Sheldonsoul Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 I remember a guy from Wigan 78ish who I bought a chapter 5 issue from with no centre, the record was massive at the time, can't even remember how much it cost me, all I remember is the guys name was hovis and he hung around with a smaller guy ,I think they were from Leeds maybe Sheffield way. They were always in the record bar at wc doin some hustling and trading bigger sounds, basically try to have people over, any clues to who they were!, it's cool don't worry I'm not after any money back or redemption after all these years lol. Just curious about who they were Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest in town Mikey Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 I remember a guy from Wigan 78ish who I bought a chapter 5 issue from with no centre, the record was massive at the time, can't even remember how much it cost me, all I remember is the guys name was hovis and he hung around with a smaller guy ,I think they were from Leeds maybe Sheffield way. They were always in the record bar at wc doin some hustling and trading bigger sounds, basically try to have people over, any clues to who they were!, it's cool don't worry I'm not after any money back or redemption after all these years lol. Just curious about who they were Which blows the misconception of - nowt taken out. Hat Coat Gone Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sheldonsoul Posted January 8, 2012 Author Share Posted January 8, 2012 Someone's gotta remember him,a proper character & a wide boy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Keithw Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 have it in my head he d j ed in Ms at one time but thats just my imagination prob. what was mark lehart knick name ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 He was from York wasn't he, always discovered British stuff and supplied them to Alan Rhodes, used to see him most mornings after the Casino, Paul will remember (60s soulboy). He found Charlie Gracie and John Drevars. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cunnie Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Strange thing is I used to hang around in the record bar at Wigan, used to be from Sheffield & my nickname at work was Hovis but it's not me as I wasn't given this nickname until about 1995 & if anyone calls it me now I'll glass e'm Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Harry Crosby Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 He was from York wasn't he, always discovered British stuff and supplied them to Alan Rhodes, used to see him most mornings after the Casino, Paul will remember (60s soulboy). He found Charlie Gracie and John Drevars. Your maybe thinking of Chris Holmes Pete, he was a big british collector [still has his records] seem to remember the name Hovis myself though Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest allnightandy Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 The Hovis i remember came from Shaw nr Oldham Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sheldonsoul Posted January 8, 2012 Author Share Posted January 8, 2012 He was from York wasn't he, always discovered British stuff and supplied them to Alan Rhodes, used to see him most mornings after the Casino, Paul will remember (60s soulboy). He found Charlie Gracie and John Drevars. Think I remember the John drevars connection, he had proper curly hair cut quite neat and his mate was smaller with a biggish nose and always flogging a copy of benzine vot. Always felt dubious of em whenever they looked at my box, proper pair of sharks lol Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 The Hovis i remember came from Shaw nr Oldham Could be. Probably said York cos Alan Rhodes was from there. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest allnightandy Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Could be. Probably said York cos Alan Rhodes was from there. Yeh the Hovis i knew had very tight curlie hair he had a mate with a large nose and another mate who was on the large side but the other member of his group was a young girl called i think Julie or Jackie she worked at Thorn lighting in Shaw , and apart from really fancying her (she was lovely) she used to print out large wants lists for me at work , a large bundle of which i have just pulled out of my desk now ! at the time i also went with out gear , but could sometimes get my hands on some , so i used to give it to her and she would sell it for me to fund my other habbit (Records) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 His name was Derek Oversby. A bunch of us from Oldham used to go the Casino together and initially it was me, him, Rob Caulfield aka 'Tan' and few others including a kid called Vas whose real name I can't remember. The girls were Anita (aka Kit Kat Kate), Julie and Cath. I eventually drifted away from that crowd and started hanging around with Rod Shard and Dave Withers in the back bar. Don't recall him being particularly dodgy, especially in the context of the time when trying to be a bit of a hustler was kind of normalised I think Hovis Djd in Mr Ms for a while when I had some time off after discovering punk. When I started going back again after about a year Hovis was in to 2 tone and more or less off the scene. Some of the timeline and spelling of names above is probably wrong. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest allnightandy Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 His name was Derek Oversby. A bunch of us from Oldham used to go the Casino together and initially it was me, him, Rob Caulfield aka 'Tan' and few others including a kid called Vas whose real name I can't remember. The girls were Anita (aka Kit Kat Kate), Julie and Cath. I eventually drifted away from that crowd and started hanging around with Rod Shard and Dave Withers in the back bar. Don't recall him being particularly dodgy, especially in the context of the time when trying to be a bit of a hustler was kind of normalised I think Hovis Djd in Mr Ms for a while when I had some time off after discovering punk. When I started going back again after about a year Hovis was in to 2 tone and more or less off the scene. Some of the timeline and spelling of names above is probably wrong. Did you used to meet up with us in Rowntrees sound in Manchester ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Did you used to meet up with us in Rowntrees sound in Manchester ? Indeed I did mate. That was where I saw Martin Ellis do the most disgusting thing I'd ever seen. Also in the gang were Carts and Scottish Kenny. Earlier one there were Pemmy (Tony Pemberton) a guy with a polish name (John Wojowski or something like that?) My memory of those times is really fading nowadays though. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest allnightandy Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 (edited) Indeed I did mate. That was where I saw Martin Ellis do the most disgusting thing I'd ever seen. Also in the gang were Carts and Scottish Kenny. Earlier one there were Pemmy (Tony Pemberton) a guy with a polish name (John Wojowski or something like that?) My memory of those times is really fading nowadays though. Well i was part of that crew , Me , Carts and Tom Ryan used to come down from Prestwich to meet up with Withers McCadden and groups from Stockport Hull Blackley and of course you lot from Shaw Edited January 8, 2012 by allnightandy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 We'll know each other then Andy. Not best resolution but I'm bottom right, wearing tweed trousers and sleeveless cardie, selling records. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest allnightandy Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 We'll know each other then Andy. Not best resolution but I'm bottom right, wearing tweed trousers and sleeveless cardie, selling records. Hard to see but you do look familiar Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Don't think I was ever dodgy - might have a big nose though! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest allnightandy Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Don't think I was ever dodgy - might have a big nose though! It's not as big as i thought ! LoL it was the Original poster who said you were dodgy which made me wonder if he was on about the same Hovis Do you still see any of them ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soulman Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Strange thing is I used to hang around in the record bar at Wigan, used to be from Sheffield & my nickname at work was Hovis but it's not me as I wasn't given this nickname until about 1995 & if anyone calls it me now I'll glass e'm Alright Hovis.... How ya doing? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 (edited) It's not as big as i thought ! LoL it was the Original poster who said you were dodgy which made me wonder if he was on about the same Hovis Do you still see any of them ? Yeah was just kidding. My nose might be a bit on the largish side but I don't think I was the guy the topic starter was talking about. During that period Hovis would have been knocking around with someone else as I was more in the Rod/Dave gang when I came back. Hovis turned into a proper wheeler dealer during my time off and I guess he was a prototype 'hot boxer' as he always had a handful of top sounds but got them by selling all off last month's records. I was more of a hardcore collector and at the risk of being immodest, my collection would have wiped the floor with his before I sold up for the first time. Tan and I stayed friends for quite a while and we both got into post punk stuff and used to go and see bands at the Ritz. Kind of drifted apart eventually and in 1983 I moved to Oxford, then went to London and ended up here in Scarborough and never had any contact with that old crowd again. Life's changed since then and I don't really look back. Speaking of which, the beach is calling. Nice to chat Edited January 8, 2012 by Godzilla Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest proudlove Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Indeed I did mate. That was where I saw Martin Ellis do the most disgusting thing I'd ever seen. Also in the gang were Carts and Scottish Kenny. Earlier one there were Pemmy (Tony Pemberton) a guy with a polish name (John Wojowski or something like that?) My memory of those times is really fading nowadays though. Carts was at Radcliffe on Boxing night Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Raistrick Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 The last time l saw Hovis was in the record bar at Wigan, always had him down as a pal of Rod Shard, Dave Withers. We bought and sold a few times. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
soulfulmick Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Strange thing is I used to hang around in the record bar at Wigan, used to be from Sheffield & my nickname at work was Hovis but it's not me as I wasn't given this nickname until about 1995 & if anyone calls it me now I'll glass e'm Would that be Hovis Cunnie or Cunnie Hovis then Mart Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Otis Smith Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 I cannot add a lot to this thread, apart from at wigan, hovis, hung around the stage at wigan, right hand side, facing stage, and when I knew him, indeed was very good aquaintance, with Alan Rhodes. Hovis was responsible, for nightwatch-lips to your heart. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest east rob Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Yeah was just kidding. My nose might be a bit on the largish side but I don't think I was the guy the topic starter was talking about. During that period Hovis would have been knocking around with someone else as I was more in the Rod/Dave gang when I came back. Hovis turned into a proper wheeler dealer during my time off and I guess he was a prototype 'hot boxer' as he always had a handful of top sounds but got them by selling all off last month's records. I was more of a hardcore collector and at the risk of being immodest, my collection would have wiped the floor with his before I sold up for the first time. Tan and I stayed friends for quite a while and we both got into post punk stuff and used to go and see bands at the Ritz. Kind of drifted apart eventually and in 1983 I moved to Oxford, then went to London and ended up here in Scarborough and never had any contact with that old crowd again. Life's changed since then and I don't really look back. Speaking of which, the beach is calling. Nice to chat Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest east rob Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 So, you dont have contact with any of that crowd..... you do now! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 So, you dont have contact with any of that crowd..... you do now! Eastbourne? Don't suppose you ever worked at a holiday camp on Hayling Island? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sheldonsoul Posted January 8, 2012 Author Share Posted January 8, 2012 I cannot add a lot to this thread, apart from at wigan, hovis, hung around the stage at wigan, right hand side, facing stage, and when I knew him, indeed was very good aquaintance, with Alan Rhodes. Hovis was responsible, for nightwatch-lips to your heart. Lips to your heart!!!!! That's the bastard lol Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest east rob Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Eastbourne? Don't suppose you ever worked at a holiday camp on Hayling Island? might have, how ya doin P.T.? long time no see! