Winstanley's Disoveries?

[Pete S 15,557]

Re Love Music, suddenly everyone found out it was available on a 99p Philips budget album from your local newsagents so there were suddenly hundreds of copies of the LP in the record bar

[Davetay 369]

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whats the difference white pop soul or black rock and roll (the worse side of rnb i may add!)

sorry Russ is my hero in terms of most of the stuff he played at wigan and ive got to stick up for him

regards mark

champion of the underdog!!

Mark, I don't think anybody put up that in the 1st year alone the amount of LP tracks that Russ played.

eg Four Seasons "I'm gonna change"

Gladys Knight "Ain't no sun"

Marvelletts "Your love can save me"

Thelma Houston "I ain't going nowhere"

Mr Bloe "Land of a 1000 dances"

Mike Post "Afternoon of the rhino"

Outsiders "Lonely man"

Magnifent Men "Just walk in my shoes"

Danny Wagner "This thing called love"

Total Eclipes "6-0-Clock"

Al Wilson "Passport"

Excitiers "Movin too slow"

Watts 103rd st R. B. "The joker"

Just a few off top of my head,

Russ did play Yvonne Baker before Ian Levine but it was off a S.S. emidisc like Strings a-go-go (Double cookin), Footsie etc.

It was a few weeks later Ian got a real one, and not long after John Anderson got a few and most of the top DJs at the time had it.

Also we can't forget the many inst's via S.S. that hit the decks in 1974.

Russ did play some great stuff at Wigan, but also played some of the very worst, we all know what he's remembered for.

Dave.

Edited January 29, 2010 by davetay

[Eddie Hubbard 664]

When I first started going to Wigan , days after my 18th birthday in 1975 ,I thought for a couple of years Russ played some great sides , probably more responsible than anyone for Tobi Legend , which he pushed for ages before it finally took off , The Poppies " Pain in my heart " , Fidels " I'm giving you notice " , Paul Anka " Can't help loving you " which despite the colour of the Artists skin , is a great Northern side .Think he was one of the first with Bobby Diamond " Stop " wasn't he , though this was later on .Think Otis Blackwell was one of Russ's as well , though can't be sure .Russ used to played Sergio Mendes C/ U as Sue Hunt .Think Russ used to play Detroit Executives " Cool Off " and Keanya Collins " Love Bandit " as well ....Best,Eddie

[Steve G 7,125]

Ok, Ok already, two of you ganging up on me. I was wrong on that. But............

No No No, we're not ganging up on you Dave honestly. I am hardly Winstanley's biggest fan am I? But I will concede that he did play some good records. Just not enough of them

Steve

[Wiganer1 1,677]

Hi Mark,

The guy helped turn an 'Underground Soul scene' into a 'Pop phenomenon' and many Soul Music fans find that hard to appreciate.

Like getting the fox to look after the chickens, he was never a 'Soul Music' lover, by his own admission.

No great sin in that in itself, but the detrimental affect that had on the 'Soul' scene in the North took years to recover.

Fortunately, some of those who were attracted to the scene, ironically because of the 'publicity' generated at Wigan, stayed around long enough to experience and enjoy some real Soul Music.

Sean

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hi sean,,wouldnt disagree with you as i cant ,,i didnt start going til the end of an era,,,,some one must have enjoyed the tunes to keep it going for eight years!!

[Wiganer1 1,677]

Also we can't forget the many inst's via S.S. that hit the decks in 1774.

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blimey dave u re not THAT old are you?

[Davetay 369]

Also we can't forget the many inst's via S.S. that hit the decks in 1774.

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blimey dave u re not THAT old are you?

Note to myself read posts before posting.

No just 10 years older than you (same birthday)

[Dave Thorley 1,553]

I'm flogging a dead horse here He may have played a few nice tunes, he was rude the few times I tried to speak to him, and when Richard asked me to play there, he was like doctor death standing behind me at the decks. Only speak as I find.

Had many a great night at Wigan that will live with me forever, met some life long friends there, Pete Lawson, Guy, Dave Withers, Tim & Butch to name but a few. The venue over all was immense and I stood and wept next to Tim doing the same as they played the last record on the first last night.

[epic 262]

I'm flogging a dead horse here He may have played a few nice tunes, he was rude the few times I tried to speak to him, and when Richard asked me to play there, he was like doctor death standing behind me at the decks. Only speak as I find.

Had many a great night at Wigan that will live with me forever, met some life long friends there, Pete Lawson, Guy, Dave Withers, Tim & Butch to name but a few. The venue over all was immense and I stood and wept next to Tim doing the same as they played the last record on the first last night.

