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Would have thought about £20 or less for the re-presses. There was a good thread a couple of years ago about these and comparing them to the originals as they're pressed off of the same plates.

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didn't think they were represses either TBH ?

still a great record and compared to some other 20 quid records worth picking up at that price.

i'm sure he was signing the covers of all the copies he had up on ebay.

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All from J.D. himself (via his daughter) not ever repressed to my knowledge and I've had loadsa copies of both seven and twelve down the years - look / sound / appear uniform on both formats. 12" more valuable nowadays - used to be other way round...most 'autographed' copies in recent circulation came from J.D. himself which he dug outta his garage when he was told it was making dough over here...

MRez

Edited by Mark Res

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He did sell them as originals and most dealers are still selling them as that.

There are however definitely two different pressings of this 45.

The label on the re-issue is printed with "dot matrix" technology, the original isn't.

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News to me - however - I discount nothing any more in this world...laugh.gif

Funny - the 45 used to be gold dust - I remember it being in Keb's box and wondering why the 7" was so danged hard to find while the 12" was about - I guess he redid the 45 as it was cheap and never redid the 12" cos they are costlier to re-run..

If so - I stand corrected....MRez

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Funny - the 45 used to be gold dust - I remember it being in Keb's box and wondering why the 7" was so danged hard to find while the 12" was about

The original 45 probably still is like gold dust.

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Yeah, the 'later' copies are definitely not the proper real 'gold dust' copies. Holding both side by side you can feel that the ones that turned up weren't from the same batch as the previous real ones, though trying to describe it over the net is pretty tough. The later ones have a more orange coloured label and as I seem to recall they were quite glossy in feel. And as Sebastian says, the print was dot-matrix style, kinda of fuzzy around the edges too. Very odd. The funny thing was that the image the guy used to sell the 45s on Ebay with was actually clearly scanned from an older pressing, but when they arrived it was like, 'err, what's this then'. I did ask him when these were made and he said 'sometime after the first pressing' or words to that effect. I think most people who have been around records for a while would have felt the same as I did when I held it: that it wasn't the same age as the real copy I had in the other hand.

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News to me - however - I discount nothing any more in this world...laugh.gif

Funny - the 45 used to be gold dust - I remember it being in Keb's box and wondering why the 7" was so danged hard to find while the 12" was about - I guess he redid the 45 as it was cheap and never redid the 12" cos they are costlier to re-run..

If so - I stand corrected....MRez

I know Mark, I got my copy (original press) soon after the Dargemeister. £300. Ouch that hurts now!

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I know Mark, I got my copy (original press) soon after the Dargemeister. £300. Ouch that hurts now!

i'm sure you have plenty of soul pack records that soon take that feeling away.

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Im sure Jorg from recordshack Austria bought a box of the 12"s a couple year ago

Kieran

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There was some talk a couple of weeks ago () regarding James D Hall's "I Wanna Get Into You" and the fact that there exists two different presses of this 45.

The original 45 has always been and continues to be extremely rare.

The copies that the artist himself was selling a couple of years ago are not originals.

The re-issue is pressed from the same plates as the original so it is most likely a legal re-issue, but for those of you who don't want to have re-issues in your record collection, I'll try to explain the differences between the two below.

Due to the two 45s being pressed from the same stampers they have the exact same matrix details, run-in/out groove widths etc. so unless you're holding them side by side it can at first glance be fairly hard to tell the difference between them.

Here they are side by side:

jdhall-orig.jpgjdhall-re.jpg

As you can see, they look almost identical.

But when you close in on the lettering it is obvious that the RE-ISSUE label is printed with modern "dot matrix" style printing and the edges of the text is fuzzy.

On the ORIGINAL the edges of the text are totally sharp.

See below:

jdhall-orig-detail1.jpg

jdhall-re-detail1.jpg

jdhall-orig-detail2.jpgjdhall-re-detail2.jpg

Another difference is that the "dips" at the inner part of the label (closest to the hole) are much more pronounced on the RE-ISSUE.

