Guest Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 (edited) Even earlier, I think stuff like Keith Daylight Savin' Time, Gary Lewis & The Playboys My Heart Symphony, The Ventures Hawaii 5 O were 1974, PeteS will confirm this. I have great memories of 1975, ´cos it was when I started going up there. I don't think anyone's in denial. There were a quite a few awful records played throughout the venue's history, but also some quite a few fabulous tunes too. The good outstrips the bad in my opinion. We've been here before, ain't we? Apart from H50.....the others were at least a couple of years later than that macca! Ok, is it a better record than Love You Baby ??? Kegsy I don't believe anyone would need to ask that question Edited July 25, 2012 by Guest Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Yes - Yes & Yes !!!!! He stated that it was better than Cajun Hart version?????? its not even better than being shot!! Thank god ive never heard it since Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
macca Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Apart from H50.....the others were at least a couple of years later than that macca! really? could have sworn I'd heard keith & gary lewis on one of pete's wigan podcasts, played by russ and richard respectively... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Corbett80 Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 I'm a soul lover and I hate: Anything southern - full of morons who can't sing Disco and any sort of 70's soul - namby pamby crap The Four Tops and The Temptations - Detroit? do me a favour! Tuneless wonders Anything on RCA Funk - Fatback band nonsense Especially can't stand The Impressions and or Curtis Mayfield - hugely over rated and second rate. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Ok, is it a better record than Love You Baby ??? Kegsy I personally think it's a better record than Love You Baby, and Billy Sharae's version is nothing compared to Eddie Parkers'. Thats just me mind. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Apart from H50.....the others were at least a couple of years later than that macca! I don't believe anyone would need to ask that question No they weren't Steve, they were 74. Don't ask me to prove it because it'll break your heart hearing Richard Searling playing Gary Lewis in 1974. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 really? could have sworn I'd heard keith & gary lewis on one of pete's wigan podcasts, played by russ and richard respectively... You're right Macca. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
macca Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 I'm a soul lover and I hate: Anything southern - full of morons who can't sing Disco and any sort of 70's soul - namby pamby crap The Four Tops and The Temptations - Detroit? do me a favour! Tuneless wonders Anything on RCA Funk - Fatback band nonsense Especially can't stand The Impressions and or Curtis Mayfield - hugely over rated and second rate. Just a little contentious, Joel! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Matt Male Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 I'm a soul lover and I hate: Anything southern - full of morons who can't sing Disco and any sort of 70's soul - namby pamby crap The Four Tops and The Temptations - Detroit? do me a favour! Tuneless wonders Anything on RCA Funk - Fatback band nonsense Especially can't stand The Impressions and or Curtis Mayfield - hugely over rated and second rate. Blimey, and I thought I was being controversial saying I didn't like the Mello Souls. By southern do you mean the Muscle Shoals sound? Stax, Goldwax, Hi Records etc... Personally I love the harder edged soul of the south. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simsy Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 I'm a soul lover and I hate: Anything southern - full of morons who can't sing Disco and any sort of 70's soul - namby pamby crap The Four Tops and The Temptations - Detroit? do me a favour! Tuneless wonders Anything on RCA Funk - Fatback band nonsense Especially can't stand The Impressions and or Curtis Mayfield - hugely over rated and second rate. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
macca Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 You're right Macca. Cheers. So it was 1974 then, same tape as Footsee getting a couple of spins? That tape had the hairs on the back of me neck stand on end. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 No they weren't Steve, they were 74. Don't ask me to prove it because it'll break your heart hearing Richard Searling playing Gary Lewis in 1974. I know your memory is better than mine Pete so ill stand corrected.....I got married in 74 for the 1st time so my mind was not as it should have been back then Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 I know your memory is better than mine Pete so ill stand corrected.....I got married in 74 for the 1st time so my mind was not as it should have been back then I know where you're coming from Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
John Reed Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 I'm a soul lover and I hate: Anything southern - full of morons who can't sing Disco and any sort of 70's soul - namby pamby crap The Four Tops and The Temptations - Detroit? do me a favour! Tuneless wonders Anything on RCA Funk - Fatback band nonsense Especially can't stand The Impressions and or Curtis Mayfield - hugely over rated and second rate. Just out of interest, what do you like? 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Just a little contentious, Joel! Think he's on a wind up... 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chas Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Here we go again,conversation is plummeting...yawn. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Marc Forrest Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Think he's on a wind up... ...and a bit frustrated. understandably somehow. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Greety Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Thism is going to upset a few elitists out there. The Mello Souls. Stomping frantic, tuneless tosh!