TBH Dave, Russ would never win a poularity contest on the Northern scene but to be fair it was him who instigated the all nighters in 1973 & he wasn't the only DJ to play "suspect" soul records.

A lot of DJs & promoters & CD compilers have made a "good living" out of Wigan Casino - not least all those who still "celebrate" what would have been Wigan Casino's (insert number between 9 & infinity!!) Anniversary

Edited January 29, 2010 by epic

[Guest]

Apart from FW, did Russ actually discover any real 'soul' records. Was Yvonne Baker down to him?

First time I heard "NEED A REPLACEMENT" - THE WINSTONS - CURTOM in Wigan Casino, Russ Winstanley played it!

Don't know why people knock him so much, as he was no worse, sometimes better, than the average Nighter DJ at the time!!

Edited January 29, 2010 by Guest

[Guest proudlove]

Don't know why people knock him so much, as he was no worse, sometimes better, than the average Nighter DJ at the time!!

What time are you talking about,because there were a lot better DJs about in the early seventies,yes niter DJs.................

[TOAD 1,354]

the crowd i went too wigan with Went not for Russ but searling and sam, the talk before and after was allways about what THEY PLAYED !

as for being rude he pushed a woman out of his way not long ago !

[Guest proudlove]

As for being rude he pushed a woman out of his way not long ago !

[grant 769]

As for being rude he pushed a woman out of his way not long ago !

That doesn't suprise me

[Rob Wigley 394]

Think this thread has been mis-named, all points taken in above-Love Music was a Russ biggie and probably a "Discovery" "along comes Mary" was another of his from the same time.

I think the thread should read records "Broken" by Russ-here's one-the most Wigan Pies eaten in one evening at the casino.....

Paul Anka is a Russ sound, but not discovered by him. The dance floor was/ always seemed busy early on as well.

But with the passage of time the records played by the other DJs Richard, Sam ,Gary, Pat & all especially in the last 2 years have in general, remained VERY sought after and have remained very hard to find. Where as Russ's you could probably still buy at around £5-£10 each

The Casino was a WEEKLY all-nighter and very unique I met some great people there and had some fantastic times and I must say without Russ it would not have happened.

And lets not forget Dean Parrish "I'm on my way" played at other places first-but forever a Casino sound!

Rob

ps when he played leon Thomas L-O-V-E I used to think it was called "Hello Vicky"

[Guest chris shaw]

Think this thread has been mis-named, all points taken in above-Love Music was a Russ biggie and probably a "Discovery" "along comes Mary" was another of his from the same time.

I think the thread should read records "Broken" by Russ-here's one-the most Wigan Pies eaten in one evening at the casino.....

Paul Anka is a Russ sound, but not discovered by him. The dance floor was/ always seemed busy early on as well.

But with the passage of time the records played by the other DJs Richard, Sam ,Gary, Pat & all especially in the last 2 years have in general, remained VERY sought after and have remained very hard to find. Where as Russ's you could probably still buy at around £5-£10 each

The Casino was a WEEKLY all-nighter and very unique I met some great people there and had some fantastic times and I must say without Russ it would not have happened.

And lets not forget Dean Parrish "I'm on my way" played at other places first-but forever a Casino sound!

Hello Vicky, ah yes i remember it well, i was going to say that rob!

Rob

ps when he played leon Thomas L-O-V-E I used to think it was called "Hello Vicky"

[grant 769]

was the big hurt - susan farrar not one of his too?

[Guest mickeyb]

I'm flogging a dead horse here He may have played a few nice tunes, he was rude the few times I tried to speak to him, and when Richard asked me to play there, he was like doctor death standing behind me at the decks. Only speak as I find.

Had many a great night at Wigan that will live with me forever, met some life long friends there, Pete Lawson, Guy, Dave Withers, Tim & Butch to name but a few. The venue over all was immense and I stood and wept next to Tim doing the same as they played the last record on the first last night.

I agree Dave - the few times I was anywhere near him he was rude to pretty much everybody. His knowledge wasn't really there either - gotta great story to tell you when I see you next (not for public consumption). On the other hand would we have had a WC without him?

To be honest, I'm not bothered about him one way or the other, his main crime (apart from the CD's in London fiasco) seems to be that he wasn't Dickie!

[Wiganer1 1,677]

was the big hurt - susan farrar not one of his too?

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dutch robinson - cant get along without you

[HARRY CROSBY 1,610]

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dutch robinson - cant get along without you

Was alsoi cathy saint-big bad world?

