NEV Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 If your asking to define "a ultimate crossover sound" then i choose this RAY HINES-"WHY DONT YOU GIVE ME A TRY"RHN - Thats not to say it's the best ........impossible to give just one cos it changes all the time...but this thread could end up like an extension of the xover thread if we not careful Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Brett F Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 F.J. JONES - Gone and Found Another - P.S. , arguably my all time favourite record ( plain yellow cut, not multi- coloured alt take) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Parker Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Hold back the night - The Trampps Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 (edited) Agree with loads of previous posts.But how about.. TY KARIM - LIGHTEN UP BABY TOWANA & DESTRUCTION - WEAR YOUR NATURAL BABY. Edited March 25, 2010 by KevH Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Demotron Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 For me it's possibly King George: I Need You (Audio Arts) and NO, I don't own a copy. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kev Cane Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Put this up for my soulmate,too me along with the flip sums it up perfectly,pleased i got mine as the price will rocket on this eventually!! It is perfection. BERNARD SMITH - NEVER GONNA LET YOU GO - SPECTRUM 7" - BAZ A Rather Awesome Kev Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Demotron Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 I was always under the impression that Willie Wright's version pre-dated the Back To The World cut by quite a few years. It's only a theory but I wonder if Curtis Mayfield didn't specifically write the song for him: Willie Wright was a blind artist, after all. Finally getting to see a copy of the 45 was instructive too, featuring a Boston address and an incorrect telephone number with the area code scratched out and corrected in biro. I wonder if all of the pitifully few copies which survive are like this. Whatever genre it's classed in this is one of the greatest soul records of all to me. Reading this was a complete surprise to me. Hard to believe that it would be this way around. What year was the Willie Wright released? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Reg Scott Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 (edited) I was always under the impression that Willie Wright's version pre-dated the Back To The World cut by quite a few years. It's only a theory but I wonder if Curtis Mayfield didn't specifically write the song for him: Willie Wright was a blind artist, after all. Finally getting to see a copy of the 45 was instructive too, featuring a Boston address and an incorrect telephone number with the area code scratched out and corrected in biro. I wonder if all of the pitifully few copies which survive are like this. Whatever genre it's classed in this is one of the greatest soul records of all to me. You're spot on that Willie Wright recorded the tune before the release of Curtis's 'Back To The World' album. The Hotel recordings I believe were recorded/released in 1971 'Lack Of Education' and 1977 'Telling The Truth'. As you rightly say, it's a C. Mayfield penned tune and is featured on the 'Lack Of Education' album predating 'Back To The World' by 2 years. It would be more accurate of me to say that it's the best ever cover of Curtis Mayfield's 'Right On For The Darkness' which is featured on the 'Back To The World' album. But I have no idea when the Hotel 45 of 'Right On For The Darkness' was released /recorded and, though I've heard the 45 version, I don't know if the album cut is the same version? Anyway up, it's a tremendous and truly rare gem - interestingly only books at £150!! BTW It is entirely plausible, and interesting theory, that Curtis had Willie in mind or even wrote it for him. I've included an image from the only recorded popsike sale, which shows the details and marks you describe. Regards, Greg. Edited March 25, 2010 by ClearVinyl Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Garethx Posted March 25, 2010 Author Share Posted March 25, 2010 (edited) edit. Edited August 13, 2012 by garethx Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cunnie Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 F.J. JONES - Gone and Found Another - P.S. , arguably my all time favourite record ( plain yellow cut, not multi- coloured alt take) Knew that would be your choice Brett but how about this? One of the few records we both actually own & on the right label too ( UK Pama). Would also include it in my 'most Soulful' chart if I was ever put on the spot to do something that daft. WILLIE FISHER - PUT YOUR LOVIN' ON ME - TIGRESS - Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest WR67 Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Grumpyfella Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Tough call between Robert Tanner or Psychadelic Frankie......... Gonna go for Psychadelic Frankie - Putting you out of my life Cheers Phil 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest JIM BARRY Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 bobby womack.......tried & convicted richard caiton ... i see love girl in your eyes stoppers .... come back baby Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
gazman Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 I don't think I could ever answer this question definitively, so based purely on the fact that every time I hear it i smile - Towana - Wear you natural baby. gary Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mak Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 For me it's these THE PERFECTIONS - GIRL YOU BETTER HURRY 21st GENERATIONS - HEY JAMES Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Reg Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 We've had many threads on the definitions and semantics of the term. We have the fantastic media thread on the subject which continues to entertain and inform. I thought I'd start a thread for people to nominate one record which they view as the ultimate embodiment of the genre. I appreciate that these generic definitions are problematic and maybe unnecessary but hopefully this thread will give those who wonder what all the fuss is about an insight as to why fans of these records are so passionate about them. It would be great if contributors could limit themselves to ONE record: that which is in their eyes the ultimate example of the term. I'll start the ball rolling and nominate RICHARD CAITON "I'D LIKE TO GET NEAR YOU" on UP TIGHT I'll write a bit about exactly why I think it's the ultimate Crossover record a bit later, but I'm already looking forward to others' choices and am eager to see what, if any, consensus emerges. There are no wrong answers. Aw that was my choice! Okay I'll choose another one......Willie Tee - First taste of Hurt Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Oldsoulman Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Loads to pick from . Jesse Fisher - Honey , Carmelita - both sides , Freddie Terrell - You Had It Made , Paul Thompson - Special Kind Of Woman, Wilson Love - Funny Money, but I think James Phelps - The Look On Your Face takes some beating Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
