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Ian categorically states he discovered it in 1973. Battle it out on Twitter!

Don Gardner was bought by me from John Anderson for £3, same night I secured an Andre Maurice - Cream Of The Crop - for 20 times the price. I remember it well as it was the very last time I visited John @ Soul Bowl.

I played Don Gardner at Cleethorpes many times, it never took off.. I traveled to the Ritz one Sunday with Neil Rushton from Cleethorpes, and played Don Gardner there too. The floor emptied, as Miracles - Love Machine & Tavares were rthe biggest tunes of the day.

Disheartened I sold several rare 60s tunes that afternoon Bernie williams to Colin Curtis, Inspirations, Don Gardner, Uptopias etc to Levine.

If you're talking about Larry Clinton, the first copy was found of a mantle piece in a handful of records in a house in Orlando, a guy called Joe Scott took me to.

The guy in the house was a pot-head and spent most of the time throwing a Kitten across the kitchen at cockroaches that would regularly appear from under his cooker. That copy, came back with me to 25 Baldocks Lane, MM were Soul Sam bought it. That copy I spent some time "lifting" the Jamie guyden logo off both labels, as Jamie Guyden was re-issueing arctic, phil la soul at the time, and Sam was twitchy about re-issues and bootlegging.

So if anyone out there owns Larry Clinton with the Jamie Guyden logo lifted off, then that was the first copy ever found. If anyone doubts these facts, I suggest they talk to Soul Sam, Neil Rushton or Shelvo who I think was ther with me when the deal with Levine was made, he said I was a fool to sell them. On reflection, I think he may have been right..

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Another thing we should remember is that a lot of records were found by collectors and passed onto 'name' dj's who then claimed them as their own; The Champion was always associated with John Vincent but was actually discovered by someone from Middlesboro I believe.

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Blimey i nearly forgot Bri 45 Phillips another Manc legend still got some of his old list they make great reading ha ha

Oh yes, the Detroit Executives, Pocorn Wylie and the Perigents as 30p cheapies on one of his lists! Those were the days........

Ian D biggrin.gif

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Don Gardner was bought by me from John Anderson for £3, same night I secured an Andre Maurice - Cream Of The Crop - for 20 times the price. I remember it well as it was the very last time I visited John @ Soul Bowl.

I played Don Gardner at Cleethorpes many times, it never took off.. I traveled to the Ritz one Sunday with Neil Rushton from Cleethorpes, and played Don Gardner there too. The floor emptied, as Miracles - Love Machine & Tavares were rthe biggest tunes of the day.

Disheartened I sold several rare 60s tunes that afternoon Bernie williams to Colin Curtis, Inspirations, Don Gardner, Uptopias etc to Levine.

If you're talking about Larry Clinton, the first copy was found of a mantle piece in a handful of records in a house in Orlando, a guy called Joe Scott took me to.

The guy in the house was a pot-head and spent most of the time throwing a Kitten across the kitchen at cockroaches that would regularly appear from under his cooker. That copy, came back with me to 25 Baldocks Lane, MM were Soul Sam bought it. That copy I spent some time "lifting" the Jamie guyden logo off both labels, as Jamie Guyden was re-issueing arctic, phil la soul at the time, and Sam was twitchy about re-issues and bootlegging.

So if anyone out there owns Larry Clinton with the Jamie Guyden logo lifted off, then that was the first copy ever found. If anyone doubts these facts, I suggest they talk to Soul Sam, Neil Rushton or Shelvo who I think was ther with me when the deal with Levine was made, he said I was a fool to sell them. On reflection, I think he may have been right..

Makes great reading John, thanks for sharing.

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Another thing we should remember is that a lot of records were found by collectors and passed onto 'name' dj's who then claimed them as their own; The Champion was always associated with John Vincent but was actually discovered by someone from Middlesboro I believe.

Dead right Pete. Bob Slater and Jack Wardle - swapped the EP for cash and a pile of emi discs.

Interesting Ian mentions 'Send Him Back' - Jack still insists he played it to Ian - who declined it then later turned up with a copy whistling.gif

Bob was also credited by Richard Seerling on the 'After Hours' cd with giving him the UK issue of Cajun Heart. I feel sure one or two of you on here will have a 45 with Bob's name on rolleyes.gif

Mike

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Pyramid was Tim Ashibende to Dave Thorley wasn't it?

