can't win'. Jerry Flanagan never worked with Anthony C. Renfro though. The Rotation on Mala 'misty roses' side is odd enough to fit the Bobby Sanders related products if ever but still I'd have believe he would have his credit as he was rather well established by then. But not . So if the 'trying to make you my own' side is a Chestnut Connection recording through Ralph Chestnut then it's without the previous Anthony Renfro involvement for sure and under the arrangements of Miles Grayson this time. The mystery remains...

True for the Sound Masters. That I hear and that's why maybe it always failed to really grab me But apparently both Ralph and Morris Chestnut had very similar singings. So evidently without knowing what Ralph actually sang I'm lost there if ever to tell or know any better. Seem to remember reading Robbk on here (working at Motown gave him access to the studio recording session sheet very likely) comments stating that it was Ralph Chestnut at it and not Morris on lead with the Vows 'tell me' on VIP. Could that be the case and if so a legacy confusion kept on... As for the dating intertwine I hear but nothing clashing between recording session and releases if ever. Now listening again to the Attractions 'why shouldn't man cry' again I hear more similarities with the Rotations 'trying to make you my own' and with it similarities with Morris singing but then not. And so maybe it is actually his cousin Ralph there... Still The Chestnut Connection... Maybe only ? After so many listening sessions of the Attractions Bell sweet sides through the years I still hear Morris all this time after. But maybe it is Ralph all the same. And you mention Morris biography. Where do youI find that ?

One would need maybe to have that recording studio session sheet to know for sure but from the early days of the Vowels, then the Vows, the Sound Masters, the Attractions and finally these Rotations where the lead on 'trying to make you my own' could be Morris or his brother Ralph (similar singing but different tone to my ears) could have seen some continuous line-up inter-changes making the connections all the way through. In chronology a possibility, geographically too and musically as vocally absolutely too. So unless proven wrong I'll stick to that Chestnut theory... The Vows on VIP were ; James Moore, Ralph Chestnut, Morris Chestnut, Helen Simpson. The Sound Masters on Julet were ; David Jones, Morris Chestnut, Robert Jones, Roy Haggins. The Attractions on Renfro / Bell were ; Morris Chestnut, Helen Simpson, Ronald Saunders (?).

The 'dainty' factor of some issues versus demos (and vice versa at other times IMHO) when topped by a quote worth bragging about like with the Arabians 45 on Le Mans with the 'Jim Kemper Presents' line and here (featuring Richard Parker) makes such stocker irresistibly the press to own. But in this case is this a hint as to why this '(put a dime on) D-9' fantastic trashy 'teeny' sing-a-long 'punk-soul' kind of a tune sounds miles appart from their first bleak 'kiss and make up' HIT as the inspirations on Wand or their mediocre IMO follow up on Frantic 'a changed man' ? Is it alone worth the mention as if the Richard Parker was known and respected enough to 'promote' the record's sale expectations ? If so was he the Chicago (and Los Angeles and Detroit) guy from Vee-Jay and member of the Dutones ? If so explaining the 'D-9' unique standing-out factor ?

Have begin to make amend of that on Discogs but their procedures the last times I've tried to correct wrong entries or informations proved sometimes enduring if not nil. Have also began to compliment some of the missing gaps and links on the much more resourceful, reliable and easy to deal with site '45.com'. To be continued.

So the Wand Inspirations with their first release in April 1965 should be the same group as these '(put a dime) on D-9' guys & dolls. As this Virtue acetate shows and add water to that theory. Now could it be that they suddenly change their first name for this Frantic release by November 1965 after they realized that there was another contemporary Inspirations group (the Wisconsin group on Galaxie, Conduc, Midas...) ? No real pun on my behalf as ya'll have done the work gathering these and am merely putting it all in 'line' after doing some digging on the group and their releases while reviving this thread if ever. Exactly my ear and gut feeling too. At least at first; But maybe that most delightful 'D-9' UFO kind of a track is just too misleading to be attributed to anybody really. So could it still be them doing this fantastic trashed 'teeny' poppy sing-a-long 'punk-soul' tune ? The Inspirations 'link' with the Virtue acetate should tell us so. On another matter but of utter importance to me. Thanks for that. Although my ears and gut feeling had a hunch that it could be... Now to establish that (I'll do my digging to confirm if ever) is crucial to many I am sure.

Soulboyrecords has put up one now for sale.

Yep. Perfect Kev. And on your scan I see (at 2 & 3 O'Clock) the styrene beveled outer edge shine with the stuck on paper label. thanks a bunch.

Hi Robbk, alright so in a haste I went too fast in a hurry to state these where 'Terre Haute' pressings but not. My bad. Thanks for the correction then. Although they are Columbia (but New York). Yes the Monarch is styrene, this I know. But I have not yet seen that Columbia pressing and all the images on the net don'y allow me to visualize better. With her other 'Birthday fella( being vinyl I was suddenly wondering... So yes if you could check that would be greatly appreciated. Tim

Never had one or even less more than one in hand and so here goes my quest ; is the 'Terre Haute' (Columbia) pressing actually a vinyl or a styrene pressing ? This pressing plant did both and some releases came out as both styrene and vinyl variants so I am now wondering... Am asking now since I thought that this 45 only came on styrene in the USA. But I now see that her other UA 45 'birthday fella' came out on vinyl for this 'Terre Haute' pressing and 'don't' came out on styrene ('Monarch' pressing plant) but what about the Terre Haute pressing ? ---------Monarch styrene-------------------Terre Haute vinyl---------- --------Monarch styrene--------Terre Haute vinyl & / OR styrene ?--

Could have sold for more in the past but I don't think today's trend and demand press this sound. Indeed rarer than the purple stocker. Value maybe £150/170 ? My favorite pressings are those SP. The PL pressing (plant) and the MO styrene one are rarer as stockers and even more as promos.

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