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What Issue Is This, Johnny Sayles

Started by waterfall_manc Feb 06 2012 10:08 PM     Johnny Sayles
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   #1 waterfall_manc

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 10:08 PM



Thought it would be easier to just ask on here, know there's a few issues of this, i think this is 2nd issue, can anyone advise? any value too please? thanks in advance

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   #2 russoul1

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 10:10 PM

as it got an address round the bottom?
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Posted 06 February 2012 - 10:28 PM

no, no addess, if you click on the pic it should expand to show full label, thanks russ

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 11:32 PM

No address ? Then that's the bootleg issue !
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Posted 06 February 2012 - 11:48 PM

View PostDave Rimmer, on 06 February 2012 - 11:32 PM, said:

No address ? Then that's the bootleg issue !
I know it's been discussed before. But I seriously doubt that the no-address-press is a bootleg. It looks just too good for a pressing (e.g. sharp print definition, two colour print on label). Does anyone know did the bootleg and when?

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 12:37 AM

View PostBenji, on 06 February 2012 - 11:48 PM, said:

I know it's been discussed before. But I seriously doubt that the no-address-press is a bootleg. It looks just too good for a pressing (e.g. sharp print definition, two colour print on label). Does anyone know did the bootleg and when?

It is an boot from the early 70's Benji, although i agree it looks fabulous!
Same with the Mamie Galore's, they all look great too!

btw I have a Johnny Sayles boot without the address ready for the bay this week!

Cheers
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Edited by Steve Plumb, 07 February 2012 - 12:38 AM.

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 01:26 AM

View PostBenji, on 06 February 2012 - 11:48 PM, said:

I know it's been discussed before. But I seriously doubt that the no-address-press is a bootleg. It looks just too good for a pressing (e.g. sharp print definition, two colour print on label). Does anyone know did the bootleg and when?
:hatsoff2: Hi All must say I agree with you, as the Butch Baker that was booted about the same time is completely different to the Johnny Sayles as the only differences are very small in comparison, in fact if I remember correctly the Johnny Sayles issue & Demo come from a different pressing plant altogether, as I have never seen a White Demo of it, only the same label and the same color, unlike Mamie Galore demos which are blue & white with skyline or white with St Lawrence on, as there are so many variations, I could only state that I am 100% that the Butch Baker that has off centre vocal is wrong for sure?
I for one, would like to find out more about this record? it may have been done by the same person who did "my loves a monster on CHI-TOWN but that's just me guessing :g: DAVE

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 02:02 PM

thanks for all the info, my best bet ius ebay then i guess? thanks all

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 04:30 PM

View PostSteve Plumb, on 07 February 2012 - 12:37 AM, said:

It is an boot from the early 70's Benji, although i agree it looks fabulous!
Same with the Mamie Galore's, they all look great too!
Cheers
Steve

Hi Steve
What about this copy of Mamie Galore I have for sale can you tell me if it's a boot or an original as I am now not sure, but it does have the address at the top of the record !
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Posted 07 February 2012 - 04:34 PM

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 04:35 PM

View PostSteve Plumb, on 07 February 2012 - 12:37 AM, said:

It is an boot from the early 70's Benji, although i agree it looks fabulous!
Same with the Mamie Galore's, they all look great too!

btw I have a Johnny Sayles boot without the address ready for the bay this week!

Cheers
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Posted 07 February 2012 - 04:36 PM

View PostPete S, on 07 February 2012 - 04:35 PM, said:

Mamie Galore was never booted Steve.

That answers my question then Pete - Cheers !

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 04:47 PM

View Postwaterfall_manc, on 06 February 2012 - 10:08 PM, said:

Thought it would be easier to just ask on here, know there's a few issues of this, i think this is 2nd issue, can anyone advise? any value too please? thanks in advance

I reckon this was Re-pressed for the Nothern scene and the one
in the first picture is one of those.

I remember people used to say that if St Lawrence records didnt
have the pink link across the middle they were re-presses.

Although the original in JM's book has no pink line either
and he states "distributed by chess" around the bottom is
the way to tell an original from the repress which
does not have this.

Kegsy

Edited by Kegsy, 07 February 2012 - 04:55 PM.

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 01:00 AM

View PostKegsy, on 07 February 2012 - 04:47 PM, said:

I reckon this was Re-pressed for the Nothern scene and the one
in the first picture is one of those.

I remember people used to say that if St Lawrence records didnt
have the pink link across the middle they were re-presses.

Although the original in JM's book has no pink line either
and he states "distributed by chess" around the bottom is
the way to tell an original from the repress which
does not have this.

Kegsy

Hi Kegsy
This was my view on it too!
I've always looked but have never been able to find a copy with the 'dist by chess' or 'address' round the bottom, so presumed all the others were pressed for the northern scene back in the day and that the true original was in fact very hard to find?
Is this not correct?
Anyone got a scan of one with the 'dist' or 'address' round the bottom?
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Posted 08 February 2012 - 07:51 AM

View PostSteve Plumb, on 08 February 2012 - 01:00 AM, said:

Hi Kegsy
This was my view on it too!
I've always looked but have never been able to find a copy with the 'dist by chess' or 'address' round the bottom, so presumed all the others were pressed for the northern scene back in the day and that the true original was in fact very hard to find?
Is this not correct?
Anyone got a scan of one with the 'dist' or 'address' round the bottom?
Cheers
Steve

Here is a promo and an issue of the original release with "distribution/address" at the bottom:

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 08:51 AM

the second time I ever got burned on a bootleg was the vinyl press of timothy wilson on sky disc. it looks BETTER than the original. Probably plays better than the styrene original too. Still not worth the $150 I had to pay though.

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 11:27 AM

View PostSebastian, on 08 February 2012 - 07:51 AM, said:

Here is a promo and an issue of the original release with "distribution/address" at the bottom:

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Hi Seb

Sorry for the confusion, we were talking about Mamie Galore?

Have you got a scan of Mamie Galore with the 'Dist by Chess' round the bottom?

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 11:59 PM

I read it as we were talking about Johnny Sayles still??
In any case, I don't remember seeing a Mamie Galore with the address around the rim of the label, only in a straight line under the name.
If it did exist it would probably be in black print (like on the Monk Higgins) rather than the darker pink print of the Johnny Sayles, Vontastics etc.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 05:05 AM

:hatsoff2: Hi All I have just had a good look at some of my CHICARGO records including the CHESS group of labels, and although I don't pretend to be an expert at all, the only difference I can tell is the Johnny Sayles record with the words distributed by ..... 7 the DJ copies are manufactured by CHESS, and the one without are still CHESS printed labels, so you could argue that the DEMO & the distributed words on the label are 2nd pressings otherwise it would read MFG, BY CHESS PRODUCING CORP.
If you see my point, also the wax is similar to smaller CHICARGO LABELS??? :g: DAVE





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