Sunnysoul Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 So often people talk about there being a bootleg 45 of this (done in the 70's) but , after all these years, I've yet to see one .... either in the flesh or in a photo. Anyone have a photo of a bootleg copy or can give clear and detailed pointers on how to spot the bootleg ... if it even exists , that is ??? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 its the one on the plain creamy yellow label thats alegedly the boot, it is stamped and from the same plate but on vinyl rather than styrene. folks have been sayin its a boot from the year dot....well1973 anyway .. not 100% convinced myself just represses after the record was played maybe Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 label is beige with all print in brown - it does have a have a bell sound stamp (compare it to any other release on the label and it sticks out like a blind cobblers thumb) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sunnysoul Posted September 21, 2012 Author Share Posted September 21, 2012 Is this a real one or a boot ? https://www.popsike.com/Northern-soul-THE-VOICES-OF-EAST-HARLEM-CASHING-IN/250182927726.html Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
John Reed Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 (edited) Is this a real one or a boot ? https://www.popsike.c...0182927726.html Always thought that was the boot. The only other one i've seen like that was the Peter Fink release and that was a special demo and this one doesn't state its a demo Edited September 21, 2012 by John Reed Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 That's the 'boot' / reissue / dubious issue. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sunnysoul Posted September 21, 2012 Author Share Posted September 21, 2012 https://www.popsike.com/Northern-Soul-Wigan-Classic-VOICES-OF-EAST-HARLEM-Cashing-In-LISTEN/350499189736.html Look at the font on this .... and the title on separate lines. Real or boot ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 100% real. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sunnysoul Posted September 21, 2012 Author Share Posted September 21, 2012 Surely the demo must be uncommon ? https://www.popsike.com/northern-soul-voices-of-east-harlem-cashing-in-demo/120283235818.html Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Diddy Morgan Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 1st demo ive ever seen Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 (edited) As far as my grey matter remembers there are no "boots" of this, in the traditional sense, only 2nd pressings by the original label. This is my copy (for sale) Demo Later issue with text on 2 lines Later pressing Lastly an original with a very slightly different label. Wasn't (isn't) a massive rare record wouldn't have thought booting was worth it an original can be found, what the going rate £40 - 50 ? Edited September 21, 2012 by Chris L Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 (edited) Is this a real one or a boot ? https://www.popsike.c...0182927726.html thats the one i was on about.,, whatever the origin it was done to meet demand on the uk soul scene and would not exist otherwise....the one joe mentions i cant say ive seen that one Edited September 21, 2012 by dave pinch Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Prophonics 2029 Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I had 2 from the same stamper Bell Stamped, one like Chris L's first copy then the other is like the Stereo one but smaller text. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jim G Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 (edited) Always thought the one below was a Boot I bought mine in '75 as a boot IF it was genuine, it is news to me! you live and (sometimes) learn! There is also one for sale on EBay and the seller states is a boot.. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Northern-Soul-Voices-Of-East-Harlem-Cashing-In-Reissue-/271062310733?pt=UK_Records&hash=item3f1c929f4d#ht_500wt_1288 Edited September 21, 2012 by jim g Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Always thought the one below was a Boot I bought mine in '75 as a boot IF it was genuine, it is news to me! you live and (sometimes) learn! There is also one for sale on EBay and the seller states is a boot.. https://www.ebay.co.u...d#ht_500wt_1288 it could well be jim. certainly done to meet demand when it first went big, its got the stamp and the vinyl looks the same ( probably from the original plate) but how legal is anybody`s guess Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Ivor Jones Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 So often people talk about there being a bootleg 45 of this (done in the 70's) but , after all these years, I've yet to see one .... either in the flesh or in a photo. Anyone have a photo of a bootleg copy or can give clear and detailed pointers on how to spot the bootleg ... if it even exists , that is ??? Going off on a bit of a tangent[though hopefully not too far ! ]. Does anyone have a definate original on VINYL as opposed to the normal STYRENE[the different colour text and logo one as opposed to