[HARRY CROSBY 1,610]

Think this thread has been mis-named, all points taken in above-Love Music was a Russ biggie and probably a "Discovery" "along comes Mary" was another of his from the same time.

I think the thread should read records "Broken" by Russ-here's one-the most Wigan Pies eaten in one evening at the casino.....

Paul Anka is a Russ sound, but not discovered by him. The dance floor was/ always seemed busy early on as well.

But with the passage of time the records played by the other DJs Richard, Sam ,Gary, Pat & all especially in the last 2 years have in general, remained VERY sought after and have remained very hard to find. Where as Russ's you could probably still buy at around £5-£10 each

The Casino was a WEEKLY all-nighter and very unique I met some great people there and had some fantastic times and I must say without Russ it would not have happened.

And lets not forget Dean Parrish "I'm on my way" played at other places first-but forever a Casino sound!

Rob

ps when he played leon Thomas L-O-V-E I used to think it was called "Hello Vicky"

And i spent many hours looking for TALK TO ME -SUE LYNN

[Guest]

And i spent many hours looking for TALK TO ME -SUE LYNN

When " Ain't That Right " was first played , I searched sales lists and boxes looking for a record by Bri Schofield

Malc Burton

[Rob Wigley 394]

Where's your reply Chris !! and on the subject of "misheard at the Casino"---I used to think Eddie Regan "Playing hide and seek"

was "Way out at sea" (play the game of love)

Rob

[Guest]

Where's your reply Chris !! and on the subject of "misheard at the Casino"---I used to think Eddie Regan "Playing hide and seek"

was "Way out at sea" (play the game of love)

Rob

In some circles , Shawn Robinson was retitled " Mt Dear Arse "

Malc Burton

[Sean Hampsey 1,209]

In some circles , Shawn Robinson was retitled " Mt Dear Arse "

Malc Burton

Still is Malc,

Bloody awful racket to my ears!

Hope you and your are well mate.

Sean

[doublecookin 4]

so if russ s discoveries were soussans,,,,were all searlings 78-81 stuff all john andersons!!!!!!!!

cant help but notice no one has attempted to comment on this, i wonder why/

[Guest]

cant help but notice no one has attempted to comment on this, i wonder why/

Richard did a lot of crating in the States when he worked for Global , which provided a considerable amount of his tunes - e.g. " Tainted Love " - well before his association with John Anderson .

Malc Burton

[Guest east rob]

was the big hurt - susan farrar not one of his too?

no, richard played it first. for about 3 weeks till i sold one to russ, who caned it to death!

searling was not a happpy bunny!

[Wiganer1 1,677]

"Broadway" was very popular at the time, I've got a proper studio acetate

but Dianne Ducane at at rare soul all-nighter is just wrong in so many ways... sorry mate..

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see i told you!

DIANE DUCANE

Title:

BETTER LATE THAN NEVER

Label:

CONTACT

Category:

Northern Soul - Soulful 70's, Crossover, Modern, Funk

Comments:GREAT 1979 CROSSOVER DANCER THAT'S ENJOYING A BIG RE-ACTIVATION & QUITE RIGHTLY SOGrade:M-£40.00

[Mark S 2,811]

One of Russ,s discoverys was that if you open a succesful alnighter and rattle on about it for the next 30 odd years you can make a good living

[Awake 502 52]

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Edited February 4, 2010 by Awake 502

[Awake 502 52]

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see i told you!

DIANE DUCANE

Title:

BETTER LATE THAN NEVER

Label:

CONTACT

Category:

Northern Soul - Soulful 70's, Crossover, Modern, Funk

Comments:GREAT 1979 CROSSOVER DANCER THAT'S ENJOYING A BIG RE-ACTIVATION & QUITE RIGHTLY SOGrade:M-£40.00

Doesn't make it a good record though.... Lucky Charms is still in demand and sells for a few quid, and it is just about the biggest pile of cack ever played at a nighter....

[Guest martyn]

Think this thread has been mis-named, all points taken in above-Love Music was a Russ biggie and probably a "Discovery" "along comes Mary" was another of his from the same time.

I think the thread should read records "Broken" by Russ-here's one-the most Wigan Pies eaten in one evening at the casino.....

Paul Anka is a Russ sound, but not discovered by him. The dance floor was/ always seemed busy early on as well.

But with the passage of time the records played by the other DJs Richard, Sam ,Gary, Pat & all especially in the last 2 years have in general, remained VERY sought after and have remained very hard to find. Where as Russ's you could probably still buy at around £5-£10 each

The Casino was a WEEKLY all-nighter and very unique I met some great people there and had some fantastic times and I must say without Russ it would not have happened.

