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[pikeys dog]

I'm putting forward a script for a film about the current scene - none of this 'heyday' nostalgia for me...

I see it as a cross between Tod Browning's Freaks and Cocoon The Return with a thumping 'Funky' Northern Soundtrack

[Roddy]

can i play the lead Joe ? a mad Scots alchoholic with a chip on his shoulder traveling up and down the UK to various Soul Allnighters in the UK CIRCA 2011 ?

[Guest in town Mikey]

There is a phrase - Everybody has a book in them.

It relates to the human instinct of story telling that goes back as far as language in every human culture in the world.

Some people will be good, others great, and the masses pretty ropey.

In Elaine's case we already have an accomplished story teller through her photographic work. Anyone who has seen her work can make up their own narrative to the pictures. In this film Elaine is getting the chance to tell her experience of the Northern Soul scene. And unlike Soul Boy (which I thought was OK), Elaine is going to be telling the story from within so to speak. Rather than an outsiders cliched view.

I think as has been said by many already. If anyone is going to do a job that rises above the rest, it is going to be someone like Elaine, who is telling the story with her own passion. Rather than getting an eclectic mix of stories and attempting to cobble them together.

My reference would be Paul Sadot's play one night in Wigan. Again Paul wrote that play from his perspective and experience of decades of love for the Northern Soul scene. And the results were second to none IMO.

I was as sceptical about Soul Boy as I am excited about Elaine's work. Even if it is the best thing ever set to celluloid about Northern Soul, I cant see Elaine being able to buy the mansion next to Joan Collins' island in the West Indies. So the criticism about 'cashing in' is surely mute. But while maybe not financially rich, if Elaine does pull it off, she can 'consider herself a millionaire'.

[Little-stevie]

can i play the lead Joe ? a mad Scots alchoholic with a chip on his shoulder traveling up and down the UK to various Soul Allnighters in the UK CIRCA 2011 ?

The realism in that would have me moist bring it on darlings....

Lets hope the funding does come through for this blokbuster,,, i can also see this going to panto too...

"Roddy in Boots "

[Citizen P]

The realism in that would have me moist bring it on darlings....

Lets hope the funding does come through for this blokbuster,,, i can also see this going to panto too...

"Roddy in Boots "

For true realism though, surely it should be

" Soulie in Boots

at ten to three on a Thursday morning" ??

ATB

Tony

[Mike]

There is a phrase - Everybody has a book in them.

It relates to the human instinct of story telling that goes back as far as language in every human culture in the world.

Some people will be good, others great, and the masses pretty ropey.

In Elaine's case we already have an accomplished story teller through her photographic work. Anyone who has seen her work can make up their own narrative to the pictures. In this film Elaine is getting the chance to tell her experience of the Northern Soul scene. And unlike Soul Boy (which I thought was OK), Elaine is going to be telling the story from within so to speak. Rather than an outsiders cliched view.

I think as has been said by many already. If anyone is going to do a job that rises above the rest, it is going to be someone like Elaine, who is telling the story with her own passion. Rather than getting an eclectic mix of stories and attempting to cobble them together.

My reference would be Paul Sadot's play one night in Wigan. Again Paul wrote that play from his perspective and experience of decades of love for the Northern Soul scene. And the results were second to none IMO.

I was as sceptical about Soul Boy as I am excited about Elaine's work. Even if it is the best thing ever set to celluloid about Northern Soul, I cant see Elaine being able to buy the mansion next to Joan Collins' island in the West Indies. So the criticism about 'cashing in' is surely mute. But while maybe not financially rich, if Elaine does pull it off, she can 'consider herself a millionaire'.

mikey

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[Agentsmith]

It's a leap in logic to say that any attempt to portray something in art is necessarily 'commercialising' that subject. I can't speak directly for Elaine Constantine but I would imagine that this is a story which is very personal to her and one she wants to tell through the medium of film. You seem to have a very one dimensional view of film in general. Not everything on the big screen needs to be a flashy commercial blockbuster on one hand or a 'Mutiny on the Buses' on the other. I don't think the aim of this film is to 'revive' interest in Northern Soul or if it even needs reviving.

As I said above I understand scepticism about any project like this as one of the guiding principles of Northern or rare soul as a scene or movement is that it was entirely created by its participants, maybe the first thing in Britain ever distinctly like that in character. It wasn't a case of the music industry or television channels or daily newspapers in London telling young people what clothes to wear or what records to buy or what night clubs to go to. Its very underground nature was one of the defining reasons why it was so important to the people who followed the lifestyle every weekend and maybe the biggest key to its longevity.

