Guest Gogs Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 I know that some label differences come about due to different pressing plants being used, but these are normally minor changes i.e label colour text and/or font differences. but this is completely different any idea why. First scan courtesy of JM's website. i know that original was issued on the Red Sands label but think mine looks better. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dave Turner Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 (edited) I know that some label differences come about due to different pressing plants being used, but these are normally minor changes i.e label colour text and/or font differences. but this is completely different any idea why. First scan courtesy of JM's website. i know that original was issued on the Red Sands label but think mine looks better. Great record, not so sure Red Sands is the original press though. Dave Rimmer has the following -- Botanic 1001 - Shanty Town / Please Open Up The Door - 1970 Red Sands 701 - You're Blessing / Your A Blessing - 1971 (Promo Issue Only) Red Sands 701 - You're Blessing / Please Open Up The Door - 1971 Red Sands 701 - You're Blessing / Nobody Knows - 1971 "Nobody Knows" on Red Sands is also "Open Up The Door" from what I've seen and heard, whether or not it's a label error not sure. Little Charles and the Sidewinders - Please Open Up The Door Edited October 18, 2010 by Dave Turner Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Gogs Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Great record, not so sure Red Sands is the original press though. Dave Rimmer has the following -- Botanic 1001 - Shanty Town / Please Open Up The Door - 1970 Red Sands 701 - You're Blessing / Your A Blessing - 1971 (Promo Issue Only) Red Sands 701 - You're Blessing / Please Open Up The Door - 1971 Red Sands 701 - You're Blessing / Nobody Knows - 1971 "Nobody Knows" on Red Sands is also "Open Up The Door" from what I've seen and heard, whether or not it's a label error not sure. Thanks arkwright Just checked the sound clip of "nobody knows" on JM's site and it does play "please open up the door" has he attached the wrong clip? can anybody else comfirm these are the same record as "nobody knows" is credited to Jimmy Norman while "poutd" is credited to Jerry Williams ??? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dave Turner Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 (edited) Thanks arkwright Just checked the sound clip of "nobody knows" on JM's site and it does play "please open up the door" has he attached the wrong clip? can anybody else comfirm these are the same record as "nobody knows" is credited to Jimmy Norman while "poutd" is credited to Jerry Williams ??? Pretty sure it isn't a wrong clip but an actual clip of "Nobody Knows" as it's stated on the label. Have heard other clips of "Nobody Knows" being POUTD such as ---- https://www.youtube.c...h?v=MOMDuHVayLg I've never heard the actual track "Nobody Knows". Does it exist ? Edited October 18, 2010 by Dave Turner Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve Edgar Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Thanks arkwright Just checked the sound clip of "nobody knows" on JM's site and it does play "please open up the door" has he attached the wrong clip? can anybody else comfirm these are the same record as "nobody knows" is credited to Jimmy Norman while "poutd" is credited to Jerry Williams ??? As Dave said, both Red Sands "Nobody Know's" and Botanic "Please Open Up The Door" are indeed the same. agree with the difference in writers, and you have Teacho Wiltshire credited on Botanic, and Bert DeCoteaux credited on Red sands?? both renowned and respected arrangers! What a cracking track "You're Blessing" is! steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve Edgar Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Pretty sure it isn't a wrong clip but an actual clip of "Nobody Knows" as it's stated on the label. Have heard other clips of "Nobody Knows" being POUTD such as ---- https://www.youtube.c...h?v=MOMDuHVayLg I've never heard the actual track "Nobody Knows". Does it exist ? hi Dave, wonder if they just got the wrong master when they pressed up the Red Sands disc??? steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dave Turner Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 (edited) As Dave said, both Red Sands "Nobody Know's" and Botanic "Please Open Up The Door" are indeed the same. agree with the difference in writers, and you have Teacho Wiltshire credited on Botanic, and Bert DeCoteaux credited on Red sands?? both renowned and respected arrangers! What a cracking track "You're Blessing" is! steve Hi Steve, looking around the net looking for clips and forgot about tea in the oven, looks a bit black now Hope she gives me a jolly good thrashing when she gets in Yeah, I think the same re masters possibly getting mixed up Edited October 18, 2010 by Dave Turner Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Gogs Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 interesting not had many replies and still no answer to the difference in labels or whether "nobody knows" exists or not Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Gogs Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 sorry but going to bump this back up to see if we get any answers to the questions raised. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Gogs Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Reading the thread about velvet hammer "happy" label reminded be off this one i asked last year and got no real definitive answers to any of the questions raised, so thought i might try again. thank you gogs Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Hi. I'm not sure what specific type of answer you're looking for, but whoever ran the label clearly pressed it twice with two label designs. Unless someone is in contact with that person, I don't know what type of answer you could get. I don't think it has anything to do with different pressing plants though. Thanks. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Gogs Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Hi. I'm not sure what specific type of answer you're looking for, but whoever ran the label clearly pressed it twice with two label designs. Unless someone is in contact with that person, I don't know what type of answer you could get. I don't think it has anything to do with different pressing plants though. Thanks. Thanks boba, BUT then does the same apply to to current velvet hammer question. Why the different "b" sides?. What label was pressed first?. I think i'm becoming a Chinstroker Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Thanks boba, BUT then does the same apply to to current velvet hammer question. Why the different "b" sides?. What label was pressed first?. I think i'm becoming a Chinstroker The velvet hammer 45s have different b-sides? Either way the same answer doesn't apply because some information came from the group itself. I see the botanic record appears to have been produced by swamp dogg. I think you could try to contact him to see if he has answers? Good luck. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Gogs Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 One off the questions raised was does "Nobody know's" actually exsist as all copies seem to play poutd Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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