First Showing Of The Movie "soulboy"

[Pete S]

https://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6774241/

film revue here

[Guest]

https://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6774241/

film revue here

Malc

[Wiggyflat]

Malc

live soulsource conversations here https://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6782851

[Tony A]

Here's a novel idea..........DON'T F**KIN' GO THEN!!!!

[Anton L]

one of my all time fave films is Quadrophenia, though I'm of an age where I couldn't have enjoyed the underground mod scene of the early 60's before every body became a mod or a greebo,

However last year I had the pleasure of spending a night with two Peterborough guys who were in their early 60's and were "where it's at" in 1964.

When I asked them if Quadrophenia was a true reflection of that era, both said NO together "for starters we used to get beat up by the rockers quite a lot and you'd never carry 'phets' around on your head"

My point is that the film may be a very entertaining insight into a subject and era that millions are aware of but never had the privelige of clapping at the precise moment with 1500 others during The Jades I'm where it's at.

I hope the film makes a fortune for those that have invested in it..

I remember some of the older lads discussing, during the mod revival, whether or not they would go along to Brighton as extras for some film, or whether it would be sacrilege, about 1978 out came Quadrophenia at 14 years old we loved it, we didn't give a toss if it was historically correct or not, it just gave alot of kids all over the country a look to dress towards, not that they cared if they got it completely right, loads of these kids just wanted an excuse to finish with punk and/or get themselves down to various seaside resorts and trash them. As the mod revival continued these kids gained more and more knowledge, their clothes sometimes were 100% more authentic, their scooters more individual, and music tastes turned to the real sounds the mods of the 60ts would listen to.

Some of the kids became young men and learned to hate Quadrophenia, meant to be filmed around 64, MMMmmm... how many intercity 125 trains would have gone past Jimmy's shed in the 60ts? How many Vespa P range scooters would have driven to Brighton in 64 when that model didn't come out till the 76/77

My point. Soul Boy is based on, stylized on, an era and a place, At our age we really shouldn't concern ourselves with how wrong or right they've got it, We have our memories of years on a scene that feels so good to us, indelible images of venues, journeys and people and most of all music, no film will change or contaminate that. Go along see the film smile at the mistakes and with adult intelligence you may even work out they could never re-create a building that no longer exists. without a massive budget, and feel flattered they chose your scene to write about.

Edited July 11, 2010 by Anton L

[ImberBoy]

I remember some of the older lads discussing, during the mod revival, whether or not they would go along to Brighton as extras for some film, or whether it would be sacrilege, about 1978 out came Quadrophenia at 14 years old we loved it, we didn't give a toss if it was historically correct or not, it just gave alot of kids all over the country a look to dress towards, not that they cared if they got it completely right, loads of these kids just wanted an excuse to finish with punk and/or get themselves down to various seaside resorts and trash them. As the mod revival continued these kids gained more and more knowledge, their clothes sometimes were 100% more authentic, their scooters more individual, and music tastes turned to the real sounds the mods of the 60ts would listen to.

Some of the kids became young men and learned to hate Quadrophenia, meant to be filmed around 64, MMMmmm... how many intercity 125 trains would have gone past Jimmy's shed in the 60ts? How many Vespa P range scooters would have driven to Brighton in 64 when that model didn't come out till the 76/77

My point. Soul Boy is based on, stylized on, an era and a place, At our age we really shouldn't concern ourselves with how wrong or right they've got it, We have our memories of years on a scene that feels so good to us, indelible images of venues, journeys and people and most of all music, no film will change or contaminate that. Go along see the film smile at the mistakes and with adult intelligence you may even work out they could never re-create a building that no longer exists. without a massive budget, and feel flattered they chose your scene to write about.

Anton I know what you are saying and there are many truths to what you have said but there are additional factors that should be considered if using Quadrophenia as a comparison.

The Who made the film as a direct and respectful thank you to the fans that had supported them, there where always going to be some research problems such as the Intercity 125's and the other handful of well known blibs associated with the film but this is not the point.

The Who involved them selves from start to finish on the film in order to capture the spirit knowing and respecting that if they got it wrong they would never have been forgiven.

Franc Roddam was aware right from the offset that this was not going to be a BBC type costume drama bur he also understood that he had to capture the correct attitude and spirit and this was done by doing his home work so that we had a film worthy of our thoughts all of these years later and worthy of the affection from a generation.

Big shoes to fill.

Mistakes are some times inevitable but there is a difference between mistakes and missing the point, some times the point can be so subtle that it's almost impossible to explain yet it can hit you like a train.

The mistakes on Quadrophenia are just errors, the make little to no impact on the story or impact.

Quadrophenia FIlm Mistakes In the end of the film when Phil Daniels is about to run over a cliff with his scooter, in the first shot there is a windshield on the scooter. In the second the windshield is gone. In the third the windshield is back again.

