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Looking through my records came accross a few Casino biggies in their time that never gey spins anymore where i go anyway.Take a look at these 5 for starters do they get any action nowadays all big dancers back in the day.

Sweet--Broken Heart Attack--Smash. late casino R.S spin covered i think as Chester Pipkin

Wilbur Walton Jr---24 hours of loneliness--123. Bat Brady i think

Tojo--Broken Hearted Lover---TEC. Searling again

Intros--Stop Look Listen--Jamie. May have been a Russ spin

Otis Blackwell--Its All over Me--Epic. Total Stormer

Out of those 5 i have only heard Otis Blackwell played recently the others not since the old days.Any thoughts out there on any of em could they stand up today i for one would love to dance to them all again.

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I played the Tojo track for the first year at NMD, fantastic track that needs more play time IMO :thumbsup:

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Sweet - Broken heart attack started getting plays again last year, have heard it out a few times, have heard wilbur walton a couple of times this year too.

there are loads of things that had a brief kind of life at wigan and were then forgotten, shame really, a lot of them would go really well on todays scene.

The best thing is you can pick a lot of them up pretty cheap, knowing that sooner or later someone is going to remember it and start playing it out, then the price can only go up :thumbsup:

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Hi Guys

Looking through my records came accross a few Casino biggies in their time that never gey spins anymore where i go anyway.Take a look at these 5 for starters do they get any action nowadays all big dancers back in the day.

Sweet--Broken Heart Attack--Smash. late casino R.S spin covered i think as Chester Pipkin

Wilbur Walton Jr---24 hours of loneliness--123. Bat Brady i think

Tojo--Broken Hearted Lover---TEC. Searling again

Intros--Stop Look Listen--Jamie. May have been a Russ spin

Otis Blackwell--Its All over Me--Epic. Total Stormer

Out of those 5 i have only heard Otis Blackwell played recently the others not since the old days.Any thoughts out there on any of em could they stand up today i for one would love to dance to them all again.

Funny enough, we where talking about Sweet "Broken Heart Attack" on facebook the other day.

We where saying that this record used to be on sale on the stall in Manchester Market about a year before Wigan opened.

And the shock of hearing it covered up 6 or 7 years later by Dickie.:thumbsup:

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Bat Brady i think

Did he have a sidekick called Robin :thumbsup:

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Did he have a sidekick called Robin :thumbsup:

Oh Bat yeh spelling mistake perils of being a night shift worker heads a shed any comments on the records.

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Oh Bat yeh spelling mistake perils of being a night shift worker heads a shed any comments on the records.

Only that Otis Blackwell was originally an Ian levine Mecca spin and predates the other selections by about 4 years.

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I played the Tojo track for the first year at NMD, fantastic track that needs more play time IMO :thumbsup:

Agreed Steve its a great dancer one of my faves as is the Intros,both a hundred times better than some of the played out oldies that get relentlessly churned out.

Found another The Jerms--I'm a teardrop,midtempo moody atmospheric track ain't heard that one in years also

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Only that Otis Blackwell was originally an Ian levine Mecca spin and predates the other selections by about 4 years.

Your right lots of early Mecca oldies and Cleethorpes spins became associated with the casino a good example is Rain --Out of My mind which was played at Cleggy first by Poke but which most soulies associate as a wigan sound due to it featuring in this Engalnd

What would you nominate as a few forgotten wigan oldies tracks Pete that you think would still punch the floor today

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I think Searling played the Wilber Walton Jr track .My mate bought it from him. You know how Dicky used to like the rare stuff .The 45 Dicky played was one of the rare European issues, forgotten country. But it wasn't a U.S. issue. As for forgotten stuff, i think people like to keep em forgotten till they play them.

A few i've got, but not played in donkeys

Broadway Express C/U as Thats What Love Can Do -Richie Temple

General Assembly Sensitive Mind

Friendly People C/U as Lee Valentine Ain't Got Nothing But The Blues VMP

How about that Wilson Picket track on Chocolate City (Or something like that Brady used to play it)

DD Barnes Do What you Wanna Do (Belter!)

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Your right lots of early Mecca oldies and Cleethorpes spins became associated with the casino a good example is Rain --Out of My mind which was played at Cleggy first by Poke but which most soulies associate as a wigan sound due to it featuring in this Engalnd

What would you nominate as a few forgotten wigan oldies tracks Pete that you think would still punch the floor today

I dunno mate, I'll have to have a good think about it. What really bugs me is when people list a record and call it a "Wigan monster" and they're talking about something like The Lovells which only ever got played about twice. There's monsters and there's minor spins.

