[Pete S]

http://www.ebay.co.u...a#ht_572wt_1185

[ged parker]

Funny how he firstly says he picked up two at an all-nighter and on his latest listing he says he picked up odd copies. I'd be suprised if the seller here isn't also the "alleged" bootlegger.

[chalky]

Christopher Price from Norwich according to the ebay listing.

Hopefully Lou will see this and take some action, infact I'll send him a link then he will be aware.

[AGENTSMITH]

chalky, on 04 February 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

Christopher Price from Norwich according to the ebay listing.

Hopefully Lou will see this and take some action, infact I'll send him a link then he will be aware.

here, here mate, if this is correct, its an absolute disgrace...impatience most certainly ISNT a virtue. lou has been trying to tie up a deal for a legitmate release but there's always someone who wants to gazzump the process just to make a dishonest buck, there ought to be swift retribution for this.

[allnightandy]

This is getting beyond a joke People now bootlegging acetates !
whats the world coming too ?

The old addage "Keep your friends close but your enemies even closer " springs to mind
reminds me of when Richard Searling lent his (only known copy ) of the Jades "I'm where it's at " to a well known dj and hey presto a week later everybody had an EMI Disc of it

Edited by allnightandy, 04 February 2012 - 07:11 PM.

[Kris Holmes]

if this isn't an authorised copy then it will definitely leave a bad taste for Lou who has been working hard to get this stuff done properly. Looks like the seller has sold half a dozen or so already at 24.99

[Kris Holmes]

chalky, on 04 February 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

Christopher Price from Norwich according to the ebay listing.

poor form from a fellow Soul Source member but at this stage we can't be sure whether he is the source of the bootlegs.

Edited by Kris Holmes, 04 February 2012 - 11:45 PM.

[modernsoulsucks]

When this CD release was first mentioned on here I did drop Lou a line pointing out the preference for vinyl.

He said thanks but no thanks to my suggestion.

ROD

[Kris Holmes]

modernsoulsucks, on 04 February 2012 - 11:49 PM, said:

When this CD release was first mentioned on here I did drop Lou a line pointing out the preference for vinyl.

He said thanks but no thanks to my suggestion.

ROD

he has told me had been communicating with a couple of labels re.7" releases as of a couple of days ago. to have this boot out early could slice into some of the legit sales for sure.

[chalky]

Kris Holmes, on 04 February 2012 - 11:39 PM, said:

poor form from a fellow Soul Source member but at this stage we can't be sure whether he is the source of the bootlegs.

Don't think he is the source, good idea who is behind them though. Few people used from why I can see to get these boots out there.

[modernsoulsucks]

Kris,

You'd think he coulda just pressed 'em up over there?

Is this CD promotional only then or is it on sale.

Smacks of Universal and their rubbish handling of putting out unreleased Motown on vinyl.

Can't see why vinyl wouldn't have sold just as well as the CDs.

They always know better than those involved.

ROD

[Benji]

modernsoulsucks, on 05 February 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

Is this CD promotional only then or is it on sale.
ROD

It's on sale. http://www.kingdomcomeforever.com/

[modernsoulsucks]

I figured it was so why a CD rather than vinyl if demand comes from Northern market.

Glorified cassettes!!!

ROD

[Andy Rix]

A vinyl 45 is a sensible way forward for Lou ... I got the CD and really treasure it

As an aside I had a fascinating conversation with Jack Eskew a few weeks ago who remembered the 'Gone Wth The Wind Is My Love' sessions really well and was thrilled to hear the tracks again.

His memories of L.A. Motown, Frank Wlson, Hal Davis, Brenda & Patrice were a joy to listen to. He was a prominent guy in those days and Brenda gives him a name check in the interview I did with her. I think it's somewhere around on Soul Source

The world is full of interesting characters that we need to embrace

As regards the 'bootleg' 45 that is just wrong and needs to be stopped

Andy

[giant]

cashing in on LOU 'S hard work 'greedy bast**d .

[Kris Holmes]

modernsoulsucks, on 05 February 2012 - 12:11 AM, said:

I figured it was so why a CD rather than vinyl if demand comes from Northern market.

Glorified cassettes!!!

ROD

I really think that Lou did the CDs & mp3s without realising the appeal of a 7" vinyl release & has now been alerted & "pointed in the right direction" if you like. I would love to have three 7"s of this material. Both versions of the Gloria Jones on one, the Jimmy McFarlands on another & the Tiaras on a third. Unfortunately the 7" game isn't really one where you're gonna see a lot of return on your initial investment so to have this bootleg eat away from some potential sales really sucks for whoever may be looking to pick up the project.