Routemaster buses have the late 1970s white London Transport logo, not the gold lettering they should have for the mid 1960s when the film is set.

There is a view from Phil Daniels window where a High Speed Train (first operated in about 1975) goes past - the film is set in mid 1960s.

The police in the riot scenes have got hair hanging well over their collars - they are supposed to be POLICE in the mid 1960s whereas in fact they are a mob of scruffy layabout 1970s extras.

Early in the film they go to a scrap yard to see a friend to buy drugs - the cars in that scrap yard are models that were new or not even launched in 1964. One car springs to mind the Austin/Morris 1100 that features in quite a few of the shots; although it may have found its way to a scrap yard following an accident the one in the shot has clearly aged - the model was only launched in 1962! (Mind you, it was a notorious rust bucket!)

The bikes are all wrong. Rockers at that time went in for the 'Cafe Racer' style with clip-on handle bars, rear set footrests, bum stops etc. The bikes in the shots en route to Brighton had high bars; five years too early.

Although some helmets were seen in a cafe it was a characteristic of Rockers to wear helmets. As they 'evolved' into self-styled 'Hells Angels' a few years later many idiots abandoned helmets.

source: Movie Mistakes

[Wiggyflat]

Been here before but..........Tom Petchs' My Generation scoot is on the seafront scene...a GP with a trick lattice paint job with My Generation down the panels...GPs brought out in 69. My Generation came out in 65.....nobody had trick paint jobs in 64. The film was set in 64. On the hilltop scene you can see a vespa rally and a cutdown with a lad with a grey greatcoat. Not 64 wear.Bearded mod on a seafront scene with flares as well. Jimmy is dancing to My Generation in a party scene.......and in the same party scene there's an lp that didn't come out until a few years later.........anybody spot The Jam on a parka?

Edited July 12, 2010 by wiggyflat

[Phild]

Am I missing something? Thought this was a thread about a movie "based" on the Northern Soul scene?

What on earth has Quadrophenia got to do with the Northern Soul scene? About as much as that other Who movie Tommy I'd have thought.

Phil

[Guest rasfoz]

The usual promoter of the Kings Hall ALL-NIGHTER is KEV ROBERTS, but i've got a fuuny feeling the AUGUST ALL-NIGHTER is not one KEV'S and maybe have something to do with a ex Casino DJ.

Well better there than a shopping center hey

[ImberBoy]

Am I missing something? Thought this was a thread about a movie "based" on the Northern Soul scene?

What on earth has Quadrophenia got to do with the Northern Soul scene? About as much as that other Who movie Tommy I'd have thought.

Phil

Hi Phil, do you really need this explaining?

[Phild]

Hi Phil, do you really need this explaining?

Suppose I do.

Soulboy. whether it's good, bad or indifferent is a movie based around the Northern Soul scene. Quadrophenia isn't..

I know that some folk on the scene came out of the mod revival of the late 70's / early 80's (which scene Quadrophenia was aimed at I think). Some folk used to be into rock & roll, punk, heavy rock or indie. But none of these scenes or fads has anything to do with the Northern Soul scene. I know that due to a higher number of people being on the scene who were originally mod revivalists than say heavy rock fans, then links are made. But the Northern Soul scene is about the music you are or were into. The Who, The Jam, Madness, Secret Affair, The Kinks, Small Faces et al may be many things but Northern Soul They ain't. No more so than Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, The Sex Pistols, Boyzone, Lou Reed or Dolly Parton are Northern Soul either. As different as all the aforementioned may be they can be collectively lumped together as NOT Northern Soul. And, don't even get me started on Weller! What he's got to do with Northern I'll nebver fathom out

Nothing against Quadrophenia or any of the aforementioned "artists", but I don't see for the life in me what any of it, including Quadrophenia, has to do with Northern Soul.

Just my opinion anyway.

Phil

[Little-stevie]

Hi Phil, do you really need this explaining?

maybe it does but not on this thread i guess...

Soulboy topic is enough to keep us going for the next 5 years at least....

The anoraks can get all moist soon and tell us the mistakes in the film.... Can't wait

Much didvide view points on this film, nothing new there , same as divided viewpoints on many other topics.... All the fun of the fair....

[Anton L]

I think the point has been missed, maybe if I had used another film that is depicting an era, cult and feeling. No film will ever really get it right, Northern Soul has and does mean so much to all that have been touched by it, but the joy of it is that we all have such individual views on it, how could you possibly put what we have experienced in to film ( some of those experiences would be banned instantly!!). If it didn't come out, how many people would be saying 'When they gonna bring a film out about the scene?' Let it come, if it has the effect on the Northern scene that Quadrophenea had on the Mod scene, then let it come, our scene will survive, so why worry or mither? I would sooner put my energy in to worrying how I am going to pay for my next vinyl purchase!!