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Phonetics - Just A Boys Dream, Another On Evilbay


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Guest JIM BARRY

One on evilbay the other night fetched a ridiculous $1030..75.

https://www.ebay.com/...#ht_1723wt_1413

This guy with another graded at VG is just as optimistic with a starting price $1000 :rolleyes:

https://www.ebay.com/...l-/310348654639

dont know if thats cheap or what these days, 7 years ago i sold mine in vg++ FOR £1400 and the buyer was well chuffed.

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defo a grand upwards,flippin good sound!

got mine off mick smith, i gave him some nice british demo's including donald height and the incredibles to the value of £800

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I'm pretty sure the current seller's "VG" is significantly cleaner than the "VG-" one on ebay. You have to look at the photos and listen to the soundclips for clues. On soul source you have no idea if the person you're buying from is a conservative grader or not. And people here tend to be either really conservative graders or bad graders. Yet both types of people sell an "EX" record for the same price and you usually don't even have photos to gauge their grading. The majority of people I have dealt with here are pretty conservative graders though, it's just annoying to get a record from the few remaining sellers who are all the way at the other end. Almost nobody here is in the middle for some reason.

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I'm pretty sure the current seller's "VG" is significantly cleaner than the "VG-" one on ebay. You have to look at the photos and listen to the soundclips for clues. On soul source you have no idea if the person you're buying from is a conservative grader or not. And people here tend to be either really conservative graders or bad graders. Yet both types of people sell an "EX" record for the same price and you usually don't even have photos to gauge their grading. The majority of people I have dealt with here are pretty conservative graders though, it's just annoying to get a record from the few remaining sellers who are all the way at the other end. Almost nobody here is in the middle for some reason.

Deffinatly agree with you on this boba ....Paul

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Bob, I don't doubt the way they grade in the US, far better than over hear, they tend to stick to the Goldmine system in many cases which says VG is worth 25% of a mint value. With the value of this record at around £1000, JM has it at £1200 in his book so take off VAT etc and you won't be far off a grand. I know Jim said he got £1400 but his was better condition and copies have turned up over the years.

This seller is starting it at almost £650, 65% of the value and I guess he's hoping for more with the starting bid being so high. He also states it plays with faint static/crackle. My point was I believe it is way over priced and along with the one midweek buyers simply don't seem to be bothered about condition in relation to the amount of money they are parting with.

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Goldmine Grading System which most use in US and is supposed to be used when grading for ebay...

How to Grade Look at everything about a record. It's playing surface, it's label, it's edges...under a strong light. Then based on your overall impression give it a grade based on the following criteria:

  • Mint (M) Absolutely perfect in every way. Certainly never been played, possibly even still sealed.(More on still sealed under "Other Considerations"). Should be used sparingly as a grade, If at all.
  • Near Mint (NM or M-) A nearly perfect record. Many dealers won't give a grade higher than this implying (perhaps correctly)that no record is ever truly perfect.

    The record should show no obvious signs of wear. A 45 RPM or EP sleeve should have no more than the most minor defects, such as almost invisible ring wear or other signs of slight handling.

    An LP cover should have no creases, folds, seam splits or other noticeable similar defects. No cut-out holes, either. And of course, the same should be true of any other inserts, such as posters, lyric sleeves and the like.

    Basically, an LP in near mint condition looks as if you just got it home from a new record store and removed the shrink wrap.

    Near Mint is the highest price listed in all Goldmine price guides. Anything that exceeds this grade, in the opinion of both buyer and seller, is worth significantly more than the highest Goldmine book value.
  • Very Good Plus (VG+) Generally worth 50 percent of the Near Mint value.

    A Very Good Plus record will show some signs that it was played and otherwise handled by a previous owner who took good care of it.

    Record surfaces may show some signs of wear and may have slight scuffs or very light scratches that don't affect one's listening experiences. Slight warps that do not affect the sound are "OK".

    The label may have some ring wear or discoloration, but it should be barely noticeable. The center hole will not have been misshapen by repeated play.

    Picture sleeves and LP inner sleeves will have some slight wear, lightly turned up corners, or a slight seam split. An LP cover may have slight signs of wear also and may be marred by a cut-out hole, indentation or corner indicating it was taken out of print and sold at a discount.

    In general, if not for a couple things wrong with it, this would be Near Mint. All but the most mint-crazy collectors will find a Very Good Plus record highly acceptable.
  • Very Good (VG) Generally worth 25 percent of Near Mint value. Many of the defects found in a VG+ record will be more pronounced in a VG disc. Surface noise will be evident upon playing, especially in soft passages and during a song's intro and fade, but will not overpower the music otherwise. Groove wear will start to be noticeable, as with light scratches (deep enough to feel with a fingernail) that will affect the sound.

    Labels may be marred by writing, or have tape or stickers (or their residue) attached. The same will be true of picture sleeves or LP covers. However, it will not have all of these problems at the same time, only two or three of them.

    Goldmine price guides with more than one price will list Very Good as the lowest price. This, not the Near Mint price, should be your guide when determining how much a record is worth, as that is the price a dealer will normally pay you for a Near Mint record.
  • Good (G), Good Plus (G+) Generally worth 10-15 percent of the Near Mint value. Good does not mean Bad! A record in Good or Good Plus condition can be put onto a turntable and will play through without skipping. But it will have significant surface noise and scratches and visible groove wear (on a styrene record, the groove will be starting to turn white).

    A cover or sleeve will have seam splits, especially at the bottom or on the spine. Tape, writing, ring wear or other defects will start to overwhelm the object.

    It is a common item, you'll probably find another copy in better shape eventually. Pass it up. But, if it's something you have been seeking for years, and the price is right, get it...but keep looking to upgrade.
  • Poor (P), Fair (F) Generally worth 0-5 percent of the Near Mint price. The record is cracked, badly warped, and won't play through without skipping or repeating. The picture sleeve is water damaged, split on all three seams and heavily marred by wear and writing. The LP cover barely keeps the LP inside it. Inner sleeves are fully seam split, crinkled, and written upon.

    Except for impossibly rare records otherwise unattainable, records in this condition should be bought or sold for no more than a few cents each.

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