It was in deed, same week as he sold me Guitar Ray

Here's a few more

Sam Dees-Lonley, came from Ady Pountain's shelves

Ringleaders-All of my life/Win you over, Empires-Your on top girl, Geno Washington-Rat race- John Anderson

Johnny Gilliam-Room full of tears-Gary Colbourne

MM & Peanuts-The Phillie, Purple Munday-Stop hurting me baby-Junk shop in Swindon

Bad Weather Inc-I never never knew-Found in a sweet soul collection in New York

Bobby Sheen-Something new-Pete Wid

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Memory not what it was, but here's a few more

Houston Outlaws-Ain't no telling, found it in Detroit

Classics-So glad I found you-Got it in a swap with Chris Plant

Jesse Henderson-I did it again-was sent to me by Chris Fletcher

Arthur Prysock-I was a boy-Goldmine ad

Larry Davis-I've been hurt-Given to me by Neil (Nogger)

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Dead right Pete. Bob Slater and Jack Wardle - swapped the EP for cash and a pile of emi discs.

Interesting Ian mentions 'Send Him Back' - Jack still insists he played it to Ian - who declined it then later turned up with a copy whistling

Bob was also credited by Richard Seerling on the 'After Hours' cd with giving him the UK issue of Cajun Heart. I feel sure one or two of you on here will have a 45 with Bob's name on :rolleyes:

Mike

Jack of course went onto have a career as a Whitby ticket distributor!

:wanker:

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Oh yes, the Detroit Executives, Pocorn Wylie and the Perigents as 30p cheapies on one of his lists! Those were the days........

Ian D :D

I wonder who the DJ was to initially play.......

It Really Hurts Me Girl, If That's What You Wanted, Seven Day Lover,Cashing In, Jodi Mathis, Eula Cooper,

Bill Brandon/Lorraine Johnson, Dushons, Admirations, Lee David, Lynn Randell, Susan Barrett, Tony Clarke, Gil Scott Heron, Eloise Laws, Anderson Brothers, Frankie Crocker?

Obviously some talent in discovering that little lot.

:mellow:

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Not me as far as I remember, maybe Ian Clark or Tony Rounce who worked there as well.

I do remember buying Jimmy Thomas on Parlophone from Ady at Cheapo along with an unknown Jerry Fuller-Double Life. It ought to have gone straight to Wigan, but somehow I sold it to Ian at the Mecca and surprisingly it went big.

You have to consider at the time, the Mecca's biggest tunes were things like Vicky Sue Robinson's Turn The Beat Around!

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I wonder who the DJ was to initially play.......

It Really Hurts Me Girl, If That's What You Wanted, Seven Day Lover,Cashing In, Jodi Mathis, Eula Cooper,

Bill Brandon/Lorraine Johnson, Dushons, Admirations, Lee David, Lynn Randell, Susan Barrett, Tony Clarke, Gil Scott Heron, Eloise Laws, Anderson Brothers, Frankie Crocker?

Obviously some talent in discovering that little lot.

:mellow:

He's conspicuous by his absence :laugh:

Super thread chaps, I know it's been done before BUT it's always a good 'un thumbsup.gif

Cheers

Steve

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Dead right Pete. Bob Slater and Jack Wardle - swapped the EP for cash and a pile of emi discs.

Interesting Ian mentions 'Send Him Back' - Jack still insists he played it to Ian - who declined it then later turned up with a copy whistling

Mike

Nope definitely not from Jack. I'd never heard the Pointer Sisters before Brad played it to me and even then I was unsure about it because the rhythm was weird compared to what else was happening at the time. Also I didn't think it could be that rare being on Atlantic and all. It was the Wardell Quezergue connection that made me eventually make that very, very difficult £2.50 decision LOL......

Also, it has to be said that I was never particularly over-keen on the record - too screechy for me by far but it just sort of took off from the first play......

Also another thing to remember is that there were a LOT of unplayed great records in collectors boxes at the time and that's where an awful lot of stuff came from. For instance I had a copy of Tobi Legend in '73 long before it took off @ Wigan. I can remember Snowy from Doncaster having the Steinways in his box for years before anyone knew it, the Kegsy Dean Parrish story is legend and my Carstairs came straight out of a collectors box! That was the beauty of the scene 'cos you just never knew what would turn up suddenly at any time.......

Ian D :D

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He who has been banned found Jimmy Raye for sure and Herbert Hunter I believe......

Ian D :D

That's him.Not a bad list from Golden101 either.Didn't know about Ian C and the Silhouettes:ohmy: .

Dave Rivers - Fuller Bros "Times a wasting"?

Esther Phillips - Just say goodbye...any claimers:wicked:

Skyliners - Everthing is fine....?....ditto

Johnny on the spot.....?

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He who has been banned found Jimmy Raye for sure and Herbert Hunter I believe......

