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Where and who played Al Wilson - The snake first

This theme came up on Saturday night after saying this would be banned at the arms on sept 25 , just out of curiosity, anyone have a clue

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Where and who played Al Wilson - The snake first

This theme came up on Saturday night after saying this would be banned at the arms on sept 25 , just out of curiosity, anyone have a clue

This may or may not help.

When I were a lad.... we used to play a game at school to pass the boring time in lessons (while they explained the same things to the dumb kids for the tenth time) where we'd draw scenes or situations using stick figures to represent song titles, a little like playing hangman, where you'd get guesses to try solve it.

One lad was very knowledgeable due to older siblings and access to a better youth club, and I learnt a lot of songs that we'd now call northern from him. I'm pretty sure one of these drawing was The Snake ( others I remember were "While You're Out Looking For Sugar" & Sheppherd Sisters "Dont Mention My Name")

I was only in the same class as this lad from autumn 1968 to summer 1969 (I date it by knowing it was the start of the skinhead era in our area) so that gives you an idea of date. It's a safe gamble that it became a known and imported record as either a newish release or not long after, and would predate the "official " northern scene by several years, but of course the embryonic youth scene of that era, which for most of us grew into northern, was already well established, having grown from the mod influences of scooters and black music.

(p.s. I think Al got released in 1968, and the Honey Cone 45 in late '68 or early 1969 but somebody else will put that info on I'm sure. The mass importing of black music 45's as a business didnt happen until a few years after did it? I wonder where the dj's of the day got their tunes from ?)

hth

purist

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The Snake got a legit UK issue on the two tone blue Liberty label at the same time as it's US release in 68. I know for a fact that Mike Raven played it on the radio, but that may have been a year/18 months later.

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The infamous Al Wilson disc was first played at The Wheel about 1969 and was later revived at Wigan in MR M,s about 1974 (which is when i first heard it--not at Wigan---but on a Sunday afternoon on radio1/2 by D.L.T when people had to pick there favorite disco records and it was picked by some girl from Manchester---the rest is (unfortunately) history.

Best

Tony Coleby

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i heard it in mr Ms in 74 as top cat mentions , also regardless of its unpopularity these days i think a lot of folks today would be gob smacked at the reaction it used to get when played out in Ms it was just like frank willson was twenty years ago ............ and to be honist if i had to pick between them now i would pick the snake lol laugh.gif

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I first heard it at Wigan Rugby club. before the Casino started, spun by Russ but it was one of many records released here in the late sixties that was accepted by the Mod Northerners and the fledgeling Northern Soul scene.

By the mid seventies it was regarded as a bit naff as the search for more obscure USA releases had taken over and the "Northern Soul scene" was brought into being.

Similar records of the same ilk are Tightrope - Inez and Charlie Foxx and Bobby Sheen Dr Love, all massive at youth clubs prior to the establishment of a real Northern Soul scene and therefore regarded as "old hat" or common, by most Northern Soul fans.

Although one mans well worn out oldie is anothers lesser known forgotten gem. Its all a question of opinion and no one has a monopoly on them smile.gif

though many try :lol:

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The story of the snake is based on an old red indian tale , I first heard it at the Casino and it gets played to death at scooter rallies .

I think its a great northern soul record does that make me a bod person rolleyes.gif

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The snake , a must have for any mobile disco in the 70s,

A record they played every time when someone asks for northern/motown .

I don't know what it was like in your area but around stives /Huntingdon that's what most played along side such gems as The flasher and skiing in the snow :rolleyes: . Got to hate them so much .

I started selling pressings to some of the discos booked for the st ives road shows .Worked for a while until people started asking for them again .

 

gibber

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i heard it in mr Ms in 74 as top cat mentions , also regardless of its unpopularity these days i think a lot of folks today would be gob smacked at the reaction it used to get when played out in Ms it was just like frank willson was twenty years ago ............ and to be honist if i had to pick between them now i would pick the snake lol laugh.gif

I noticed you are from Southport. The Snake was my favourite record played at St Maries Youthclub in Bath Street North in 1971 when I was 13.

Paul

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The story of the snake is based on an old red indian tale , I first heard it at the Casino and it gets played to death at scooter rallies .