Forgotten Wigan dancers:

wayne cochran - i'm in trouble

peg leg moffett - the shocker

the shirtails - i want you to stay with me

john andrews - it's just love (well popular now but lay dormant for 30 years)

sammy lee - what goes around

sergio mendes - love music

just off the top of my head

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With the exception of some of the things Pete & Deejay mention, none of the things mentioned thus far are really forgotten in the true sense - a proper forgotten oldie is something that when you hear it, its the first time in decades & it almost takes on the mantle of a newie again, I'm thinking of the likes of recentish reactivations like Lee Fields & Sandy Hadley, I had never heard Sandy Hadley before to be honest......but I know it was played. I would like to hear about things competely buried for years, that we all have literally forgotten.

Not Wigan but what about these:

Eddie Holland - Daydreamer

Roy C - Gone, Gone, Gone

Del Larks - Out of the In Crowd

Backstreet - Detroit Rythmn Section

Modern forgotten oldies anyone ?

Sammy Lee is a stunner BTW Pete.......

Good thread

Russ

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I think Searling played the Wilber Walton Jr track .My mate bought it from him. You know how Dicky used to like the rare stuff .The 45 Dicky played was one of the rare European issues, forgotten country. But it wasn't a U.S. issue. As for forgotten stuff, i think people like to keep em forgotten till they play them.

A few i've got, but not played in donkeys

Broadway Express C/U as Thats What Love Can Do -Richie Temple

General Assembly Sensitive Mind

Friendly People C/U as Lee Valentine Ain't Got Nothing But The Blues VMP

How about that Wilson Picket track on Chocolate City (Or something like that Brady used to play it)

DD Barnes Do What you Wanna Do (Belter!)

DJ

Think this was a Stafford spin for Pat Brady Dave, twas on Wicked I think.

Best Russ

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I had never heard Sandy Hadley before to be honest......but I know it was played.

Russ, first time I ever went to Wigan, I did a tape which I listened to many many times so remember a lot of the tracks, Richard played Sandy Hadley, it was bootlegged by the time I next went which was 2 weeks later so it had a very short lifespan.

Another truly forgotten oldie is on that tape, maybe forgotten because it wasn't actually very good, Freddie Hughes - Don't You Leave - Greg Uh Rudy Records.

(Also included Holywood Persuaders, Nine Times, jades, Vicki Sue Robinson, Marion Love - Walk proud and pretty)

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More forgotten Wigan spins...

Barbara Pennington - 24 hours a day - united artists (this has to be one of the greatest UK soul productions ever. Oh ok, soul production with an English person's involvement then)

Gloria & the T-Airas - I'm satisfied - Bettys

Sound of Excitement - Please don't cry - Catamount (covered up as The Newbeats, sounds more like The Newbeats than the real Newbeats)

Bill Brandon & Lorraine Johnson - Full time groover - Moonsong

Liberty - Girl you better wake up (inst) - BASF

Velvet Love - Symphony of dreams - UK Alaska (a 2 week Russ spin that was actually really nice if a bit poppy...well a lot poppy..still nice though)

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More forgotten Wigan spins...

Barbara Pennington - 24 hours a day - united artists (this has to be one of the greatest UK soul productions ever. Oh ok, soul production with an English person's involvement then)

Gloria & the T-Airas - I'm satisfied - Bettys

Sound of Excitement - Please don't cry - Catamount (covered up as The Newbeats, sounds more like The Newbeats than the real Newbeats)

Bill Brandon & Lorraine Johnson - Full time groover - Moonsong

Liberty - Girl you better wake up (inst) - BASF

Velvet Love - Symphony of dreams - UK Alaska (a 2 week Russ spin that was actually really nice if a bit poppy...well a lot poppy..still nice though)

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More forgotten Wigan spins...

Barbara Pennington - 24 hours a day - united artists (this has to be one of the greatest UK soul productions ever. Oh ok, soul production with an English person's involvement then)

Gloria & the T-Airas - I'm satisfied - Bettys

Sound of Excitement - Please don't cry - Catamount (covered up as The Newbeats, sounds more like The Newbeats than the real Newbeats)

Bill Brandon & Lorraine Johnson - Full time groover - Moonsong

Liberty - Girl you better wake up (inst) - BASF

Velvet Love - Symphony of dreams - UK Alaska (a 2 week Russ spin that was actually really nice if a bit poppy...well a lot poppy..still nice though)

Gloria & the Tiaras is immense - both sides brilliant.

Liberty is brill too - first played at Cleggy ?

Keep em comin Pete

Russ

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More forgotten Wigan spins...