And lets not forget Dean Parrish "I'm on my way" played at other places first-but forever a Casino sound!

Rob

ps when he played leon Thomas L-O-V-E I used to think it was called "Hello Vicky"

Don't think he can claim Along Comes Mary , was big for Ginger at St Ives well before it got played at The Casino ......I think it was Rug from Rushden that actually discovered it - could be wrong .

Wasn't it Russ who used to hammer Creative Source - Don't Be Afraid ? If it was I'd forgive him Joe 90

[Guest]

Don't think he can claim Along Comes Mary , was big for Ginger at St Ives well before it got played at The Casino ......I think it was Rug from Rushden that actually discovered it - could be wrong .

Wasn't it Russ who used to hammer Creative Source - Don't Be Afraid ? If it was I'd forgive him Joe 90

CS was played at The Mecca by IL , well before Dustbin played it at WC .

Malc Burton

[Guest martyn]

CS was played at The Mecca by IL , well before Dustbin played it at WC .

Malc Burton

Thought it too good to be true............How about Posse - Evil

[TOAD 1,354]

edwin starr happy radio

[Jerry Hipkiss 218]

Don't think he can claim Along Comes Mary , was big for Ginger at St Ives well before it got played at The Casino

Proper Ives monster - covered up as Mike Post "Feelings"! Was a bit embarrassed when I found out who it really was!

[Guest]

Proper Ives monster - covered up as Mike Post "Feelings"! Was a bit embarrassed when I found out who it really was!

Julius Wechter - leader of The Baha Marimba Band - was bollocked in the US , because of TBMB appearing on stage dressed in sombreros and old clothes , sporting fake mustaches , smoking cigars and drinking beer , as doing so degraded the Mexican people .

Malc Burton

Edited February 5, 2010 by Malc Burton

[Steve G 7,125]

Thought it too good to be true............How about Posse - Evil

Yes think that was Russ, and it was probably ahead of it's time as a record.

Fact remains though relative to his position at a weekly venue, top spot, scene in it's heyday, the level of quality discoveries is poor.

[Guest martyn]

Proper Ives monster - covered up as Mike Post "Feelings"! Was a bit embarrassed when I found out who it really was!

If I remember rightly John Vincent was playing it as well .The first time I heard it was at 'The Rock' in Rushden in the summer of 77 before a St Ives nighter - Rug played it ,Had assumed that he passed it on to either Ginger or John .I didn't hear it at wigan till latter in the year ................I was also a bit miffed when it got uncovered , still , good at the time

Deffo not RWs anyway

[Guest martyn]

Yes think that was Russ, and it was probably ahead of it's time as a record.

Fact remains though relative to his position at a weekly venue, top spot, scene in it's heyday, the level of quality discoveries is poor.

I agree , the level of his actual discoveries was poor ,but more importantly the few good discoveries of his seemed to get lost in the dross , as half the main hall made their way to Ms when he came on for his second spot .Myself included .

[Wiganer1 1,677]

must be just one lucky guy then i guess.....

im glad i heard the tunes he did play and can say 90% of them em are decent and some even fantastic....

but obviously in the minority but hey cest la vie!

[grant 769]

remember russ playing the brilliant Roger K a lot, but doubt he discovered it~?

[Wiganer1 1,677]

tommy bush was his which is really popular again...

[Steve G 7,125]

tommy bush was his which is really popular again...

This is a serious comment, but I have got a feeling he is related somehow to George Bush.

[Jerry Hipkiss 218]

Didn't RS have it covered up as John Mandera?

Close...John Madara " Play the Game of love"...

[Guest rovers]

And i spent many hours looking for TALK TO ME -SUE LYNN

While you were looking for talk to me - Sue Lynn i was looking for dont hit me Sue Lynn lol,till Dave malone told me its proper title.

[Guest mickeyb]

Close...John Madara " Play the Game of love"...

My brain must be addled. I always thought this was a St Ives tune not a Wigan one - Sam? Whatever, I thought it wa crap anyway.

[Guest theoriginator56]

royal blues orchestra be young be foolish be happy.thats one of his. first heard him spin it 77.

horn cut of the tams hit with girly backing.

[Jerry Hipkiss 218]

My brain must be addled. I always thought this was a St Ives tune not a Wigan one - Sam? Whatever, I thought it wa crap anyway.

No Michael, you're not senile yet - played everywhere but like you it always reminds me of Ives