I think its a great northern soul record does that make me a bod person rolleyes.gif

Not a bod person, but possibly a pod person. laugh.gif

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boxing.gif I am sure it was played at Stevenage MECCA in 69 as every one was looking for "now I know what love is" at the end of 1970 and as the old Wheelites will tell you both records were played when they were released?..But Glen Bellamy states he cant remember playing the later in the 6ts, I still rate the B side of the Snake "who could be lovin you" and the B side of Brenton Wood, and 1 more for luck the classic B side to the Steams Na Na Na Na? all cheap but all classics and a must for your collections?DAVE KIL>post-13241-12497731943743_thumb.jpg

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Heard of it bit never actually heard it...Get Out and Sheila Anthony came out on Route...And The Flasher!! Anymore out there!? :thumbsup:

"Get Out" now that was a good record and yes it was on Route I remember it,thinking bloody hell what a long intro" Just hung up my telephone I've heard all about you"

Does that ever get played nowadays??

Grant

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"Get Out" now that was a good record and yes it was on Route I remember it,thinking bloody hell what a long intro" Just hung up my telephone I've heard all about you"

Does that ever get played nowadays??

Grant

Hi Grant,

You should get out more, yes it does get played :(

Phil

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I noticed you are from Southport. The Snake was my favourite record played at St Maries Youthclub in Bath Street North in 1971 when I was 13.

Paul

nah sorry paul am not a sand grounder born n bread wiganer mate!!!! used to walk up chapal lane from poolstock to the casino every week off and on for about five years in the good old days before it turned in to a circus

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nah sorry paul am not a sand grounder born n bread wiganer mate!!!! used to walk up chapal lane from poolstock to the casino every week off and on for about five years in the good old days before it turned in to a circus

Still might have know each other. Did you know eamon ashall, Simon Rimmer, Any of the girls from Shevington like Anne Rogers, Janet or Gill. Billy Mac, Terry Hastings etc. I also used to knock about with Pete Simpson from Southport amongst others. Lived in Burscough in those days.

Paul

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Heard of it bit never actually heard it...Get Out and Sheila Anthony came out on Route...And The Flasher!! Anymore out there!? :(

I taped "The Snake" at Mr Ms in 74....It is amazing what we were dancin to back then, remember "I'm Shaft" - it packed the floor every time! It's difficult explaining to people today that this was the music of that time - this was northern soul - this was what we danced to - this was what we enjoyed and went back for time and time again......

Dave

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Still might have know each other. Did you know eamon ashall, Simon Rimmer, Any of the girls from Shevington like Anne Rogers, Janet or Gill. Billy Mac, Terry Hastings etc. I also used to knock about with Pete Simpson from Southport amongst others. Lived in Burscough in those days.

Paul

yes paul i knew all of them mate and had many adventures with eamon & simon, i was the chief mug who fronted up in all the chemists shops simon did the latin . southport back then was our favouret place for scripts , we came away with all kinds o gear used to do the friday night n saterday at the casino then sunday blackbeat at bolton then off to the ritz manchester until 11.30 , last train home them was the days eh? lol

yes janet all the girls ..........billy's girfriend used to catch the same bus home as me after the club nights during the week. i used to walk with her on the way home and somtimes after the nighter she claimed the gear did things to her she had no control over her feelings lol all i can say is it started to take longer and longer to get home lol ..............terry hastings lol what i bizarre sight he was in the morning at the casino just as the night was drawing to an end he would apear dressed in his football kitt complete with boots . i said where you going terry ? he replied to a f....n football match idiot!! then gob a big load of bombers and shoot off in to the daylight ...ah well them was the days !!!! ............ do you rimember dereck wainright wainy ?

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Alan Millington used to play it in Mr M's...and a lot of people who disparage it on various forums were dancing to it :yes:  I saw ya'll so don't deny it

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On 09/08/2009 at 00:54, grantdyche said:

Anybody remember the Kevin "King" Lear version,Came out on Route I think?

 

Grant

I have it on an emidisc that I acquired from somewhere, play it at scooter rallies, bit moddier than Al Wilson with the Hammond organ,still shite though lol.

 

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Nobody likes change but change is inevitable. Thank god , when you look back  at some of the crap that was played ,still suppose it was right at the time . the DNA of northern soul  , lordy ! lordy !🎶🎶👎.  Oh dear 

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On 8/7/2009 at 13:17, geeselad said:

Where and who played Al Wilson - The snake first

 

 

This theme came up on Saturday night after saying this would be banned at the arms on sept 25 , just out of curiosity, anyone have a clue

A Wheel sound but did get played at Mecca/Torch/Cats at about 1972.

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49 minutes ago, Bruv said:

Amazing what you can find on ebay, mine's a large one.... :rofl:  :thumbsup:  :hatsoff2:  

northern_soul_al_wilson.jpg

Getting one of these,. Great T shirt! 

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1 hour ago, IanP said:

Getting one of these,. Great T shirt! 

The T-Shirt needs updating to read        Take Me In Oh TINDER Woman.  :thumbsup:

 

NO NO No PLEASE don't go there otherwise we will end up with

Tinder Loving Care, Try A Little Tinderness     ooops too late !