If someone who was on the scene wishes to make a film about what it meant to them and how it shaped their values we should respect their choice to try to tell that story.

ive read all the quotes on this continuing saga and decided to chime in on this one in particular, but just in brief. just like our formost iconic dj's, the scene does not revive, it simply reinvents to suit the next generation. our scene and our music is durability accentuated. one thing it could never be tagged with is an andy warhol " fifteen minutes of fame" rebuke. a "wearing our hearts on our sleeves" celluloid celebratory acknowledgment of our all-consuming love for northern soul, surely is worth the effort, especially in the hands of a true soulie who wants to tell the story without so much as a stereotypical commercial distraction....the trap that has been fallen into before. this has to be a statement, akin to a stone carved monument,...a defining moment that from a visionary's point of view, we have never come close to fulfilling without unwelcome intervention from an unknowledgeable media and its other subsidiaries.

im probably like a good many others who do not know elaine personally, but reading the dialogue here, has alone, convinced me of her positivity. i remember, like a good many of you out there, the hype and furore that encompassed the release of the award winning documentary about the funk brothers and the triumphalism of finally achieving the recognition they deserved as much as the indebtedness, owed to them by their begrudging employer's motown....without them, there would have been no story and remember,....the foundation stones of our scene were built on the sounds coming out of detroit....the initial backbone of what morphed into northern soul.

that documentary is like an eleventh commandment, set in stone, where the roots of our musical heritage came from.....

so now is the time for a twelfth and, be it not a documentary, its by the people, for the people, the most important belief anyone should possess in telling our story the right way. i truely believe we can have before us a film we will watch and relate to, over and over for the rest of our natural lives.

[pikeys dog]

can i play the lead Joe ? a mad Scots alchoholic with a chip on his shoulder traveling up and down the UK to various Soul Allnighters in the UK CIRCA 2011 ?

I was hoping to make it a heart-felt story of coming of middle age - not a documentary

[Rugby Soul Club]

I watched the preview clip of Soul Boy and cringed.

I watched the preview clip of this one and laughed with enjoyment.

Says it all to me and I look forward to seeing the full film...

[soulskin]

the only people who can portray how it was , what it felt like, how it made them feel, are the people who were there , and we will,

[Guest Dave Turner]

the only people who can portray how it was , what it felt like, how it made them feel, are the people who were there , and we will,

Sorry mate, am I missing summat. You were born in 1967 as per your profile, so how does that compute?

[soulskin]

actually, this is my whole point, yes you are missing something, people only see what they want to see and feel what they want too feel ,, depending on how close u look and how much u let yourself feel ,, is the whole point ,, u c there are two people in the picture, what u think is the whole story isnt necessarily true, in your words it computes as, im not the the he, in the pic, im the she , and i am old enough , and not only old enough i was brought up with kenny spence, hope u get a lil more insight,, and watch this space over the next few months and u will undertand more,,

[soulskin]

It's refreshing to know that someone with a real passion for the scene and it's music is behind this. Replicating youth / sub culture on film is never going to be easy as so much is lost in time.

I do find the dance instruction a bit cringworthy (I keep hearing a voice saying ' Northern soul cost's and right here is where you start paying' LOL) but it's great to see those young faces attending the 'Dance Club' and looking like they are having a ball - I hope they keep doing it for reasons other than a career in the movies.

Good luck to whoever is behind it and don't let the miserable old sods on here get you down .

[soulskin]

funny really cant ever recall being called a miserable old sod ,,, usually get called gud fun , entertaining, artistic, intelligent, warm and caring, crazy, the original soul girl, the sweetest girl in the world, an angel,

[Wiggyflat]

Wonder if they have a crazy French morrocan in a white suit saying baybee and I hate ze funk punting out mirwood instrumentals...there's a million crazy characters that could be In this film.

[Guest Dave Turner]

actually, this is my whole point, yes you are missing something, people only see what they want to see and feel what they want too feel ,, depending on how close u look and how much u let yourself feel ,, is the whole point ,, u c there are two people in the picture, what u think is the whole story isnt necessarily true, in your words it computes as, im not the the he, in the pic, im the she , and i am old enough , and not only old enough i was brought up with kenny spence, hope u get a lil more insight,, and watch this space over the next few months and u will undertand more,,

Sorry but if you post under a profile that gives a birth date of 1967 logically I, and possibly most others, would assume that the poster was born in err ... 1967.

[soulskin]

Sorry but if you post under a profile that gives a birth date of 1967 logically I, and possibly most others, would assume that the poster was born in err ... 1967.

