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Hi Does anyone have any info on who the band members were etc?

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Hi Does anyone have any info on who the band members where etc?

Bob Seger's band & Dusty Wilson on vocals, right?

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Bob Seger's band & Dusty Wilson on vocals, right?

Don`t know? thanks for the reply :thumbsup:

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Thought Gino washington (the 'Detroit' guy) guest sang with them too?

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Geno spelt wrong should be GINO

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GENO Washington (of The Ramjam Band) (the US Serviceman operating in England) was from Indiana. GINO Washington was from Detroit. Washpan was his record label. The Tomangoes sang backup to Gino on some cuts. I assume, however, that he was not an official member of their group.

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Bob Seger's band & Dusty Wilson on vocals, right?

I remember reading, somewhere, that Dusty Wilson was The Tomangoes' lead singer. I don't remember reading that the remainder of the vocals were Bob Seeger's Band. But, it rings a different bell. If I remember correctly, there were only two "Tomangoes, and, maybe Wilson sang lead recorded on one track, and the other member, Wilson and Gino Washington sang the backgrounds on another track. I think they were a studio group only, and didn't make appearances (unless it was the two singers plus an extra making appearances in Gino's shows. I seem to remember that the second singer was a known Detroit singer, as well.

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wasn't the name tomangoes suposed to be a kind of black code for white man goes like said quickly whitemangoes sounds like tomangoes as I'm sure Gino was/is a black activist some of the lines in some of his work e.g "don't hold me back because I'm black ." in the dubiously issued Rat Race .A term used (Rat Race ) to describe white people ? regards the elephant man.

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wasn't the name tomangoes suposed to be a kind of black code for white man goes like said quickly whitemangoes sounds like tomangoes as I'm sure Gino was/is a black activist some of the lines in some of his work e.g "don't hold me back because I'm black ." in the dubiously issued Rat Race .A term used (Rat Race ) to describe white people ? regards the elephant man.

I think the name had more to do with the movie 'Tamango'

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051049/

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wasn't the name tomangoes suposed to be a kind of black code for white man goes like said quickly whitemangoes sounds like tomangoes as I'm sure Gino was/is a black activist some of the lines in some of his work e.g "don't hold me back because I'm black ." in the dubiously issued Rat Race .A term used (Rat Race ) to describe white people ? regards the elephant man.

sorry if you read my initial dickish response, but your post completely blows my mind

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I remember reading, somewhere, that Dusty Wilson was The Tomangoes' lead singer. I don't remember reading that the remainder of the vocals were Bob Seeger's Band. But, it rings a different bell. If I remember correctly, there were only two "Tomangoes, and, maybe Wilson sang lead recorded on one track, and the other member, Wilson and Gino Washington sang the backgrounds on another track. I think they were a studio group only, and didn't make appearances (unless it was the two singers plus an extra making appearances in Gino's shows. I seem to remember that the second singer was a known Detroit singer, as well.

I'm getting my information from Keith Rylatt's 'Groovesville USA' book. It says the Gino Washington sewed together a backing track done by the Bob Seger band and a Dusty Wilson vocal. I'm unaware of the Tomangoe's doing anything else aside from Washpan 3125.

The b-side 'You've Been Gone So Long' was released as an instrumental on Washpan by the Randy Gibson Trio, but the vocalist on the Tomangoe's version sounds the same as whoever does 'I Really Love You.' Sort of a mysterious record?

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I would love to know who was responsible for this Amazing record.

From first hearing to present day it's been one of my favourites.

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I think the name had more to do with the movie 'Tamango'

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051049/

Thank you nick but that does not explain why the group name ends in an "E" as in 'GOES

with full respect Simon.

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sorry if you read my initial dickish response, but your post completely blows my mind

I didn't read your initial post but you won't offend me Boba I fully respect everyones views and if they conflict with mine I take it as a lesson ( every day's a day at school you know ) with full and due respect Simon.

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I would love to know who was responsible for this Amazing record.

From first hearing to present day it's been one of my favourites.

Same here Roger, it`s one of those theres not a lot of info available, HAVE A GREAT XMAS ROGER-H

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Have a Great Christmas too Harry.

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wasn't the name tomangoes suposed to be a kind of black code for white man goes like said quickly whitemangoes sounds like tomangoes as I'm sure Gino was/is a black activist some of the lines in some of his work e.g "don't hold me back because I'm black ." in the dubiously issued Rat Race .A term used (Rat Race ) to describe white people ? regards the elephant man.