Barbara Pennington - 24 hours a day - united artists (this has to be one of the greatest UK soul productions ever. Oh ok, soul production with an English person's involvement then)

Gloria & the T-Airas - I'm satisfied - Bettys

Sound of Excitement - Please don't cry - Catamount (covered up as The Newbeats, sounds more like The Newbeats than the real Newbeats)

Bill Brandon & Lorraine Johnson - Full time groover - Moonsong

Liberty - Girl you better wake up (inst) - BASF

Velvet Love - Symphony of dreams - UK Alaska (a 2 week Russ spin that was actually really nice if a bit poppy...well a lot poppy..still nice though)

Thanks for all these Pete some i remember most i have had to refresh my memory via u tube. couple more i distantly recall

FRIENDLY PEOPLE--AINT GOT NOTHING BUT THE BLUES

VILLAGE SOUNDS--THESE WINDOWS

SHADOWS--MY LOVE IS GONE

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More forgotten Wigan spins...

Barbara Pennington - 24 hours a day - united artists (this has to be one of the greatest UK soul productions ever. Oh ok, soul production with an English person's involvement then)....MECCA

Gloria & the T-Airas - I'm satisfied - Bettys

Sound of Excitement - Please don't cry - Catamount (covered up as The Newbeats, sounds more like The Newbeats than the real Newbeats)

Bill Brandon & Lorraine Johnson - Full time groover - Moonsong....MECCA

Liberty - Girl you better wake up (inst) - BASF.....MECCA

Velvet Love - Symphony of dreams - UK Alaska (a 2 week Russ spin that was actually really nice if a bit poppy...well a lot poppy..still nice though)

Freddie Hughes - "Dont you leave"..also Mecca spin,CC i believe.

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Freddie Hughes - "Dont you leave"..also Mecca spin,CC i believe.

Kev just because they are 70's releases doesn't mean they originated from the Mecca, Pennington obviously was did but Brandon & Johnson was a John Vincent spin at Wigan, Liberty was an Alan Rhodes spin at Wigan and was also played at Cleethorpes, how you going to know where it was played first when 3 venues have the same record?... I'll check the next lot with you make sure I don't make any more mistakes...

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Kev just because they are 70's releases doesn't mean they originated from the Mecca, Pennington obviously was did but Brandon & Johnson was a John Vincent spin at Wigan, Liberty was an Alan Rhodes spin at Wigan and was also played at Cleethorpes, how you going to know where it was played first when 3 venues have the same record?... I'll check the next lot with you make sure I don't make any more mistakes...

Calm down,calm down.

But you did quote "More forgotten Wigan spins".........................so where you say Alan Rhodes for instance ,i'd say Levine or Curtis.

Lets have some genuine forgotten Wigan spins.

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More forgotten Wigan spins...

Barbara Pennington - 24 hours a day - united artists (this has to be one of the greatest UK soul productions ever. Oh ok, soul production with an English person's involvement then)

Agree on that one Pete, Just suprised that youve posted a comment like that, If ever a tune spilt the scene then this was it, I remember fights breaking out cos this was played and the fact that he who carnt be named produced it,

for notarity it puts the carstaires in the shade

great tune :thumbsup:

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Agree on that one Pete, Just suprised that youve posted a comment like that, If ever a tune spilt the scene then this was it, I remember fights breaking out cos this was played and the fact that he who carnt be named produced it,

for notarity it puts the carstaires in the shade

great tune :thumbsup:

"I cant erase the thoughts of you" was also a good tune.

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Lydia Marcelle - It's not like you [ Manhattan ] Great forgotten femme side ,spun by Richard Searling .......

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a few i can think off...

phil orsi - lovin on borrowed time

john drevars - the closer she gets

cody marshall - the thought of loving you

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Russ, first time I ever went to Wigan, I did a tape which I listened to many many times so remember a lot of the tracks, Richard played Sandy Hadley, it was bootlegged by the time I next went which was 2 weeks later so it had a very short lifespan.

Another truly forgotten oldie is on that tape, maybe forgotten because it wasn't actually very good, Freddie Hughes - Don't You Leave - Greg Uh Rudy Records.

(Also included Holywood Persuaders, Nine Times, jades, Vicki Sue Robinson, Marion Love - Walk proud and pretty)

I remember that tape - I was there! Did it not have Yvonne Baker on it too? yes.gif

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I remember that tape - I was there! Did it not have Yvonne Baker on it too? yes.gif

Yvonne Baker was way before Freddie Hughes and Sandy Hadley.

Ernie Marbray had a very short life span at Wigan.

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Calm down,calm down.

But you did quote "More forgotten Wigan spins".........................so where you say Alan Rhodes for instance ,i'd say Levine or Curtis.

Lets have some genuine forgotten Wigan spins.

But..Barbara Pennington, this was a massive Wigan record, remember the 3rd anniversary, it was played about 3 times, so for me it's a forgotten Wigan sound.

The fact that I never went to The Mecca may have some influence over my selections :rolleyes:

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But..Barbara Pennington, this was a massive Wigan record, remember the 3rd anniversary, it was played about 3 times, so for me it's a forgotten Wigan sound.

