Mrtag Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 WHICH WAS THE FIRST RELEASE OF THIS SINGLE; IF THATS WHAT YOU WANTED-FRANK BEVERLY & THE BUTLERS, WAS IT SASSY OR GAMBLE?? THANKS JOHN Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Moore Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 Sassy. If you check the Sassy issue it rightly credits Billy Jackson as the writer whereas the later Gamble issue credits........err Mr Gamble. Regards, Dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mrtag Posted July 26, 2010 Author Share Posted July 26, 2010 Sassy. If you check the Sassy issue it rightly credits Billy Jackson as the writer whereas the later Gamble issue credits........err Mr Gamble. Regards, Dave CHEERS DAVE!! ANOTHER ONE DROPPED BY YOURS TRULY HAD BOTH IN EVERY FORMAT AND YOU CAN GUESS WHICH WAS SAVED DOH!! THANKS AGAIN ATB JOHN Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tony A Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 CHEERS DAVE!! ANOTHER ONE DROPPED BY YOURS TRULY HAD BOTH IN EVERY FORMAT AND YOU CAN GUESS WHICH WAS SAVED DOH!! THANKS AGAIN ATB JOHN Quite a big thread on this, Look at your box, Sharp end of vinyl, makes good reading, Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 Quite a big thread on this, Look at your box, Sharp end of vinyl, makes good reading, >>> <<< Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tony A Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 >>> <<< Cheers again Roger someday I will learn. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Neil Rushton Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 The record was made and owned by Billy Jackson's company "Black & White Music". Billy owned the Sassy label and pressed up "If That's What You Wanted" on Sassy. He did not distribute many copies because Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff heard it early doors, and did a deal with Billy to licence the record to come out on their Gamble label,. Part of the arrangement was that he did not spoil their sales by selling his Sassy copies. God bless him he did not throw them away - so when I visted him in his apartment in New York in 1978 (?) there were 800 plus copies there still in the original boxes from the manufacturers, and he sold them all to me. What I do not understand is why he pressed some copies with "This Is Just A B Side" on the flip and some with "Love (Your Pain Goes Deep)". I probably asked him at the time but cannot remember. The Gamble copies are harder to get than the Sassy ones aren't they? And Billy originally cut "If That's What You Wanted" in doo-wop style on another artist. Neil Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
dthedrug Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 The record was made and owned by Billy Jackson's company "Black & White Music". Billy owned the Sassy label and pressed up "If That's What You Wanted" on Sassy. He did not distribute many copies because Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff heard it early doors, and did a deal with Billy to licence the record to come out on their Gamble label,. Part of the arrangement was that he did not spoil their sales by selling his Sassy copies. God bless him he did not throw them away - so when I visted him in his apartment in New York in 1978 (?) there were 800 plus copies there still in the original boxes from the manufacturers, and he sold them all to me. What I do not understand is why he pressed some copies with "This Is Just A B Side" on the flip and some with "Love (Your Pain Goes Deep)". I probably asked him at the time but cannot remember. The Gamble copies are harder to get than the Sassy ones aren't they? And Billy originally cut "If That's What You Wanted" in doo-wop style on another artist. Neil HI ALL!..NICE ONE NEIL..THEMS WOZ THE DAZE! I GOT MY 1st SASSY FROM "THE SCOTCHMAN" JOHN ANDERSON, IN 75 FOR £3.50, ALWAYS POPULAR PRE - WIGAN AND ON WARDS, THIS TO ME TYPIFIES THE WOLVES/STOKE/CREWE STOMPING NORTHERN SOUL SOUND, AND I AIN'T BOTHERD THAT TO-DAY THAT MY ONLY COPY IS ON OUT OF THE PAST, YOUR COMMENTS PUT IT ALL IN PERSPECTIVE AS BEING RARER! HOWEVER NOT AS RARE AS THE GAMBLE ISSUE AND THE MOST WANTED GAMBLE DEMO!! AM I CORRECT IN THINKING THERE WAS A SASSY DEMO?..AND FOR THE RECORD (NO PUN) THE PUREST SOUL COLLECTOR WOULD GIVE YOU NOTHING FOR THE LIBERTY BELL BOOT, AND THE OOTP COPY LIKE ALL THE RELEASES APPEALS TO COLLECTORS OF UK LABELS! WE OWE CHRIS BURTON FOR THE RUN OF GREAT RECORDS THAT WAS, OUT OF THE PAST. YOUR OTHER POINT NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED AS IT HAS BUGGED ME SINCE LATE 77/8.TRY AND REMEMBER CHUM!!!PLEASE. DAVE KIL (WOLVES THATS NORTH OF WAT FORD) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Prophonics 2029 Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 (edited) The Italiano Gamble must be quiet rare then so what happened to the Gamble deal then. TIA Edited July 26, 2010 by Prophonics 2029 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
dthedrug Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 (edited) The Italiano Gamble must be quiet rare then so what happened to the Gamble deal then. TIA NICE ONE! WHAT IS THE GOING RATE OF ALL ISSUES AND DEMOS? INCLUDING BOOTS AND PRESSINGS ALSO A DEFINITIVE LIST OF RARITIES:ph34r: DAVE (THANKS FOR PUTTING UP PHOTO) KIL Edited July 30, 2010 by dthedrug Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mrtag Posted November 12, 2010 Author Share Posted November 12, 2010 The record was made and owned by Billy Jackson's company "Black & White Music". Billy owned the Sassy label and pressed up "If That's What You Wanted" on Sassy. He did not distribute many copies because Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff heard it early doors, and did a deal with Billy to licence the record to come out on their Gamble label,. Part of the arrangement was that he did not spoil their sales by selling his Sassy copies. God bless him he did not throw them away - so when I visted him in his apartment in New York in 1978 (?) there were 800 plus copies there still in the original boxes from the manufacturers, and he sold them all to me. What I do not understand is why he pressed some copies with "This Is Just A B Side" on the flip and some with "Love (Your Pain Goes Deep)". I probably asked him at the time but cannot remember. The Gamble copies are harder to get than the Sassy ones aren't they? And Billy originally cut "If That's What You Wanted" in doo-wop style on another artist. Neil Thanks Neil, So Keeping The Gamble One Wasn't Such A Bad Move eh ?? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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