Edited by Kegsy

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A 45 with all the requirements,beat,vocal,step up,if that was played at the Wheel imagine how it would've been received.Of course it's not right for now but as with most things it must've been absolutely right at that time.Perspective is what's required,always a good leveller I find.Amazing how much stick it gets yet 50 years on folk were clammering for a copy of the soundalike 45 who's artists name escapes me,something about 'building a mountain'..what goes around i suppose?.

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23 hours ago, chas said:

A 45 with all the requirements,beat,vocal,step up,if that was played at the Wheel imagine how it would've been received.Of course it's not right for now but as with most things it must've been absolutely right at that time.Perspective is what's required,always a good leveller I find.Amazing how much stick it gets yet 50 years on folk were clammering for a copy of the soundalike 45 who's artists name escapes me,something about 'building a mountain'..what goes around i suppose?.

Jonathan Capree do you mean Chas, the Snake would take great pleasure in giving jon a nasty bite.... :rofl:  :hatsoff2:

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Posted (edited)

Strange  this topic is in freebasing. Surely if you're discussing where a record was first played it should be in IYB? As for the record itself  - it is what it is. One thing I really can't  fathom is the disdain that some quite ok records seem to  get - especially the whole issue of "the 500" etc, etc. The Snake isn't a bad record and anyone who says it is in my opinion has strange taste. I've heard far far worse. For example the dreadful "Can't Get Over These Memoris by Jon and the Wirdest. Sounds like a vey bad Four Seasons  outake. The equally bad Thats The Way by the  anonymous "the Q". I'm not surprised he's in hiding - I wouldn't enjoy putting my name to that particular ditty.     I suspect many of the Snake detractors have exactly the opposite opinion of these two sub-standard sounds.

 

Edited by maslar

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Posted (edited)
22 minutes ago, maslar said:

Strange  this topic is in freebasing. Surely if you're discussing where a record was first played it should be in IYB? As for the record itself  - it is what it is. One thing I really can't  fathom is the disdain that some quite ok records seem to  get - especially the whole issue of "the 500" etc, etc. 

 

nah nothing strange, it was moved to freebasing when members took the topic down the route of jokes and offtopic images

 

Edited by mike

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1 hour ago, maslar said:

Strange  this topic is in freebasing. Surely if you're discussing where a record was first played it should be in IYB? As for the record itself  - it is what it is. One thing I really can't  fathom is the disdain that some quite ok records seem to  get - especially the whole issue of "the 500" etc, etc. The Snake isn't a bad record and anyone who says it is in my opinion has strange taste. I've heard far far worse. For example the dreadful "Can't Get Over These Memoris by Jon and the Wirdest. Sounds like a vey bad Four Seasons  outake. The equally bad Thats The Way by the  anonymous "the Q". I'm not surprised he's in hiding - I wouldn't enjoy putting my name to that particular ditty.     I suspect many of the Snake detractors have exactly the opposite opinion of these two sub-standard sounds.

 

There is no accounting for people's taste, Some people obviously hear and see things different to others, The Snake to me is a pop sound with a touch of soul and would be suited to a cabaret spot in Las Vegas on the other hand to my ears "Jon and the weirdest Can't get over these memories "is a full on haunting trance like number and like its B side No Time is what NS as it as evolved are timeless tunes and to my ears bear no resemblance at all to a bad" four seasons number , "a while ago on here somebody said the same thing about "JD Bryant I won't be coming back," which I found surprising  to me it' is and will always be a timeless fantastic tune, This to me simply means some NS listeners are into music a great deal more than others and there is a wide gap at times between NS lovers of music it's called diversity but I am glad at what I like in all kinds of music,

Kind Regards

 Mick Lyons

 

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Posted (edited)

If only the "Silly woman" had left our beloved legless reptile where it was we might never have had this Dad Dancin' classic.

The Problem with the Snake is more what it represents than the track itself,  ie the cheesy 'Can you play some Norven Soul M8?' Wedding disco type track for all the Dad dancing pi55 heads to show us their Northern Soul moves. Doubtless the same Wedding night Jock would Just play Bill Haley for a Rock & Roll request or Status Quo for a Rock Music request.

Pretty much every genre of music will have it's Stereo type track, sadly our's is the above...... But that's hardly Mr Wilsons Fault. 

 

 

Edited by Zed1

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It has a reputation for being a divvy shit record for many reasons - one of them probably being that if you asked for any "northern" in an old disco this would invariably be slapped on the decks.

However, love it or hate it, there can be no denying the fact that it is a tremendous dance track. 

Pete 

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