Don't know about your theory but there is a salad named tomango which as suggested in the name a blend of Tomato and Mango with lime juice added along with other ingredients.

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I didn't read your initial post but you won't offend me Boba I fully respect everyones views and if they conflict with mine I take it as a lesson ( every day's a day at school you know ) with full and due respect Simon.

thanks, I think me being a smartass offends some people and that's not my intention in general. have a good holiday.

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Thank you nick but that does not explain why the group name ends in an "E" as in 'GOES

with full respect Simon.

Because they pluralized Tamango?

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Because they pluralized Tamango?

Hi Nick very acceptable in the world of the written English language but in the the world of hidden symbolism , in a country at a time of questionable human right's poluted with fear ? Regards Simon.

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Hi Nick very acceptable in the world of the written English language but in the the world of hidden symbolism , in a country at a time of questionable human right's poluted with fear ? Regards Simon.

I think you meant "polluted" Simon :P

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I think you meant "polluted" Simon :P

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Hey man I've just had a smoke mate it's the best you'll get out of me tonite .rigads Symun.

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Hey man I've just had a smoke mate it's the best you'll get out of me tonite .rigads Symun.

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I would love to know who was responsible for this Amazing record.

From first hearing to present day it's been one of my favourites.

That spelling of Tomangoe's ought to get checked against the other thread regarding use/misuse of the apostrophe :lol:

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That spelling of Tomangoe's ought to get checked against the other thread regarding use/misuse of the apostrophe :lol:

Richard

Brilliant mate LOL

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I doubt it's Dusty Wilson on vocals. Just played Tomangoes and a few Dusty tracks on Youtube, vocals are quite different IMO.

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I doubt it's Dusty Wilson on vocals. Just played Tomangoes and a few Dusty tracks on Youtube, vocals are quite different IMO.

What was the source of the quote that Dusty Wilson was the lead singer (or only singer)? I've heard it from several sources, a few of whom are people who generally know what was going on in Detroit back in the day.

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Intriguing stuff.....The mysteries surrounding some of our revered tunes certainly adds spice to record collecting.....Alas...One of the Best sounds I've ever heard

nonetheless :yes:

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I remember reading, somewhere, that Dusty Wilson was The Tomangoes' lead singer. I don't remember reading that the remainder of the vocals were Bob Seeger's Band. But, it rings a different bell. If I remember correctly, there were only two "Tomangoes, and, maybe Wilson sang lead recorded on one track, and the other member, Wilson and Gino Washington sang the backgrounds on another track. I think they were a studio group only, and didn't make appearances (unless it was the two singers plus an extra making appearances in Gino's shows. I seem to remember that the second singer was a known Detroit singer, as well.

I guess I'm getting senile. There is clearly only one singer on both sides. He sounds like he "COULD" be Dusty Wilson. Not spot on, but close enough to make it unclear that he ISN'T Wilson. Nobody remembers seeing The Tomangoes appear in Detroit. So, clearly, they must have been a "studio invention". With no background voices, I wonder why Washington chose to list a group name on the record (rather than just a made up single-artist name (IF that singer was under contract to another label at the time)?

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I guess I'm getting senile. There is clearly only one singer on both sides. He sounds like he "COULD" be Dusty Wilson. Not spot on, but close enough to make it unclear that he ISN'T Wilson. Nobody remembers seeing The Tomangoes appear in Detroit. So, clearly, they must have been a "studio invention". With no background voices, I wonder why Washington chose to list a group name on the record (rather than just a made up single-artist name (IF that singer was under contract to another label at the time)?

if there is a record with a single singer with no backing group where a group name is credited, it's usually the name of a band

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if there is a record with a single singer with no backing group where a group name is credited, it's usually the name of a band

Yes, I'm aware of that. The Atlantics were the first band that backed up Gino Washington. But, no Detroiters that we know of remember The Tomangoes as a back-up band. So, did Gino Washington just get hold of 2 of Bob Seeger's band tracks, and just have Dusty Wilson (or someone else) record vocals to them, and call them The Tomangoes? Why have several different sources (some of them usually reliable) stated that they had heard that it was Dusty Wilson singing at least one of those 2 recordings, if it IS, indeed, not Dusty Wilson? I don't remember any other connection of Gino Washington to Dusty Wilson. But, of course, the DetroitSoul recording community was relatively small, and almost everyone crossed almost everyone else's path one time or another. I don't see why they wouldn't have met.