the one being called a reissue or later pressing] ? I have a demo and issue both on STYRENE[identical except for the PROMO text and Star].....Ive never seen a vinyl pressing[only the reissue] but wondered if it existed....I ask because my copy of "Wanted Dead Or Alive/Can You Feel It" is a VINYL one but i have seen it on STYRENE too...Just wondered if "Cashing In" was the same ? Anyone ? Thanks, Ivor Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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Sebastian Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 (edited) Always thought the one below was a Boot I bought mine in '75 as a boot IF it was genuine, it is news to me! you live and (sometimes) learn! Is is a bootleg and definitely NOT made from the same stampers as the original first press demos and issues. The above does however have "Bell Sound" scratched into the deadwax, but it does NOT look the same as on the original. Someone tried to copy the "Bell Sound" stamp and did it fairly well, but ultimately failed. Check out this post for more info and comparisons: Edited September 21, 2012 by Sebastian Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 (edited) Is is a bootleg and definitely NOT made from the same stampers as the original first press demos and issues. The above does however have "Bell Sound" scratched into the deadwax, but it does NOT look the same as on the original. Someone tried to copy the "Bell Sound" stamp and did it fairly well, but ultimately failed. Check out this post for more info and comparisons: why ? did you make them. lol...we`ll settle for the fact its a reissue anyway. thats already set in stone Going off on a bit of a tangent[though hopefully not too far ! ]. Does anyone have a definate original on VINYL as opposed to the normal STYRENE[the different colour text and logo one as opposed to the one being called a reissue or later pressing] ? I have a demo and issue both on STYRENE[identical except for the PROMO text and Star].....Ive never seen a vinyl pressing[only the reissue] but wondered if it existed....I ask because my copy of "Wanted Dead Or Alive/Can You Feel It" is a VINYL one but i have seen it on STYRENE too...Just wondered if "Cashing In" was the same ? Anyone ? Thanks, Ivor i dont think theres any originals of CI on vinyl ivor or at least ive never seen one Edited September 21, 2012 by dave pinch Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 https://www.popsike.c...0499189736.html Look at the font on this .... and the title on separate lines. Real or boot ? The original can have two slightly different label designs. One is bell sound stamped and the other isn't! The boot/reissue is the creamy coloured copy. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter99 Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Once again it's clear as mud to me. Peter Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sunnysoul Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 (edited) Going off on a bit of a tangent[though hopefully not too far ! ]. Does anyone have a definate original on VINYL as opposed to the normal STYRENE[the different colour text and logo one as opposed to the one being called a reissue or later pressing] ? I have a demo and issue both on STYRENE[identical except for the PROMO text and Star].....Ive never seen a vinyl pressing[only the reissue] but wondered if it existed....I ask because my copy of "Wanted Dead Or Alive/Can You Feel It" is a VINYL one but i have seen it on STYRENE too...Just wondered if "Cashing In" was the same ? Anyone ? Thanks, Ivor Ivor I also have both issues of the Wanted Dead or Alive 45 - on styrene and on vinyl and both are legit. In fact many still think that Wanted Dead or Alive was/is an LP only track . .. it's definitely far less common than Cashing In . Only 3 on Popsike whereas there are 4 pages of Cashing In on Popsike Edited September 22, 2012 by sunnysoul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rick Cooper Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 When the light colourded "Cashing In" appeared in the shops it was just another pressing that those who wanted it couldn't care much about it's legitimacy or not. At the time I assumed it was a illegal issue as the legal pressings were usually the major companies e.g Columbia, Mercury etc. The label and record just looked wrong. Around 1978/9 I was at House of Sounds in Philadelphia and they had a huge pile of the original issue of "Cashing In". They were all packed in 200 count boxes with each box having the records in 25 count soft boxes just like they had come straight from the manufacturers. At the time you could hardly give records like this away so even though they only cost a few cents I only got one 25 count box. I was working for Robinson's Records in Manchester (well Salford really) and the record could be bought there for around 75p but didn't sell much. The stock at House of Sounds all had the record number stamped on the outside of the box so I could see that there must have been at least 4000 copies as there was a pallet loaded with them. The first press was distributed by Gulf and Western which I think sold off their record interests