I DISAGREE, HAS ONE NEVER READ A BOOK, AUTHOR WITH PSEUDONYM, ASSUMPTION IS THE CAUSE OF MANY MISUNDERSTANDINGS,, YOUR NAME ,, FOR EXAMPLE, I HAVE AN UNCLE WITH THE NAME DAVID TURNER, I DO NOT , THEREFORE , ASSUME WE ARE RELATED, AS I SAID WE SEE WHAT WE WANT TO SEE,,

[Steve G]

the only people who can portray how it was , what it felt like, how it made them feel, are the people who were there , and we will,

OMG - middle aged baldies and fatties and OAPs trying to look like they did 40 years ago? Well you don't need to set up a film to make that - just go to any big weekender

Edited July 2, 2012 by Steve G

[sir cumference]

I DISAGREE, HAS ONE NEVER READ A BOOK, AUTHOR WITH PSEUDONYM, ASSUMPTION IS THE CAUSE OF MANY MISUNDERSTANDINGS,, YOUR NAME ,, FOR EXAMPLE, I HAVE AN UNCLE WITH THE NAME DAVID TURNER, I DO NOT , THEREFORE , ASSUME WE ARE RELATED, AS I SAID WE SEE WHAT WE WANT TO SEE,,

Can`t see how Dave is "assuming" as on the soulskin profile you state your gender as male,your age as 45 and your birth year as 1967.

You have intentionally mislead fellow posters-or have I assumed incorrectly ,also?

[soulskin]

Can`t see how Dave is "assuming" as on the soulskin profile you state your gender as male,your age as 45 and your birth year as 1967.

You have intentionally mislead fellow posters-or have I assumed incorrectly ,also?

IN A WORD YES!

[Mike]

IN A WORD YES!

welcome to the site soulskin

ok we dont do false ids etc on here

so to avoid any further confusion and misunderstandings can you edit your profile to reflect ya real name details etc

thanks

mike

[sir cumference]

IN A WORD YES!

Is that yes to the first part,or the second part of the second line?

[Guest lambrettanik]

i would like to point out to those of you that think these kids are in this just as a short cut to being famous BOLLOCKS!,ive got to know some of these kids who attend a dance session in the north of england,they're true SOULIES who attend weekenders,soul nights and allnighters up and down the country,collect records,some dj at venues-not bad for kids with "no real interest in the scene".most of these youngsters are sons and daughters of soulies,some collect and wear vintage 70s clothes during the day(how many 40 and 50 yr olds do this?)They attend these dance sessions to hone their skills and perfect their technique yes for the film as Elaine wants to recreate authentic 70s dancin(they are bein guided by old soulies not dance teachers who have been around the scene for years) and also as a social get together so they can plan their weekends rippin up a dance floor now back off and stop tryin to put them off as they're the future of a scene non of us wants to see die with us

Edited July 2, 2012 by lambrettanik

[Mike]

i would like to point out to those of you that think these kids are in this just as a short cut to being famous BOLLOCKS!,

do us a favour can you spare a moment and point out just where any one has said anything like the above on here

i can't see ought like that in this thread or recall similar in any other thread on here

so be interested in where you got it from

thanks

mike

[Pete S]

wear vintage 70s clothes during the day(how many 40 and 50 yr olds do this?

I was wearing a vintage Harrington today, does that count? Even my daughter commented on how nice it looked

[Guest lambrettanik]

do us a favour can you spare a moment and point out just where any one has said anything like the above on here

i can't see ought like that in this thread or recall similar in any other thread on here

so be interested in where you got it from

thanks

mike

yeh i'll 'do you a favour' and point out why iam ranting.yes no one on this has actually posted that exact set of words(yet),but i do know there is a soul source member who has used them publicaly and ive no doubt he will or has read this.as he also goes on FB and critacises everything these kids do

[Mike]

yeh i'll 'do you a favour' and point out why iam ranting.yes no one on this has actually posted that exact set of words(yet),but i do know there is a soul source member who has used them publicaly and ive no doubt he will or has read this.as he also goes on FB and critacises everything these kids do

lost me, this is soul source not some reply to your facebook friends posts service

how are other members supposed to know that you are using soul source as a way to have a dig at facebook posts

do me another favour

don't bring sh*te from elsewhere on here

if need to "rant" about stuff someone said elsewhere then do it where it was said or if you really feel a need to share it with us all, then make sure that you take the time to 'explain' just why you are posting it on here

[Guest Coley Soulie]