[Pete S]

It's so cheap to get 7" singles made, 150 for £350 or thereabouts from one company in the UK

[Paul Mooney]

Thanks for spotting this, I'm looking into it.

The sale has ended and I can't find other copies on eBay at the moment but no doubt more will turn up.

I had an awful feeling this might happen.

Paul

[Ted Massey]

for sale at derby last night

[Kris Holmes]

Pete S, on 05 February 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:

It's so cheap to get 7" singles made, 150 for £350 or thereabouts from one company in the UK

which company does them at that price?

[Paul Mooney]

Kris Holmes, on 05 February 2012 - 08:36 PM, said:

which company does them at that price?

Hello,

I don't know any legitimate companies who can press commercial records at that price.

In fact it costs more than that just for cutting lacquers and metalwork processing (plates, stampers).

After that you also need to pay for printed labels, test pressings, final pressings, sleeves, boxes, cartons, delivery and VAT. It's quite an expensive process, that's why the dealer prices of specialist (small quantity) singles is high. Dealers buy singles between £4.00 and £5.00 and retail at £8.99 or £9.99 etc.

The unit cost of vinyl records only reduces significantly on a large order (several thousand units or more) but most soul singles are pressed in batches of 500 these days. That's how small the market is.

Bootleggers obviously have a huge financial advantage because they don't pay fees or royalties for master licensing or mechanical reproduction. They don't usually spend anything on pre-mastering and of course they don't have the promotional and marketing costs of a legitimate record company. And in some cases I know bootleggers also evade payment of VAT of manufacturing which reduces their costs by a further 20%.

By the way, as a comparison on manufacturing costs only, it's generally cheaper to press 1000 CDs than it is to press 500 vinyl records.

Paul

[Kris Holmes]

Paul Mooney, on 05 February 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

I don't know any legitimate companies who can press commercial records at that price.

me neither, but Pete does, so if i can get records done cheaper somewhere with comparable quality to other places i've used then i'd like to know......

[Paul Mooney]

Hello

It's a false alarm, these "records" are vinyl carvers with stuck-on labels.

Paul

[love1scent]

Hello Everyone.....

Thanks for your support and feedback about the illegal vinyl recording of Gloria Jones tune "Gone with the wind is my Love" that was on sale at Ebay....Would not have known about it without your concern and feedback.......Yes, I have put in a lot of time, hustle, and monies to make and promote the CD album. and suddenly I have to deal with these illegal un-authorized copies of Gloria's Tune...and the stress of it all..But that is business, I guess...Somehow, all things will work together for good to those who are Believers, said the Apostle Paul.

Again, thanks for your support and concern. I will keep you posted concerning any future vinyl releases that are schedule....I am In the process of doing several radio phone interviews this month concerning the CD Album that is out there for sale.

Respectfully/GodBless,
LouBarreto, writer & producer.
www.kingdomcomeforever.com

[Pete S]

Paul Mooney, on 05 February 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

Hello,

I don't know any legitimate companies who can press commercial records at that price.

In fact it costs more than that just for cutting lacquers and metalwork processing (plates, stampers).

After that you also need to pay for printed labels, test pressings, final pressings, sleeves, boxes, cartons, delivery and VAT. It's quite an expensive process, that's why the dealer prices of specialist (small quantity) singles is high. Dealers buy singles between £4.00 and £5.00 and retail at £8.99 or £9.99 etc.

The unit cost of vinyl records only reduces significantly on a large order (several thousand units or more) but most soul singles are pressed in batches of 500 these days. That's how small the market is.

Bootleggers obviously have a huge financial advantage because they don't pay fees or royalties for master licensing or mechanical reproduction. They don't usually spend anything on pre-mastering and of course they don't have the promotional and marketing costs of a legitimate record company. And in some cases I know bootleggers also evade payment of VAT of manufacturing which reduces their costs by a further 20%.

By the way, as a comparison on manufacturing costs only, it's generally cheaper to press 1000 CDs than it is to press 500 vinyl records.

Paul

Paul - these people keep sending me 'special offers', prices are ridiculously cheap, I will reprint the advert as soon as I find it so you know I'm not bullsh*tting you

[Pete S]

Here you go


7" VINYL RECORD'S

These deals include:
7" Single cut (up to three tracks in total), metalwork, five test pressings, a one colour label and packed into white paper bags.