Have a look:

jdhall-orig-detail3.jpgjdhall-re-detail3.jpg

So basically: if the edges of the text are blurry and the dips in the label are pronounced, then you have the RE-ISSUE in your hands.

Edited by Sebastian

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That's brilliant Sebastian ! When I read that thread a couple of weeks back I wanted to post up something, but I just couldn't work out how to put it across so that people would understand what I was on about laugh.gif

Well done that man !

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Thanks! thumbsup.gif

I'm glad that the explanation is understandable. :ohmy:

To further illustrate the "dot matrix" printing, here is a better close-up of the "D. Hall" text on the labels.

ORIGINAL:

jdhall-orig-detail4.jpg

RE-ISSUE:

jdhall-re-detail4.jpg

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I did ask him (J D Hall) if they were originals (the ones that clearly aren't first presses) and he was vague in that he said they were done 'some time after the first presses). Looks like another case of seeing how much the real, proper rare ones were fetching and wanting some of the action. $20 for the repress seems right now.

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Thank you for the above confirmations, but the text indifference is not clearly viewable by the" human eye". Just checked with a printers glass which clears this up for certain. Still owning a 100% original as first supplied by Rod Dearlove circa......1988. thumbsup.gif

Thank you.

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the text indifference is not clearly viewable by the" human eye"

Don't know about that...it was pretty obvious to me - first time I looked at it I wondered why it was kind of fuzzy. Maybe depends on your eyesight. yes.gif

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I think if looking at the text in a venue, when light not so good you might not notice the difference. The re-issue just looks like the printer put too much ink down.

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I clearly see the heavy and light difference in the text printing on both copies. But fail to see the less obvious block and dot matix formation of texts, when not viewed under a glass. :yes: .

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Just like to say this is a geat thread about this record which i own 1 of these 

 

To the guy's who own any copy of this record i'm asking is there any stamp markings in the run out or more unusual in the label ?

 

You can PM  me if you want with any details of said question  :shhh: ok

 

in advance

 

KEV :hatsoff2:

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Markings in the run out are the same in the original and the re-press as the same original plates were used. So you can really only tell by looking at the differences in the label text and the dink gradients.

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All from J.D. himself (via his daughter) not ever repressed to my knowledge and I've had loadsa copies of both seven and twelve down the years - look / sound / appear uniform on both formats. 12" more valuable nowadays - used to be other way round...most 'autographed' copies in recent circulation came from J.D. himself which he dug outta his garage when he was told it was making dough over here...

MRez

He re-pressed it, said so himself. But in his eyes as it was his record and the original stampers, they were still originals, make of that what you want.

Edited by Dave Thorley

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Markings in the run out are the same in the original and the re-press as the same original plates were used. So you can really only tell by looking at the differences in the label text and the dink gradients.

Hi John

 

I'm asking the question of a Stamp because by looking at scans does not show up on them 

 

I've got a copy  it's the Rich Red Label  Ink lettering is a touch heavy in parts 

 

Matrix reads F128/JDH 1001-1   etched in 

 

Matrix reads F129/ JDH   1001 -2  IWGIY side   Etched in 

 

The fact is that there is Stamp in the label both sides it makes  something different about this record ?

 

I've checked this Stamp mark in  the label & it's in an exact position both sides of said record 

 

coinciding with the matrix markings in the run out 

 

That's why i asked if people could take time out to check it out

 

in advance

 

Kev 

Edited by Kev John

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I did ask him (J D Hall) if they were originals (the ones that clearly aren't first presses) and he was vague in that he said they were done 'some time after the first presses). Looks like another case of seeing how much the real, proper rare ones were fetching and wanting some of the action. $20 for the repress seems right now.

I did the same - only I asked if they were re-presses and he said no . Obvious they are though . Without digging my copy out I think they were on that more transparent vinyl ie. when you hold it up to the light - like the Cloe Martins on Geneva .

Edited by surfcity

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Has anyone got any contact details  i.e Email address for this artist i would love to get an official statement of him about this recording & post on SS 

 

Please PM with details  :wink:

 

atb Kev  :hatsoff2:

Edited by Kev John

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