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Isn't Ed Wolfrum still around? He commented on SDF a while back (maybe 2001 or 2002. Some SDF people had contact with him. Maybe we can ask him if he remembers who the singer was? Maybe Ralph, Russ or one of the other ex-Motown engineers might still talk to him. Of course, having engineered thousands of sessions, they usually can't remember details like that from 50 years previous.

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Yes, I'm aware of that. The Atlantics were the first band that backed up Gino Washington. But, no Detroiters that we know of remember The Tomangoes as a back-up band. So, did Gino Washington just get hold of 2 of Bob Seeger's band tracks, and just have Dusty Wilson (or someone else) record vocals to them, and call them The Tomangoes? Why have several different sources (some of them usually reliable) stated that they had heard that it was Dusty Wilson singing at least one of those 2 recordings, if it IS, indeed, not Dusty Wilson? I don't remember any other connection of Gino Washington to Dusty Wilson. But, of course, the DetroitSoul recording community was relatively small, and almost everyone crossed almost everyone else's path one time or another. I don't see why they wouldn't have met.

I wasn't disputing your theories about whether it was a studio group or not, just responding to your comment about why there would be a group name on a record that only had a solo singer. thanks.

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I wasn't disputing your theories about whether it was a studio group or not, just responding to your comment about why there would be a group name on a record that only had a solo singer. thanks.

I hadn't thought you were disputing my theories. I am just bringing up questions about The Tomangoes' record, to see if anyone here knows the answers. From what source did the rumour that the backing tracks were from Bob Seeger's band come? I have heard that as well. I know that Gino Washington had connections to the "Detroit Garage Band Scene" as he played at a lot of Colleges and clubs with garage acts. that's how he connected with The Atlantics. He may well have met Bob Seeger that way. He may have leased the tracks from him. But, to me, the Washpan tracks sound more "Soulish" than any Bob Seeger cuts I've heard (A Squared and Cameo). Still, I don't rule anything out. Isn't Gino Washington still alive? If so, why doesn't someone contact him and write his difinitive bio?

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I hadn't thought you were disputing my theories. I am just bringing up questions about The Tomangoes' record, to see if anyone here knows the answers. From what source did the rumour that the backing tracks were from Bob Seeger's band come? I have heard that as well. I know that Gino Washington had connections to the "Detroit Garage Band Scene" as he played at a lot of Colleges and clubs with garage acts. that's how he connected with The Atlantics. He may well have met Bob Seeger that way. He may have leased the tracks from him. But, to me, the Washpan tracks sound more "Soulish" than any Bob Seeger cuts I've heard (A Squared and Cameo). Still, I don't rule anything out. Isn't Gino Washington still alive? If so, why doesn't someone contact him and write his difinitive bio?

Gino Washington is still around in Detroit and performing in the US.

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Hey man I've just had a smoke mate it's the best you'll get out of me tonite .rigads Symun.

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For me The Tomangoe's ticks every box I can think of that every northern record should have.

It's as good as it gets.

Roll this idea around in your head for a bit -

regardless of who is actually fronting the band - with a vocalist that good surely he went onto record other stuff after Washpan?

I doubt he'd have been happy as a background singer so it would have been lead vocal or nothing.

His vocals are quite distinctive and up untill this day I've never heard anybody ever say about a record "blimey that vocalist doesn't half sound like him in The Tomangoe's".

Maybe any other recordings by The Tomangoe's stayed locked in the can.

Imagine in your dreams if an unissued Washpan acetate turned up on Ebay in the near future.......

And whoes to say there aren't any tucked away somewhere in this big wide world?

derek

And bizarrely I don't think I've ever heard the flip side "You've Been Gone So Long" what's it like?

And didn't Gilly once get a couple o' copies of The Tomangoe's whilst hunting out an about in Detroit in the mid 80's?

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Here you go Derek the b side theres a few other things i have uploaded as well

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Here you go Derek the b side theres a few other things i have uploaded as well

That sounds a bit like Dusty.