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest in town Mikey Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Thism is going to upset a few elitists out there. The Mello Souls. Stomping frantic, tuneless tosh!! This was originally released on Matt Male Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 ...and a bit frustrated. understandably somehow. but a quick look at the first page says that you were one of the early posters ? in fact if if you look at the majority of posters they are all long time members and to a certain degree the talk is fairly run of the mill only negative side that concerns me is people jumping in and trying to make out this thread is something that it aint Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest gordon russell Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Thism is going to upset a few elitists out there. The Mello Souls. Stomping frantic, tuneless tosh!! hello dave..............you can,t say thaaaaaaat!.......you,ve just shattered the holy grail lol Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Here we go again,conversation is plummeting...yawn. Improve it then Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Linda4me Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 No, I just don't see the point of having a discussion about anything if nobody is allowed to say they don't like something. I don't like black pudding, I'm not going to say I like it just to make you happy am I... Who recorded that Pete Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Jeanette Harper.Bad,bad record Jeanette.......but filled the floors,fitted the bill bitd. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Moore Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 I know it's been done before but any chance I get to ridicule the out of tune dirge that is George Lemons - Fascinating Girl - Gold Soul, I'm afraid I'm gonna grab it with both hands! Jeeze, where to start? Musically, iIt has the appealing atmosphere of a poorly tuned Salvation Army band. And a Salvation Army band that has been forced to play in driving rainy weather conditions on a s remote a spot as say...Ilkley Moor. And bart' their hats! George has obviously been listening to his Mum when she told him he could sing as no one in their right mind thinks he can hold a tune surely? And to think that this was recorded at Terra Shirma? Perish the thought! Sorry to have contributed to the plummeting of the conversation but any action, no matter how infinitesimal in the grand scheme of things, that may even remotely prevent any DJ with painted on 'lugoyles' pulling this from his Saturday night 'hotbox', simply has to be utilised. Regards, Dave 3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 George Lemons is often ridiculed but it rams the dance floor every time it is played, always has done. Maybe it is the records failings that make it so appealing? Maybe dancers just don't care what anoraks think 3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 but a quick look at the first page says that you were one of the early posters ? in fact if if you look at the majority of posters they are all long time members and to a certain degree the talk is fairly run of the mill only negative side that concerns me is people jumping in and trying to make out this thread is something that it aint I like threads like this because it's always fascinating to see what other peoples tastes are. I think to myself "How can anyone NOT like Frankie Crocker" while at the same time, someone else thinks "How can anyone LIKE Frankie Crocker". If people don't like the thread, just leave it alone and let those who are enjoying it carry on enjoying it. 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Have to agree with Spanish Dave re "Fascinating girl". About as "fascinating" as yesterdays left over Cat food to my ears. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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Dave Moore Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 George Lemons is often ridiculed but it rams the dance floor every time it is played, always has done. Maybe it is the records failings that make it so appealing? Maybe dancers just don't care what anoraks think So did "My Hearts Symphony" by Gary Lewis and The Playboys......don't make it a gud 'un tho does it Chalky lad. :lol: Anorak?? How very DARE you?! Regards, Dave 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest gordon russell Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 (edited) Surely part of the appeal is that a lot of these tunes were not well produced,didn,t have great voices...in short were not nice slick productions,but have that raw edged appeal we all like.......to my mind it all went wrong in the 70's when they started to get that way......luther van dross ect ect ect Edited July 25, 2012 by gordon russell Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Popular Post Garethx Posted July 25, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2012 I used to think badly of George Lemons but my opinion of the record has changed, funnily enough it may be down to membership on here. Everything Dave Moore says about it is probably technically true, yet its very faults conspire to create something beyond the simple sum of its parts. The key change in the middle of the record (accompanied by the line "You have heard me talk about... about the distant skies") is actually very musical: far away and above a run of the mill, generic R&B (in the widest sense of the word) record. Yes, George Lemons was not the greatest singer in the world, but if vocal quality were the sole qualifying criteria for a Northern Soul smash we wouldn't have too much to talk about. Gordon Russell is correct in identifying the rough, raw street level appeal of much of this music as a major part of its attraction. What's the antidote: "Ain't No Mountain High Enough" twelve times a night? 