in 74 . It's likely that the legal owners of Just Sunshine had the record pressed up for the UK, leaving off the Gulf and Western and making the label as cheap as possible. Or it could have been illegal. I should think all the originals at House of Sounds had been caught up in the sell off of G+W and weren't available to Just Sunshine. Legal stuff may have left them in limbo till the stock sell off could be done. However what we all want to know is what happened to the thousands of copies at H of S , did anyone ship them to the UK or did they disappear in the record Bermuda triangle. Rick 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest JIM BARRY Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 When the light colourded "Cashing In" appeared in the shops it was just another pressing that those who wanted it couldn't care much about it's legitimacy or not. At the time I assumed it was a illegal issue as the legal pressings were usually the major companies e.g Columbia, Mercury etc. The label and record just looked wrong. Around 1978/9 I was at House of Sounds in Philadelphia and they had a huge pile of the original issue of "Cashing In". They were all packed in 200 count boxes with each box having the records in 25 count soft boxes just like they had come straight from the manufacturers. At the time you could hardly give records like this away so even though they only cost a few cents I only got one 25 count box. I was working for Robinson's Records in Manchester (well Salford really) and the record could be bought there for around 75p but didn't sell much. The stock at House of Sounds all had the record number stamped on the outside of the box so I could see that there must have been at least 4000 copies as there was a pallet loaded with them. The first press was distributed by Gulf and Western which I think sold off their record interests in 74 . It's likely that the legal owners of Just Sunshine had the record pressed up for the UK, leaving off the Gulf and Western and making the label as cheap as possible. Or it could have been illegal. I should think all the originals at House of Sounds had been caught up in the sell off of G+W and weren't available to Just Sunshine. Legal stuff may have left them in limbo till the stock sell off could be done. However what we all want to know is what happened to the thousands of copies at H of S , did anyone ship them to the UK or did they disappear in the record Bermuda triangle. Rick GREAT STORY RICK, let us know what else you found please regards jim. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sebastian Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 It's likely that the legal owners of Just Sunshine had the record pressed up for the UK, leaving off the Gulf and Western and making the label as cheap as possible. Or it could have been illegal. If it was legal I find it highly unlikely that they would go to such trouble to replicate the Bell Sound stamp (and fail). I mean, why bother? It was most likely done to decieve buyers. The real "Bell Sound" stamp looks exactly the same on all 45s that it was used on. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rick Cooper Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 If it was legal I find it highly unlikely that they would go to such trouble to replicate the Bell Sound stamp (and fail). I mean, why bother? It was most likely done to decieve buyers. The real "Bell Sound" stamp looks exactly the same on all 45s that it was used on. Sebastian I don't have any opinion as to if the re-issues are legal or not I'll leave that up to others. Back then most buyers couldn't care either way and wouldn't have bothered checking for certain markings. The labels on the re-issue are clearly different so the record could have been legal or there again may be illegal ,I don't know or care anymore although it really pi**ed me off back then, sorry. Rick Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rick Cooper Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 GREAT STORY RICK, let us know what else you found please regards jim. Thousands and thousands of Apple label records, millions and millions of pop dross, trillions and trillions of C&W. Rick 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modernsoulsucks Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 There were thousands of Rosey Jones on Today. Again unsellable at the time. 5 or 6 years too late. Still unsellable? ROD 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kris Holmes Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 There were thousands of Rosey Jones on Today. Again unsellable at the time. 5 or 6 years too late. Still unsellable? ROD not sure but i know there is a copy i never ever play sitting here somewhere. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kev John Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 (edited) Matrix marks for disputed Cashing in are JSA 510A M11 ( Bell Sound Stamp ) (Sre joined letters like in letter writing ) S -5119 GOL All scribed in bar the bell sound stamp Edited May 20, 2013 by Kev John Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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