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest east rob Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 I cannot add a lot to this thread, apart from at wigan, hovis, hung around the stage at wigan, right hand side, facing stage, and when I knew him, indeed was very good aquaintance, with Alan Rhodes. Hovis was responsible, for nightwatch-lips to your heart. As godzilla said, hovis was from Oldham, & you are correct in thinking thats where our crowd hung around.(front right of stage) or the record bar we will most likely know each other if you were mates with hovis at the time. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest MrC Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 He was from York wasn't he, always discovered British stuff and supplied them to Alan Rhodes, used to see him most mornings after the Casino, Paul will remember (60s soulboy). He found Charlie Gracie and John Drevars. I cannot add a lot to this thread, apart from at wigan, hovis, hung around the stage at wigan, right hand side, facing stage, and when I knew him, indeed was very good aquaintance, with Alan Rhodes. Hovis was responsible, for nightwatch-lips to your heart. All absolutely correct, apart from the fact that Charlie Gracie UK Demo that Alan Rhodes had cost a fiver, and had been in the very back of some guys sale box in the record bar at Wigan for about 6 weeks - £5 - Alan and Hovis had both seen it, I kept looking at it myself and couldn't decide whether to risk it or not... then one night Alan said, I bought that red & white demo, I'll play it for you and you'll kick yourself!" - he did, and I did! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) might have, how ya doin P.T.? long time no see! You too mate! Gonna PM you before this bit gets boring to others Edited January 9, 2012 by Godzilla Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 All absolutely correct, apart from the fact that Charlie Gracie UK Demo that Alan Rhodes had cost a fiver, and had been in the very back of some guys sale box in the record bar at Wigan for about 6 weeks - £5 - Alan and Hovis had both seen it, I kept looking at it myself and couldn't decide whether to risk it or not... then one night Alan said, I bought that red & white demo, I'll play it for you and you'll kick yourself!" - he did, and I did! He must have two then because he originally played it off a no centre Stateside issue, I went up and looked at it Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest MrC Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) He must have two then because he originally played it off a no centre Stateside issue, I went up and looked at it It did have no centre - but was definitely a demo he played 1st time at the Casino Unless the demo was Hovis's. He did play a few of his records every week Edited January 9, 2012 by MrC Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modernsoulsucks Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Nowt really to add to your recollections Paul apart from Scottish Kenny [Graham was his surname I think] died a few years back. ROD Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete Eccles Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) Nowt really to add to your recollections Paul apart from Scottish Kenny [Graham was his surname I think] died a few years back. ROD So Hovis is still with us but Scottish Kenny is brown bread, Sorry Edited January 9, 2012 by Pete60 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Nowt really to add to your recollections Paul apart from Scottish Kenny [Graham was his surname I think] died a few years back. ROD Ahh, sorry to hear that Rod. You just catch up with one old mate and find you've lost another. Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modernsoulsucks Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Yep. I got very friendly with him in late 90's when I had my stall in Manchester. Troubled lad. Committed suicide I believe. ROD Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest allnightandy Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Yep. I got very friendly with him in late 90's when I had my stall in Manchester. Troubled lad. Committed suicide I believe. ROD Hi Rod have you heard anything from Dave Withers of late ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Hi Rod have you heard anything from Dave Withers of late ? He runs a pole dancing bar in Hawaii Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest allnightandy Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 He runs a pole dancing bar in Hawaii Really ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) Really ? Nah - just kidding Taxman finally caught up with him and he's now doing a long stretch at her majesty's Edited January 9, 2012 by Godzilla Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest allnightandy Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Nah - just kidding Taxman finally caught up with him and he's now doing a long stretch at her majesty's last time i spoke to him he was living in the US but i cant remember where Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modernsoulsucks Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Yes in regular contact with Dave. Obviously Paul is having you on. He only dances at the club. He doesn't run it. ROD Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
casinocasualty Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Someone's gotta remember him,a proper character & a wide boy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete Eccles Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Come on Ronnie, spit it out 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest proudlove Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Bless...hes gone all shy...... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
casinocasualty Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Hovis.... yeh knew him well, from oldham same as me, infact only spoke to him 2 months back. also that lass Kath who worked at osram in shaw, was my wife, sadly passed away in the 90s. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest mickeyb Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 He was from York wasn't he, always discovered British stuff and supplied them to Alan Rhodes, used to see him most mornings after the Casino, Paul will remember (60s soulboy). He found Charlie Gracie and John Drevars. John Drevars Expression were a 60's band from Southampton (slightly moddy) and well known to everyone there. Pretty sure Shay ( who I believe was from down that way) played it at Yate in '76 or '77 and was the first to play it. It was his big tune (sound) at the time. Happy to be proved wrong, but credit where it's due Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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