Me being one of these "kids" i would like to put my point accross, i am 25 years old and attended my first northern soul nighter at 15 years old with my dad, since then i have done nothing but attend all nighters, weekenders, etc. i am not in it just for the film and to be quite honest with you im probably not going to even be in the film due to work commitments, please for the love of god stop slaggin off the film, the youngsters and we are true soulies, im sure my record collection would blow the bollocks off alot of you lot (before you say it its not all comercial either) xx

[Mike]

Me being one of these "kids" i would like to put my point accross, i am 25 years old and attended my first northern soul nighter at 15 years old with my dad, since then i have done nothing but attend all nighters, weekenders, etc. i am not in it just for the film and to be quite honest with you im probably not going to even be in the film due to work commitments, please for the love of god stop slaggin off the film, the youngsters and we are true soulies, im sure my record collection would blow the bollocks off alot of you lot (before you say it its not all comercial either) xx

yep, but...

no ones slagging it down on here in such a way as you say, the only person who mentioned "fame" thing was some guy "ranting" about what someone said on chumpbook

and now thanks to that post, seems we are now going down the road of people feeling a need to post to defend and so on and so on

ah well...

[Winnie :-)]

the only people who can portray how it was , what it felt like, how it made them feel, are the people who were there , and we will,

This doesn't make sense, I think Steve G pointed out, how can we now, approaching 60 portray ourselves at 20, do you not think an audience would notice we were all slightly beyond our sell by date? It's a piece of drama, film makers use actors to tell their story, that's all Elaine is doing, how about we watch the film when it comes out, then give an opinion?

Still really looking forward to this film

[Stevie T]

This doesn't make sense, I think Steve G pointed out, how can we now, approaching 60 portray ourselves at 20, do you not think an audience would notice we were all slightly beyond our sell by date? It's a piece of drama, film makers use actors to tell their story, that's all Elaine is doing, how about we watch the film when it comes out, then give an opinion?

Still really looking forward to this film

i think i can still get away with it , portray myself as 20 or am i just deluded , please dont ruin my version of reality

i too am looking forward to any film based around a genre that i have found great pleasure in for a great number of years, it can only

bring a smile to my face and that in its self is worth a fortune .

[Guest soulgirl8]

Me being one of these "kids" i would like to put my point accross, i am 25 years old and attended my first northern soul nighter at 15 years old with my dad, since then i have done nothing but attend all nighters, weekenders, etc. i am not in it just for the film and to be quite honest with you im probably not going to even be in the film due to work commitments, please for the love of god stop slaggin off the film, the youngsters and we are true soulies, im sure my record collection would blow the bollocks off alot of you lot (before you say it its not all comercial either) xx

hi , re your like on soulskin comment,, hi im karen and i borrowed my partnersprofile as i didnt have one ,, oops i think i created a bit of a stirr,, oh well,,, too the point i noticed that u understood wer i was coming from which leads me to blieve u r one of the special creed,,we are having a re union of the special creed at the above venue,, tickets are selling fast already and are limited, would be great if u could attend and like minded soulies from back then,, and it will be fab to see how many people we remember,,if u are up for a great re union, tickets £5 office box 01282661234 best wishes karen,KTF

[Guest soulgirl8]

Me being one of these "kids" i would like to put my point accross, i am 25 years old and attended my first northern soul nighter at 15 years old with my dad, since then i have done nothing but attend all nighters, weekenders, etc. i am not in it just for the film and to be quite honest with you im probably not going to even be in the film due to work commitments, please for the love of god stop slaggin off the film, the youngsters and we are true soulies, im sure my record collection would blow the bollocks off alot of you lot (before you say it its not all comercial either) xx

i think u misunderstand no one is putting anyone down,, its hard to put it accross without offending ,, please believe this ,, what it is ,,people feel there individual feelings at points in their lives,, u will in your journey ,, because thats what life is a journey, a very individual one, sometimes something brings a group of people together and a karma is felt amongst them,, yes u will feel yours with whoever ,, what was felt back then belongs too the people who felt it,, u will feel yours and no one can take that away from u,, wishing u all the best and hoping this helps u understand a small bit of what has been said,, good luck and good karma too u ,,xx

[Guest soulgirl8]

i seem to have created a bit of a stirr,, i am soulskins partner and borrowed his profile as i didnt have one then,, soulskin is by no means dishonest about anything,, and i did not intentionally mean this mix up to happen,, it said u could put annonimous comments on so whats the difference,, anyhow hope this clears gareth name,, im the guilty misunderstood one,,

[Guest lambrettanik]

I was wearing a vintage Harrington today, does that count? Even my daughter commented on how nice it looked

not really mate unless your wearing it with spencers and royal brogues,and a 70s feather cut hairstyle as some of these young 1s do