Ian D :D

Was it not you Ian that found the Servicemen i need a helping hand on patheway ?? I still have your original copy with the labels on the wrong sides and your handwritten stickers over the top. Sold by you before you went to the states. Fantastic sound, ought to get a lot more play's me thinks. Tony, OZ. K.T.F.

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Who played Little Richard's Okeh recordings first? I remember in early 70's hearing them played at Up The Junction, Torch and Blackpool Mecca but cant recall where I heard them first wanker.gif

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Was it not you Ian that found the Servicemen i need a helping hand on patheway ?? I still have your original copy with the labels on the wrong sides and your handwritten stickers over the top. Sold by you before you went to the states. Fantastic sound, ought to get a lot more play's me thinks. Tony, OZ. K.T.F.

I wish. The arguement for the Servicemen probably boils down to Pep/Colin/Sam or some combination thereof LOL....

Sorry about the stickers by the way! I can't even remember having the Servicemen but I LOVE that yellow Patheway design.......

Ian D biggrin.gif

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The story behind this is Stevie Z and Neal Brown discovered this when they got back from the states Stevie showed it to me at Manc record fair and asked me had i ever seen it ( i had,nt ) few months later at the same record fair Neal Brown traded me his copy which i played out for around one and half years first time it got played was when i dj,d for Dickie Searling at the Ritz Rarest of the Rare niter Manchester , later on i sold it to Ray ( Ginger ) meanwhile myself n George Rouse had found out that Times Square Records had a couple o copies listed , when George went to New York they only had the one copy which made the two Steve n Neal had found turn to 3 in total George Rouse then traded it to me on his return for my Tomangoes gggrrrrrrr god i loved that 45 but it went to a good home and nice bloke !!! This copy was again kept by me for around 2 years before i let me good friend Simon Ingram have it in trade...

I good story on this 45 just after i sold Ginger mine i got the other copy of George Rouse and was DJ,IN at Winsford niter Ginger was following me on and my last 45 was the Jokers Ginger was going to start with his copy i had sold him the look on his face when i finished off with it and told him jokinly i had a boxful at home he he i told him i was jokin before he duffed me in ha ha

Regards Ian Cunliffe

xx

Many thanks for the extra information Ian.

I'm glad that my original post was reasonably accurate (though lacking in the fine detail).

Chris

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No Richard had it and I got it off him around 1980 when he started going more toward modern. He did it play it at wigan but it didn't really go down too well. Too fast as someone else said.

ROD

disagree......never too fast, and those drum roeles for spinning too were and still are tremendous

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Some other 'blue eyed sounds' that have always intrigued me as who played them first: I must stress I did dance to them all in 70ts.

Mike Post - Afternoon of the Rhino

Dusty Springfield - What's it Gonna Be

Guy Darrell - I've Been Hurt

Wayne Gibson - Under My Thumb

Shakers - One Wondeful Moment

Some good old soul sounds

Linda Jones - Just Can't Live My Life

Bobby Hutton - Lend a Hand

Lou Pride - I'm Comin Home in the Morning (I was at the Casino the first time John Vincent played it, but was he first?)

Gwen Owens - Just Say You're Wanted And Needed

Tomangoes - It Really Love You

Ann Sexton - You've been Gone Too Long

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Some other 'blue eyed sounds' that have always intrigued me as who played them first: I must stress I did dance to them all in 70ts.

Mike Post - Afternoon of the Rhino

Dusty Springfield - What's it Gonna Be

Guy Darrell - I've Been Hurt

Wayne Gibson - Under My Thumb

Shakers - One Wondeful Moment

Some good old soul sounds

Linda Jones - Just Can't Live My Life

Bobby Hutton - Lend a Hand

Lou Pride - I'm Comin Home in the Morning (I was at the Casino the first time John Vincent played it, but was he first?)

Gwen Owens - Just Say You're Wanted And Needed

Tomangoes - It Really Love You

Ann Sexton - You've been Gone Too Long

I would be very surprised if Levine wasn't credited with discovering Linda Jones and Ann Sexton, but you never know.

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Didn't know Pete had found Bobby Sheen! Top work Mr.Wid sir! thumbsup.gif

it was actually shay richardson who found it, he bought about a dozen green issues back from one of his stateside trips, pete took a few to sell for him, i lived 4 doors down the road from shay at the time, i think i got the first one off him

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That's him.Not a bad list from Golden101 either.Didn't know about Ian C and the Silhouettesohmy.gif .

Dave Rivers - Fuller Bros "Times a wasting"?

