Mace Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 Recently got a vinyl promo copy that I am sure is a boot, but somewhat thrown by Manships pics. The label looks like pic 447a in the guide (no lines on label), which Manship states as original styrene promo with black text. Any help would be appreciated. Regards Mace Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russ Vickers Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 Wasnt there two label variations of the demo ? Russ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest BAKUNIN Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 Have a feeling Johnny Fingers was up on this info but have lost contact mate ATB ROB Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 There's three Russ, two white labels, black lettering and red lettering and black label with silver lettering. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Robbk Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 There were AT LEAST two variations of the white DJ-2 different pressing plant issues. Different script fonts (size and thickness). Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 coz its a an early american arts 45 its the white issue that was booted,,,,orig on styrene boot on vinyl/plastic Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Trev Thomas Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 two white demo designs one with lines one without, both on styrene, the boot is a copy of the design with out the lines pressed on vinyl Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 early issues were white..later ones were black, dont assume coz the label is white its a promo Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Robbk Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 (edited) This is the first store-stock (although treated like a DJ copy - with "plug side' marked). Edited May 6, 2012 by RobbK Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 thats the one that was booted robb. all the earlier ones came out on this design but the later ones i.e the volumes i kust cant help myself didnt Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mal C Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Wasn't ia all styrene are orig, Vinyl are boots, or something like that? m Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
sepia Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 i always assumed boots were vinyl with moulded on labels. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 i always assumed boots were vinyl with moulded on labels. you`d be right Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 thats the one that was booted robb. all the earlier ones came out on this design but the later ones i.e the volumes i kust cant help myself didnt isn't there a boot of the white one with lines, vinyl. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 either same as or like this one.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 either same as or like this one.... dont think so chalks.i cant recall seeing one Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 dont think so chalks.i cant recall seeing one thought I'd seen a vinyl boot with the lines as well....maybe not then. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mace Posted May 7, 2012 Author Share Posted May 7, 2012 either same as or like this one.... That's what threw me Chalky, cus Manship has that design label down as a vinyl boot (pic 447 in Manships 5th Edition) Looks like I opened a can of worms then! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mak Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 either same as or like this one.... Seen lots of copies like this one Chalky , and they all have ''Not for sale '' scrubbed off . Whats that all about ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Seen lots of copies like this one Chalky , and they all have ''Not for sale '' scrubbed off . Whats that all about ? Dunno, they might think it is illegal to sell a record with "not for sale" on it? The scan I posted went really cheap as well so if an original someone got a bargain. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mrtag Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 two white demo designs one with lines one without, both on styrene, the boot is a copy of the design with out the lines pressed on vinyl Correct!!!........... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mick Holdsworth Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 This is the boot from late '83 / early '84 (vinyl, not styrene)... Cheers Mick Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 either same as or like this one.... Mines the same................... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 (edited) Dunno, they might think it is illegal to sell a record with "not for sale" on it? The scan I posted went really cheap as well so if an original someone got a bargain. I once bought about 6 copies of Johnny Sayles St Lawrence demos and the seller had scrubbed off all of the "DJ Copy" on them when I asked he said he didn't think it was legal to sell them with the text still on it. Edited May 8, 2012 by Chris L 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Damian Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) So, resurrecting this old thread for a split second.. ALL black-label discs are the real deal, right? What about machine-stamped vs handwritten matrix? I'm looking at one with the latter (black label, appears to be stuck on and not molded - attaching a 3-sec video I got of it). Cheers! Bobbie Smith - IMG_1551.MOV Edited March 31, 2016 by damian Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Robbk Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 3 hours ago, damian said: So, resurrecting this old thread for a split second.. ALL black-label discs are the real deal, right? What about machine-stamped vs handwritten matrix? I'm looking at one with the latter (black label, appears to be stuck on and not molded - attaching a 3-sec video I got of it). Cheers! Bobbie Smith - IMG_1551.MOV ALL my original 1964-66 American Arts singles, whether black or white, have hand engraved rather than machined stamped matrix numbers, and they ALL have pasted paper rather than moulded labels. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Damian Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Thanks Rob, looks like I've found a proper original then 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Damian Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 I don't f'n believe this. I bought that fine original and it arrived a few days back.. I'm out of town but my sister tells me 'this one feels kind of flimsy for a record. Want me to open it?' It was, indeed, a record - that gorgeous black label original above. But in a regular bubble envelope without so much as a piece of cardboard and cracked in half. I DON'T F--KING BELIEVE THIS. Plus it was a private sale so I'm out £65 (good price, too) unless the seller decides to do right - which I'm willing to be he will not. Do people not realize the VALUE of things?! (excuse me, needed to vent) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 14 minutes ago, damian said: I don't f'n believe this. I bought that fine original and it arrived a few days back.. I'm out of town but my sister tells me 'this one feels kind of flimsy for a record. Want me to open it?' It was, indeed, a record - that gorgeous black label original above. But in a regular bubble envelope without so much as a piece of cardboard and cracked in half. I DON'T F--KING BELIEVE THIS. Plus it was a private sale so I'm out £65 (good price, too) unless the seller decides to do right - which I'm willing to be he will not. Do people not realize the VALUE of things?! (excuse me, needed to vent) Take as many pictures as possible showing how packed then add picture of how it should be packed, give him/her the responsibility of fixing it. Good luck. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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