Keithw Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 (edited) https://cgi.ebay.co.u...=item3ca778c13e I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE CARVERS DONE BUT THIS IS GOING TOO FAR WHAT DO WE THINK Edited November 24, 2009 by keithw Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest welshruss Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Unfortunately Keith they will sell..............sometimes...........and thats the problem.Having said that - £16.99 ouch ! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Morris Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Keith Their username looks familiar and so does the label name - northernsoulsource. Thought they'd been put out of business. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Ollie Lailey Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 (edited) If you really want this Jazzman has just re-issued it, and you get the flip side, all legit for half the price! Edited November 24, 2009 by Ollie Lailey Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest GFAS03 Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 disgraceful in my opinion, but I guess there's a market or they wouldn't do it... I have to say though, I really don't get the attraction - if I just want the track, it's on CD somewhere, if I want the record, the joy is in getting an original, surely? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Diggin' Dave Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 disgraceful in my opinion, but I guess there's a market or they wouldn't do it... I have to say though, I really don't get the attraction - if I just want the track, it's on CD somewhere, if I want the record, the joy is in getting an original, surely? My thoughts exactly. I can't imagine waiting at the doorstep and the thrill of opening the package when it's just a carver. And with those you can't really brag about your collection (admit it, it's one of the greatest things about collecting) To conclude I'd say those kind of buyers deserve those kind of records... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest MissHongkongfuey Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Aren't these the same people we all reported to Ebay several weeks ago??? If so many have done so, why doesn't ebay take this seriously?? Teresa Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sheldonsoul Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 someone posted these up a few weeks ago, think alot of us reported the seller to e bay Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mak Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 someone posted these up a few weeks ago, think alot of us reported the seller to e bay Shocking , what is needed here is even more of us reporting her Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 If you really want this Jazzman has just re-issued it, and you get the flip side, all legit for half the price! who did jazzman license "speed up" from? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest bazabod_downunder Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Unfortunately these will keep turning up as more & more freeloaders get on the bandwagon...I've reported a few of thm to ebay with a 'thank you' reply promising an investigation into this practice, then nothing, ebay are making money out of it in listing fees & so on....do they really care, do they fuck. KTF Baz https://cgi.ebay.co.u...=item3ca778c13e I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE CARVERS DONE BUT THIS IS GOING TOO FAR WHAT DO WE THINK Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
grant Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 If you really want this Jazzman has just re-issued it, and you get the flip side, all legit for half the price! and isnt it already available on a legit re-issue - soul city or summat? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Ollie Lailey Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Sorry Boba, no idea I just saw the advert banner on here. I think they have also put out the Ivories in the same series. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Benji Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 - Boots are getting sold here on Soul Source, hardly anyone is against that. - Most Northern Soul dealers in the UK and Europe stock boots, hardly anyone is against that. Yet you guys say it's immoral to sell boots/carvers on Ebay? Stop being hypocritical! If you guys really object to bootlegs getting sold as much as you say you do, get things going: 1) ban selling boots on Soul Source 2) report every dealer that sells illegal reissues to the authorities Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest brivinyl Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 - Boots are getting sold here on Soul Source, hardly anyone is against that. - Most Northern Soul dealers in the UK and Europe stock boots, hardly anyone is against that. Yet you guys say it's immoral to sell boots/carvers on Ebay? Stop being hypocritical! If you guys really object to bootlegs getting sold as much as you say you do, get things going: 1) ban selling boots on Soul Source 2) report every dealer that sells illegal reissues to the authorities Bootlegs also on sale at many venues. What makes me laugh are the venues who advertise playing original vinyl only and then allow sellers/dealers to stand selling bootlegs. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Parker Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 We put a complaint in with E Bay, but it does not seem to do any good ,sometimes if a genuine seller who makes a mistake in a listing, E Bay will take it off straight away, E Bay can be right idiots sometimes Debbie x Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 - Boots are getting sold here on Soul Source, hardly anyone is against that. - Most Northern Soul dealers in the UK and Europe stock boots, hardly anyone is against that. Yet you guys say it's immoral to sell boots/carvers on Ebay? Stop being hypocritical! If you guys really object to bootlegs getting sold as much as you say you do, get things going: 1) ban selling boots on Soul Source 2) report every dealer that sells illegal reissues to the authorities selling obvious boots is already "banned" be it carvers, dvds, cds or whatever x 4 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 selling obvious boots is already "banned" be it carvers, dvds, cds or whatever x 4 that's not strictly true now is it mike; or at least not enforced? in the sales section we have a list with the heading clearly stating that they are 'boots' - can't really be any more obvious than that Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 The people who buy these records are in a different world to OV collectors and long may it continue.While they are buying this tat ,it leaves the OV to the rest of us. I'm guessing these carvers are only going to make the seller a quick buck before the novelty wears off. Of course the buyers may be quite nice people,playing these records in darkened rooms with the door locked.Going round to play them at their mates,carrying them in umarked brown paper bags. Best try to ignore when they aren't passed off as originals. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 that's not strictly true now is it mike; or at least not enforced? in the sales section we have a list with the heading clearly stating that they are 'boots' - can't really be any more obvious than that dep-ends on what you are talking about havent looked but if you are on about boots from long gone then would argue the fact that any such classification and follow on "banning" of such is impossible and/or unworkable "obvious" is the key word here surely you do not expect anyone to go and research the legitimacy of 30+ year old "boots" Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 (edited) . Edited November 25, 2009 by ken Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 that's not strictly true now is it mike; or at least not enforced? in the sales section we have a list with the heading clearly stating that they are 'boots' - can't really be any more obvious than that you winding me up the only thread can see is this one you using that as a reason to say "not strictly true":lol: tell you what you go thru that list come back and point out every one which is illegal and can be proved such to a definte stand up standard when you done that then we take if from there as i said "obvious " is the key word Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 geezer flogging obvious modern day bootlegs on ebay and people rather talk/discuss about the morals of this site allowing the selling of 30+ year second hand dodgy 45s that chump must be laughing his arse off Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
theimposter1979 Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 The thing looks well cheap and nasty... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Carl Dixon Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Hello everybody - If I am not mistaken the DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act) could come into play here and enforce Ebay to remove recordings where a copyright has been infringed, if contacted by the owner of the recorded work. It would seem that these people have no regard for copyright and the knock on effect of what they are doing. There are a number of authorities who may be interested in monitoring this activity in the UK. For example : antipiracy@bpi.co.uk info@ifpi.org Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 (edited) you winding me up the only thread can see is this one you using that as a reason to say "not strictly true":lol: tell you what you go thru that list come back and point out every one which is illegal and can be proved such to a definte stand up standard when you done that then we take if from there as i said "obvious " is the key word Probably one of mine which says "Reissues, 2nd issues, pressings, boots, call them what you will". I've got no qualms whatsoever about selling bootlegs from the heydey of NS, neither have the people who buy them. back in 1976-78 it was all that a lot of people could afford and the only way to get the records. That might be the case even more nowadays with some originals being hundreds even thousands of pounds, anyone getting in a tizzy about someone selling these type of things needs to get a life. And if anyone thinks I'm going to go through 200 of these items and try to find out which ones were legitmitely repressed 35 years ago is having a laugh. Edited November 27, 2009 by Pete S Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Probably one of mine which says "Reissues, 2nd issues, pressings, boots, call them what you will". I've got no qualms whatsoever about selling bootlegs from the heydey of NS, neither have the people who buy them. back in 1976-78 it was all that a lot of people could afford and the only way to get the records. That might be the case even more nowadays with some originals being hundreds even thousands of pounds, anyone getting in a tizzy about someone selling these type of things needs to get a life. its ridiculous people getting confused with record collecting terms and real life if talking about fresh modern day bootlegs then yep by all means bring it up, draw attention to them, it is something that is illegal and a crime but come on banging on about 20-30 year old second hand 45s that may or may not have been bootlegs when first sold is ridiculous the crime was done at the time it was first sold the artist got shafted then, the buyer got wacked then and the bootlegger profited there and then 20 -30 years on surely no one can claim that by someone selling a 20/30 year old second hand possible bootleg 45 a crime is being done or repeated or indeed that this site should take action against people selling such if you do, then by all means post up just where you are coming from Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Amsterdam Russ Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 ...the DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act) could come into play here... Not quite. The DMCA is a piece of American legislation. As such it does not apply in the UK or Europe. Copyright laws across much of Europe are harmonised under the 'Copyright Directive', and in the UK this is applied under the 'Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988'. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Not quite. The DMCA is a piece of American legislation. As such it does not apply in the UK or Europe. Copyright laws across much of Europe are harmonised under the 'Copyright Directive', and in the UK this is applied under the 'Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988'. it comes into play for listings on US ebay Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Amsterdam Russ Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 (edited) Exactly - thanks for making it simpler and clearer than I could! Edited November 28, 2009 by rigilbert Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
soulpaul0 Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 https://cgi.ebay.co.u...=item3ca778c13e I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE CARVERS DONE BUT THIS IS GOING TOO FAR WHAT DO WE THINK just asked seller why they have not said its a boot/carver bet they don't reply or like it on there so more should do the same to show its not on. p.s its a cracking tune a top 5 of mine but won't buy that bit of sh*t and play it out. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest stevejan Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Bootlegs also on sale at many venues. What makes me laugh are the venues who advertise playing original vinyl only and then allow sellers/dealers to stand selling bootlegs. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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