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Gleaned this info from Norton Records. According to Gino Washington when asked about the Tomangoes, whom he described as "A self contained soul band led by guitarist Dusty Wilson" his recollection is as follows

"I knew the Tomangoes guys pretty well, as a matter of fact, Dusty lived around the block from me and they approsched me about doing some recording with them. He'd been singing for a while and he'd already had a few records out. We went into Pioneer Studios and did the two songs on them and they backed me on my record "What Can A Man Do"

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To back up what Des has said,

I was talking to Gino Washington about four years back about licencing some masters etc and we broached the subject of him and Dusty coming over to England to appear at Prestatyn. The deal proposed was for him to perform "Im So In Love With You", "Ooh Baby", "Like My Baby",I'll Be Around etc and Dusty Wilson would perfom "It's Going To Be A Tragedy", "Can't Do Without You", "Have Some Sympathy" then as a finale they would both perform "I Really Love You"

Dusty at the time wasn't in the best of health and no firm interest came back from the Prestatyn guys so it all just fizzled out, pity :(

Dave

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Hello

Gino told me that Dusty Wilson sang vocals and also played the harmonica.

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Just found out that Gino Washington got the name confused, and that the actual singer on the Tomangoe's recordings is Dusty Williams not Dusty Wilson. 

I only had to move to Detroit to find that one out...

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Gino & Dusty ....... on youtube .........

 

An e-mail address for Dusty is up on the clip. Get in touch with him & ask him the full story.

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Don't start blind buying 45's made by Dusty Williams thinking you might find a NS gem .........

The main 'Dusty Williams' who recorded (for the likes of Boney Records through the 60's) is a hillbilly C&W style singer

 

..... AND .......... don't buy rekids by this Geno by mistake either .........

 

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I remember reading, somewhere, that Dusty Wilson was The Tomangoes' lead singer. I don't remember reading that the remainder of the vocals were Bob Seeger's Band. But, it rings a different bell. If I remember correctly, there were only two "Tomangoes, and, maybe Wilson sang lead recorded on one track, and the other member, Wilson and Gino Washington sang the backgrounds on another track. I think they were a studio group only, and didn't make appearances (unless it was the two singers plus an extra making appearances in Gino's shows. I seem to remember that the second singer was a known Detroit singer, as well.

The UK based guy spells his name Geno Washington. George 'Gino' Washington, owner of Atac, Washpan & Perfecto amongst others is from Detroit.

 

Had several stories on The Tamangoes, have heard that Bob Seeger's band played the backing track, but not sure where from. Gino told me that Dusty was the lead singer and he (Gino) wrote and produced it. I was also told by Gino's sister that her husband was the other vocalist, but I don't have a name for him. Sadly the conversation was cut short by a phone call from Gino, when I was round her house. Gino say's he did not sing on the track in any way.

 

To take the Washington family tree a bit further, Gino's brother is Grady Washington who had a stunning 80's CD LP 'Lets be more than friends' on Hitz, then later released on Snowball, both supa hard to find. Gino's nephew is Keith Washington, who had much success in the 80's.

 

Last bit of trivia, is that Gwen Owens sang backing for some of Gino's 60's recordings, she can be heard on the intro and backing to 'Girl here I am' on Atac

 

As a PS, Gino for some reason or another is always very sketchy on the Tamangoes track when you speak to him. He has a fairly big ego and if I had to make a guess, I think it ercks him a bit that everyone want to talk to him about that rather than his own recordings.

 

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Last bit on the subject Gino Washington, also recorded as Sir George 'I lost you girl' on G&G. Grady Washington was also a member of the Purple Gang singing group, that had releases on Grade A in the 80's. They took their name from a notorious street gang that used to run on The West Side back in the day.

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Last bit on the subject Gino Washington, also recorded as Sir George 'I lost you girl' on G&G. Grady Washington was also a member of the Purple Gang singing group, that had releases on Grade A in the 80's. They took their name from a notorious street gang that used to run on The West Side back in the day.

 

just to quibble: the Purple Gang was an EAST side gang during the prohibition era - they brought in whiskey from Canada & shipped it to Al Capone in Chicago.  I think the singing group were also east siders...

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just to quibble: the Purple Gang was an EAST side gang during the prohibition era - they brought in whiskey from Canada & shipped it to Al Capone in Chicago.  I think the singing group were also east siders...

I stand corrected, but Grady is definitely from the West Side

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ok, the information I got was from a member of Monofide who said 'the Purple Gang' lived 'one street over' or somesuch

 

the East Side has a long standing reputation for being 'rough' - I think there were 3 East Side neighborhoods in the 'Top Ten Worst Neighborhoods in the US'

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he smirked when I mentioned the Purple Gang 'She's A He She' 45 

 

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