The fact that I never went to The Mecca may have some influence over my selections :thumbsup:

:rolleyes: .

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Yvonne Baker was way before Freddie Hughes and Sandy Hadley.

Ernie Marbray had a very short life span at Wigan.

Think he may be right as it hadn't been booted at that precise time

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Rubbish at knowing what was played and when i don't really care, so i'll have a guess at a couple.

The jokes on you

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The joker went wild

Don't hear them out ever.biggrin.gif

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Think he may be right as it hadn't been booted at that precise time

Sandy Hadley? I would have thought if FH was being played ,SH had already been booted.YB some years before in timeline.

I'm too old for this....:rolleyes:

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4736107488.jpg:rolleyes:

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How about that Wilson Picket track on Chocolate City (Or something like that Brady used to play it)

DJ

"How Will I Ever Know"..................played for a good while as "Brother Louie Brown" @ Wigan

Cheers Paul

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Marty Lewis - I can't do without you - Big Deal

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4736107488.jpg:rolleyes:

I don't ever remember hearing that at Wigan but Russ always played the other side, the instrumental, covered as Bob & Earl band. I didn't even KNOW there was a vocal til the 80's :thumbsup:

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Sandy Hadley? I would have thought if FH was being played ,SH had already been booted.YB some years before in timeline.

I'm too old for this....:rolleyes:

Yvonne Baker got booted summer of 76 mate, Sandy Hadley booted April/May 76, from what I remember the first time I ever went was April 12th 1976

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Just a few I can remember

Rules Gil Blanding

The two of us The other Ones

I cant stand to lose you E J Chandler

Just one more chance Patrick Bradley

Shaddows and reflections The Loneley Crowde

Run baby run Peter Jarrett and the Inner Circle

Stop and you will become aware Helen Shapario

My little cottage by the sea Fluffy Falana

Tied to your heart The Lucky Charms

This man in love The New Wonderers

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Yvonne Baker got booted summer of 76 mate, Sandy Hadley booted April/May 76, from what I remember the first time I ever went was April 12th 1976

Sorry Pete,i didn't realise we were discussing timings of boots,only when the above were played.:rolleyes:

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I don't ever remember hearing that at Wigan but Russ always played the other side, the instrumental, covered as Bob & Earl band. I didn't even KNOW there was a vocal til the 80's :rolleyes:

That's a big shock to me that the Strides was coved up at Wigan, having said that I only found out last year that "Love Music" was covered up at Wigan as well.

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With the exception of some of the things Pete & Deejay mention, none of the things mentioned thus far are really forgotten in the true sense - a proper forgotten oldie is something that when you hear it, its the first time in decades & it almost takes on the mantle of a newie again, I'm thinking of the likes of recentish reactivations like Lee Fields & Sandy Hadley, I had never heard Sandy Hadley before to be honest......but I know it was played. I would like to hear about things competely buried for years, that we all have literally forgotten.

Not Wigan but what about these:

Eddie Holland - Daydreamer

Roy C - Gone, Gone, Gone

Del Larks - Out of the In Crowd

Backstreet - Detroit Rythmn Section

Modern forgotten oldies anyone ?

Sammy Lee is a stunner BTW Pete.......

Good thread

Russ

Sandy Handley was massive at The Mecca. Late 75 - Early 76

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Marty Lewis - I can't do without you - Big Deal

AWESOME tune this one gets played out still think Pete CASPER has it on his excellent playlist from the last Kings Hall Nighter

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But..Barbara Pennington, this was a massive Wigan record, remember the 3rd anniversary, it was played about 3 times, so for me it's a forgotten Wigan sound.

The fact that I never went to The Mecca may have some influence over my selections :thumbsup:

I can see where you are coming from. I stopped going to Wigan just after the 2nd Anniversary, and didn't start going until late 78 .

For me 79 until the end was the best time to go to Wigan for the music, even if some Saturday Nights where dead.

I never did any of the Friday oldies.

Like Wigan will always be your No1 Club, The Mecca will always be mine. :rolleyes:

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Lydia Marcelle - It's not like you [ Manhattan ] Great forgotten femme side ,spun by Richard Searling .......

Great Choice.:rolleyes:

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Sorry Pete,i didn't realise we were discussing timings of boots,only when the above were played.:rolleyes:

Soon as the boot came out, it stopped getting played, you know thats what I meant

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The sweet willl no doubt get a spin down @ Change, in July, by my fine self.

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And another !! , got a tape of this one from Sept 80 :rolleyes:

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Cannot reme,ber the last time I heard,

Sister Lee- Sam Ward

played out

Tony

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how about paul newman and the excaliburs-aint you got the heart to tell me! ,or the wooden nickels -nobody but you,betty wright -prophcey,gill bernal-can you love a poor boy.

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