Esther Phillips - Just say goodbye...any claimerswicked.gif

Skyliners - Everthing is fine....?....ditto

Johnny on the spot.....?

Dave Burton not Dave Rivers had the second copy (or was it the first?) of Fullers, sold to Minsh at the Torch for about £60, I don't think Dave R would have had the first.

Pete Wid persuaded Roger Stewart to play Esther Philips down the 100 Club first and Ted Taylor on Okeh about the same time.

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frankie & johnny - i'll hold you.... mick smith to ady croasdells bin, to pete wid, to shay richardson, who played it covered up as billy vera & judy clay at yate

Mick's not having that one, he threw it away! i thought it went to Clarkie but you could well be right. In Mick's defence he did discover a little tune called Landslide

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Some good old soul sounds

Lou Pride - I'm Comin Home in the Morning (I was at the Casino the first time John Vincent played it, but was he first?)

No, I'm claiming that. Bought from Bob from Louth on a Thursday evening gig in Lincolnshire before anyone else found it (I think Bob got it from John Anderson anyway). Heard it over the cans first, knew it was a monster, then played it over the system and realised it was utterly irresistible so did a deal with him there and then (£8 rings a bell). I think I covered it up because I thought the title was ridiculous, so I over-stickered the first copy with "I'm Coming Home" as opposed to "I'm Com'un Home In The Morn'un" which was a bit of a mouthful and frankly daft pronounciation (I think I knocked £2.50 off the price because of the title)..........

Incidentally, that was the gig where I was driving back in the early hours of the morning over the fields of Lincolnshire with a guy called Kelly from Huddersfield and I came off the road straight into a wet muddy field and couldn't get the car out the field 'cos the wheels wouldn't grip the mud. So the two of us were stuck there covered in mud @ 2.00am in the middle of nowhere when some guy appeared out of the blue and between the three of us we got the car back on the road. I often wondered what the guy was doing in the middle of nowhere @ 2.00am on a Friday morning 'cos there were no towns, houses or pubs anywhere within a 10 mile radius. Just cows and mud. We ended up dropping him off 10 miles down the road but it was mud city all the way home......we were covered!

Worth it for Lou Pride though. A monster!

Ian D biggrin.gif

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No, I'm claiming that. Bought from Bob from Louth on a Thursday evening gig in Lincolnshire before anyone else found it (I think Bob got it from John Anderson anyway). Heard it over the cans first, knew it was a monster, then played it over the system and realised it was utterly irrestible so did a deal with him there and then (£8 rings a bell). I think I covered it up because I thought the title was ridiculous, so I over-stickered the first copy with "I'm Coming Home" as opposed to "I'm Com'un Home In The Morn'un" which was a bit of a mouthful and frankly daft pronounciation (I think I knocked £2.50 off the price because of the title)..........

Incidentally, that was the gig where I was driving back in the early hours of the morning over the fields of Lincolnshire with a guy called Kelly from Huddersfield and I came off the road straight into a wet muddy field and couldn't get the car out the field 'cos the wheels wouldn't grip the mud. So the two of us were stuck there covered in mud @ 2.00am in the middle of nowhere when some guy appeared out of the blue and between the three of us we got the car back on the road. I often wondered what the guy was doing in the middle of nowhere @ 2.00am on a Friday morning 'cos there were no towns, houses or pubs anywhere within a 10 mile radius. Just cows and mud. We ended up dropping him off 10 miles down the road but it was mud city all the way home......we were covered!

Worth it for Lou Pride though. A monster!

Ian D biggrin.gif

Think i would have been happy to be covered in mud to have discovered that one ian, my mate has a copy where the title has been ripped off, he told me it was how it was covered up, with a PLASTERohmy.gifohmy.gifohmy.gif

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Some other 'blue eyed sounds' that have always intrigued me as who played them first: I must stress I did dance to them all in 70ts.

Mike Post - Afternoon of the Rhino

Dusty Springfield - What's it Gonna Be

Guy Darrell - I've Been Hurt

Wayne Gibson - Under My Thumb

Shakers - One Wondeful Moment

Some good old soul sounds

Linda Jones - Just Can't Live My Life

Bobby Hutton - Lend a Hand

Lou Pride - I'm Comin Home in the Morning (I was at the Casino the first time John Vincent played it, but was he first?)

Gwen Owens - Just Say You're Wanted And Needed

Tomangoes - It Really Love You

Ann Sexton - You've been Gone Too Long

LOU PRIDE

Pretty certain that Rob Thomas was the first with this - l remember going to the 'Gables Country Club' near Mablethorpe, Lincs and Rob offered it to John Vincent on the night.

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