[Guest lambrettanik]

lost me, this is soul source not some reply to your facebook friends posts service

how are other members supposed to know that you are using soul source as a way to have a dig at facebook posts

do me another favour

don't bring sh*te from elsewhere on here

if need to "rant" about stuff someone said elsewhere then do it where it was said or if you really feel a need to share it with us all, then make sure that you take the time to 'explain' just why you are posting it on here

"dont bring sh#te on here from elsewhere" suppose that extendeds to those that refer to articles in newspapers,tv,radio,book,magazines etc aswell as me? and if we didnt refer to articles from other sources you wouldnt have much of a site now would you? or topics for debate or am i just being singled out for special treatment?,i did explain -the person goes on this site.so "do me a favour" and try and use less inflamertary exspletives its not very becoming of a person in your esteemed position-i was defending kids against a bully and bringin attention to the fact.now back to the subject.the film!

[dedji1955]

actually, this is my whole point, yes you are missing something, people only see what they want to see and feel what they want too feel ,, depending on how close u look and how much u let yourself feel ,, is the whole point ,, u c there are two people in the picture, what u think is the whole story isnt necessarily true, in your words it computes as, im not the the he, in the pic, im the she , and i am old enough , and not only old enough i was brought up with kenny spence, hope u get a lil more insight,, and watch this space over the next few months and u will undertand more,,

Soulskin I take it that your an Aspuller, if thats the case why not attend a soul night this friday at Hilltops club, Blackrod, Danny Paton and Ben Hindley from Wigan Young Souls along with some of the old Aspull soul boys are the DJs

[paultp]

not really mate unless your wearing it with spencers and royal brogues,and a 70s feather cut hairstyle as some of these young 1s do

I think if I saw someone in the street dressed like that I'd presume they were going to a fancy dress party.

Still, every generation looks back to those before it; in the 70's there was a fad for dressing like people in the 40's and 50's, people would watch old films to see what was being worn then copy it, Glenn Miller got into the charts. Never gets mentioned now. These days when people talk about 70's fashions in the mainstream media they always roll out flares (loon pants anyone?) and afghan coats as that is what the middle class kids who went to University wore. I wouldn't have been seen dead in an Afghan coat FFS.

Difference is now there are internet forums where the older generation can laugh and poke fun at youngsters who try and dress like they did 40 years ago, whereas in the 70's it was just your dad who told you that you looked ridiculous and talked all the way through top of the pops, etc.

Funny old world.

P.S. best of luck with "moderating" the site owner - made I laugh

Edited July 6, 2012 by paultp

[Mike]

"dont bring sh#te on here from elsewhere" suppose that extendeds to those that refer to articles in newspapers,tv,radio,book,magazines etc aswell as me? and if we didnt refer to articles from other sources you wouldnt have much of a site now would you? or topics for debate or am i just being singled out for special treatment?,i did explain -the person goes on this site.so "do me a favour" and try and use less inflamertary exspletives its not very becoming of a person in your esteemed position-i was defending kids against a bully and bringin attention to the fact.now back to the subject.the film!

as i said

the next time you wish to start anything negative on here based on what was said elsewhere, then suggest you take the time and effort to set it up so that people are not scratching their heads

if you want to carry on this discussion then pm me or take it to feedback forum

back to the film....

on these film threads

as there's 2 or 3 current film related threads, will close this and other ones later and link them to the most recent one

cheers now

mike

[Winnie :-)]

I think if I saw someone in the street dressed like that I'd presume they were going to a fancy dress party.

Still, every generation looks back to those before it; in the 70's there was a fad for dressing like people in the 40's and 50's, people would watch old films to see what was being worn then copy it, Glenn Miller got into the charts. Never gets mentioned now. These days when people talk about 70's fashions in the mainstream media they always roll out flares (loon pants anyone?) and afghan coats as that is what the middle class kids who went to University wore. I wouldn't have been seen dead in an Afghan coat FFS.

Difference is now there are internet forums where the older generation can laugh and poke fun at youngsters who try and dress like they did 40 years ago, whereas in the 70's it was just your dad who told you that you looked ridiculous and talked all the way through top of the pops, etc.

Funny old world.

Yep, remember it well, used to go round the charity shops looking for Demob suits, single breasted jackets, no vents, and a very cool look it was as well, H&S and public awareness, wasn't what it si today, so never a thought to check for p*ss stains in the crotch...... happy days

[Mike]

if you want to carry on this discussion then pm me or take it to feedback forum

back to the film....

on these film threads

as there's 2 or 3 current film related threads, will close this and other ones later and link them to the most recent one

cheers now

mike

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