Record Deal 1 - 150 X 7" £353.00
Upgrade to a four colour label for an additional £40.00
Upgrade to a four colour sleeve, no holes, no spine, gloss finish for an additional £139.05

Record Deal 2 - 200 X 7" £371.50
Upgrade to a four colour label for an additional £40.00
Upgrade to a four colour sleeve, no holes, no spine, gloss finish for an additional £139.05

Record Deal 3 - 300 X 7" £398.50
Upgrade to a four colour label for an additional £40.00
Upgrade to a four colour sleeve, no holes, no spine, gloss finish for an additional £156.60

Record Deal 4 - 500 X 7" £472.50
Upgrade to a four colour label for an additional £40.00
Upgrade to a four colour sleeve, no holes, no spine, gloss finish for an additional £202.50

Record Deal 5 - 1000 X 7" £667.50
Upgrade to a four colour label for an additional £35.00

Record Deal 6 - 1000 X 7" £960.30
This deal includes a four colour label, a four colour sleeve, no holes, no spine, gloss finish and is printed on 180GSM board

[Paul Mooney]

Pete S, on 06 February 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:

Here you go...

Thanks Pete,

I wasn't disputing what you said, I've seen the same (and similar) mailshots myself but their prices have "extras" such as multi-step plating, colour printing, delivery and 20% VAT - all of which makes quite a difference.

And they use a plant which I won't use anymore because of quality and service issues.

Best regards,

Paul

[Pete S]

Paul Mooney, on 06 February 2012 - 12:25 PM, said:

Thanks Pete,

I wasn't disputing what you said, I've seen the same (and similar) mailshots myself but their prices have "extras" such as multi-step plating, colour printing, delivery and 20% VAT - all of which makes quite a difference.

And they use a plant which I won't use anymore because of quality and service issues.

Best regards,

Paul

But if you (not you literally) were going to do a basic bootleg, white labels, with the vat it'd still only be £400 and if you sell those at £10 a time - well you can understand why there are so many on ebay.

[Paul Mooney]

Pete S, on 06 February 2012 - 12:31 PM, said:

But if you (not you literally) were going to do a basic bootleg, white labels, with the vat it'd still only be £400 and if you sell those at £10 a time - well you can understand why there are so many on ebay.

True,

Record deal 1 would be £353.00 plus £40.00 for colour upgrade plus £35.00 or more for shipping and then 20% VAT - bringing it to £513.60 but I agree that would be tempting for a bootlegger who also isn't concerned about quality etc.

Another advantage bootleggers have is that they can sell good quantities in clubs etc so they often get the full retail price rather than a £4.00 or £4.50 dealer price.

They don't need to sell many copies to cover their costs.

[Pete S]

love1scent, on 06 February 2012 - 01:30 AM, said:

Hello Everyone.....

Thanks for your support and feedback about the illegal vinyl recording of Gloria Jones tune "Gone with the wind is my Love" that was on sale at Ebay....Would not have known about it without your concern and feedback.......Yes, I have put in a lot of time, hustle, and monies to make and promote the CD album. and suddenly I have to deal with these illegal un-authorized copies of Gloria's Tune...and the stress of it all..But that is business, I guess...Somehow, all things will work together for good to those who are Believers, said the Apostle Paul.

Again, thanks for your support and concern. I will keep you posted concerning any future vinyl releases that are schedule....I am In the process of doing several radio phone interviews this month concerning the CD Album that is out there for sale.

Respectfully/GodBless,
LouBarreto, writer & producer.
www.kingdomcomeforever.com

Lou, as the owner of these recordings you can get these removed by ebay, I'm certain.

[love1scent]

Good news. Ebay has sent me an email on February 6 and they have officially removed the item from their website due to IP infringement......................we are still looking into the matter to find out who is behind this illegal activity.....Hopefully, there will be some answers this week.............Lou

[boba]

love1scent, on 08 February 2012 - 02:38 AM, said:

Good news. Ebay has sent me an email on February 6 and they have officially removed the item from their website due to IP infringement......................we are still looking into the matter to find out who is behind this illegal activity.....Hopefully, there will be some answers this week.............Lou

Good luck. I hope in the long run you finally get more exposure and return after you get legitimate 45s released. Thanks for rescuing these tracks!