4 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest gordon russell Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Yes, George Lemons was not the greatest singer in the world, but if vocal quality were the sole qualifying criteria for a Northern Soul smash we wouldn't have too much to talk about. Gordon Russell is correct in identifying the rough, raw street level appeal of much of this music as a major part of its attraction. What's the antidote: "Ain't No Mountain High Enough" twelve times a night? ah! you,ve been to the worlds no1 allnighter then Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cunnie Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Eh? I thought Defected was owned by Simon Dunmore (old 100club goer) Bob Sinclair owns Yellow recs in France. But yeah it's a God awful record I stand corrected Tony. It was Simon Dunmore. Sinclair did Defected's first album but think I was confused by the D Train stuff like 'Darlin' Noticed nobody has dared to come out & support the as you rightly call it 'God awful record' for fear of eternal ridicule Tribute my arse.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 I stand corrected Tony. It was Simon Dunmore. Sinclair did Defected's first album but think I was confused by the D Train stuff like 'Darlin' Noticed nobody has dared to come out & support the as you rightly call it 'God awful record' for fear of eternal ridicule Tribute my arse.... I knew Dunmore back in the 80's, still to say hello to. He was good mates of Ivor Jones back then another old Mod from West London What cracks me up is people will slag off The Carstairs (shame on you call yourselves soul fans) and not say a word about that Tribute shit. There are thousands of far far better House tracks too. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cunnie Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 I knew Dunmore back in the 80's, still to say hello to. He was good mates of Ivor Jones back then another old Mod from West London What cracks me up is people will slag off The Carstairs (shame on you call yourselves soul fans) and not say a word about that Tribute shit. There are thousands of far far better House tracks too. Exactly the point I was trying to make. Funny how most of the time when the Northern scene pick up on a so called House track it's a crap one. Tribute, Joi Cardwell, Mr Day (who ain't that bad really but why oh why Soul On Wax), Tribute To Betty etc. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Joy Cardwell wasn't a bad record i just couldn't understand the hype about it when there is thousands as good and better. On the House scene it was just another record Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cunnie Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Joy Cardwell wasn't a bad record i just couldn't understand the hype about it when there is thousands as good and better. On the House scene it was just another record Agreed Tony. Played it as a new release for a few weeks then dropped it. Seem to get a lot of requests for it now though but always pitch it down as it's way too fast for my old legs. Yeah, get the tar back on the boil for Cunnie as he's admitted to pitching records down.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest brian smith Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Dean Parrish - Broken Bottles and Sticks Jerry naylor - City Lights Seven Souls - I Still Love You. All Shite IMHO. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest brian smith Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 I'm a soul lover and I hate: Anything southern - full of morons who can't sing Disco and any sort of 70's soul - namby pamby crap The Four Tops and The Temptations - Detroit? do me a favour! Tuneless wonders Anything on RCA Funk - Fatback band nonsense Especially can't stand The Impressions and or Curtis Mayfield - hugely over rated and second rate. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest brian smith Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Gobsmacked at The Tops and Temps and also The Impressions and Curtis Mayfield These are IMHO of course as good as it gets. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Droylsdonian Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 I heard this played out somewhere, no idea where, but would be 73-79 - I'll hazard a guess at the Ritz . It ain't even music let alone soul. BTW, as part of the refurb, did they cure that tap that was running constantly since about 77? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
jocko Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Ah Joel, the irony of ironic humour sailing over 99% of peoples heads. .And altenatively, never a truer word spoken in jest. I know that feeling......... 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pjf Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 I'm a soul lover and I hate: Anything southern - full of morons who can't sing Disco and any sort of 70's soul - namby pamby crap The Four Tops and The Temptations - Detroit? do me a favour! Tuneless wonders Anything on RCA Funk - Fatback band nonsense Especially can't stand The Impressions and or Curtis Mayfield - hugely over rated and second rate. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pjf Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 What,Four Tops,Temptations,Impressions..........must be a wind up! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Correct a wind up. Joel is a good fisherman, reels em in all the time Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 (edited) I heard this played out somewhere, no idea where, but would be 73-79 - I'll hazard a guess at the Ritz . It ain't even music let alone soul. BTW, as part of the refurb, did they cure that tap that was running constantly since about 77? makes george lemons sound like leroy hutson....i love george lemons tho and madelines version of above tune Edited July 26, 2012 by dave pinch Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Daved Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Agreed Tony. Played it as a new release for a few weeks then dropped it. Seem to get a lot of requests for it now though but always pitch it down as it's way too fast for my old legs. Yeah, get the tar back on the boil for Cunnie as he's admitted to pitching records down.... I like Joi Caldwell. Agree about Mr. Day. It's a nothing tune. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 What,Four Tops,Temptations,Impressions..........must be a wind up! its gotta be.. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 darlin by bob sinclar is great but that tribute is f**kin terrible 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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