cenco Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 ernie johnson-i cant stand the pain-artco,,gotta be up there with the best Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Eddie Hubbard Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Still can't bring down to just one, Chuck Cockerham would have to be up there and on the slower side Johnny Gilliam - Room full of tears I love the Johnny Gilliam , just perfect , those strings , and brilliant vocals ......Best,Eddie Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Thorley Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 I love the Johnny Gilliam , just perfect , those strings , and brilliant vocals ......Best,Eddie HI Eddie It is one is one of those records where they got close to perfection. Hope all is well with you mate, are we gonna see you at the Stafford thingy. Best Dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Thorley Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 HI Eddie It is one is one of those records where they got close to perfection. Hope all is well with you mate, are we gonna see you at the Stafford thingy. Best Dave JOHNNY GILLIAM - Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Eddie Hubbard Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 HI Eddie It is one is one of those records where they got close to perfection. Hope all is well with you mate, are we gonna see you at the Stafford thingy. Best Dave Hi Dave ,I sadly can't make it , wish I was going though , that venue kept me sane during the 80's .Johnny Gilliam has the word Stafford running through it like a stick of rock IMO...hope to see you both soon ,cheers ,Eddie Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Diddy Morgan Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 brenda jones ..... big mistake .....crossover magic Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sjclement Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 (edited) [quote name='diddy morgan' date='25 Mar 2010 - 06:46 PM' brenda jones ..... big mistake .....crossover magic Edited March 25, 2010 by sjclement Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Diddy Morgan Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Love That!!!!! WALES WALLACE - WE'RE NOT HAPPY - BASHIE - Love This Too!! thats a quality tune also , not surprising when you read the who the writers and producers are!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest spudmurphy Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 couldnt even click my fingers to that diddy let alone dance to it Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Louise Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 I'll throw a few in: Soul Maditations Someone To Hold Me Ovide Ron Harrington It Happened To Me Again Hillside Harry Moon Woman's Man Sin/Jengers The Fantastic's Where's There's A Will etc Impressario Eddie Campbell Contagious Love Artco Dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Knew that would be your choice Brett but how about this? One of the few records we both actually own & on the right label too ( UK Pama). Would also include it in my 'most Soulful' chart if I was ever put on the spot to do something that daft. Shocking record - sounds like a third rate Al Jarreau 'Moonlighting'. p.s. shouldn't that be UK Jama? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cunnie Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Shocking record - sounds like a third rate Al Jarreau 'Moonlighting'. p.s. shouldn't that be UK Jama? Just booked you in at the local Hillsborough docs to get the old ears syringed Joe. Right about it being on Jama though. Don't know where Pama came from. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris Anderton Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Carl Hall-What about you-Columbia George Perkins-I`m so glad your mine-Royal Shield Chris 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Just booked you in at the local Hillsborough docs to get the old ears syringed Joe. No thanks Mart, if I have to listen to muck like this, then I'd rather my ears were bunged up. Any more Moonlighting Soundalikes to suggest? I'll give you a starter for ten - "Touching In The Dark" by the usually magnificent Walter Jackson. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Lfcjunkie Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 We've had many threads on the definitions and semantics of the term. We have the fantastic media thread on the subject which continues to entertain and inform. I thought I'd start a thread for people to nominate one record which they view as the ultimate embodiment of the genre. I appreciate that these generic definitions are problematic and maybe unnecessary but hopefully this thread will give those who wonder what all the fuss is about an insight as to why fans of these records are so passionate about them. It would be great if contributors could limit themselves to ONE record: that which is in their eyes the ultimate example of the term. I'll start the ball rolling and nominate RICHARD CAITON "I'D LIKE TO GET NEAR YOU" on UP TIGHT I'll write a bit about exactly why I think it's the ultimate Crossover record a bit later, but I'm already looking forward to others' choices and am eager to see what, if any, consensus emerges. There are no wrong answers. can't name a actual fave but all great tunes getting named on here but I'll throw in GEORGE PERKINS "I'M SO GLAD YOUR'E MINE" under rated if you ask me but a tune that got me into crossover soul many moons ago especially when goldmine brought out the crossover cd withis and JUSTICE DEPT "COME BACK BABY"on it both explain to the unlearned what this brand of soul music is about Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Darks Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Surely, Jean Wells "What have got to lose" There again Sonny Til "Tears and misery" or Garland Green "Just my way of loving you" maybe Ike Lovely "fools hall of fame" Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Lovemusic Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Paul Burton-So Very Hard To Make It or Sebastian Williams-Get Your Point Over. I first heard Dean play Sebastian Williams at Parkers early doors (the best time for the best tunes) and asking him about it a while later he was adamant he'd played the flip instead! I replied that as i danced to it i knew better! He couldn't argue with that logic. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Wrongcrowd Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 For me it's possibly King George: I Need You (Audio Arts) and NO, I don't own a copy. I agree with you (yeah I know I've already voted for Robert Tanner), but ssshhhh.... it's over played apparently .... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jumpinjoan Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 I agree with you (yeah I know I've already voted for Robert Tanner), but ssshhhh.... it's over played apparently .... Overplayed and everyone's got one Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 SAN FRANCISCAN TKO'S - MAKE UP YOUR MIND - KENT ANNIVERSARY SPECIAL - Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Swifty Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Does Robert Parker - 'I Caught You in a Lie count ' as I,m still not sure what classes as crossover ? Swifty Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
MarkWhiteley Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Nathan Williams - What Price or Bobby Wilburn - Im A Dreamer Cant quite decide which M. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
MarkWhiteley Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Wouldnt this be some night if everything mentioned on here were played Nice plush venue, Hampsey, Tats, Thorley, Fenn, Ripoles etc Any promoters up for it..................................?? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest biggray1 Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Florecent Smogg. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest just mo Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 i'd have to choose TOMMY TATE - I CAN'T DO ENOUGH FOR YOU BABY Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 These are just a few I rate as ultimate crossover..... Connie Laverne - Can't live without you baby Ella Woods - I need your love Bobby Reed - The time is right for love Almetta Latimore - These memories Volumes - Same old feeling Kenny Wells - Isn't it a shame Bobby Cline - Say something nice to me Bobby Taylor - Don't be afraid Garland Green - Jealous kind of fellow JB xxxKTFxxx Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Little-stevie Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 (edited) Still can't bring down to just one, Chuck Cockerham would have to be up there and on the slower side Johnny Gilliam - Room full of tears Johnny Gilliam Can't really see many things above that tune, loved it since mid 80s and still do today, really wished i had bought it for £20 all that time ago.. Tuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuune..... That man Thorley got taste.... Will have a think of my own and get back on this..... Edited March 25, 2010 by little-stevie Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
arnie j Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 SAN FRANCISCAN TKO'S - MAKE UP YOUR MIND - KENT ANNIVERSARY SPECIAL - very very good call ken ! fookin amazing tune jason Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Skegsoul Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Wouldnt this be some night if everything mentioned on here were played Nice plush venue, Hampsey, Tats, Thorley, Fenn, Ripoles etc Any promoters up for it..................................?? Great idea mark, would be heaven for a nighter to play some great records all night. If you look at how many folks get into the few venues that play class music, put the right dj's on, at a nighter,in a centrel location i would like to think it could work. If nothing else there would be plenty of space on the dance floor,cos as we know no one dances to cross- over do they Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
macca Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Great educative thread chaps. Nobody's mentioned Barbara Acklin Am I Still The Same Girl? I'm no expert on this genre, quite a 'pagan' in fact, but listening to some of the sound files you're posting, I reckon it would fall into the Crossover category. A lot of Tyrone Davis's tunes as well. Is it because they're ten a penny and therefore not so desirable? Someone mentioned Ty Karim 'Lighten Up Baby'. I thought that was more your typical 'Northern' tune. Enlighten me por favor... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve Edgar Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Does Robert Parker - 'I Caught You in a Lie count ' as I,m still not sure what classes as crossover ? Swifty Does for me mate! My take on "Crossover" is the same as "Northern", it comes from all directions "If it's good, and it fits...then it's in!" all good ingredients, just a different flavour! I'd class... Gino Washington's "I'll Be Around" Martha's "My Baby Needs Me" Joe Tex's "Old Time Lover" Louis Curry "Toast To you" ..as crossover myself? (one man's meat and all that!) been so many top choices! picking a fav for me will always change, mainly coz I aint heard 'em all yet! Philharmonics "I Need I Need Your Love" and.. Hesitations "Is This A Way To treat A Girl" will always be up there somewhere for me steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 (edited) Stevens & Foster - I want to be loved. Edited March 25, 2010 by KevH Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jaco Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Whilst we're making a case for "ultimate" x-over how's about: C Coulter - "I can't fight the feeling" William Cummings - "Make my love a hurting thing" Coco & Ben - "Good feeling" To me these are what I consider to be what the definition encompasses, but I might be wrong!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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