STOKE ALL NIGHTER-KINGS HALL

[Guest]

think these replies show (and on ur other thread) that its best not hyping up an event your (possibly!) involved with, be it thats its gonna b the biggest and best or about how many tickets you've sold apparently; it feels a little patronising and insulting; wont work on this site.

Danny D

Danny, dont you mean,

"it's best not hyping up an event your (possibly!) involved with, be it thats its gonna b the biggest and best or about how many tickets you've sold apparently if the promotors face doesn't fit on here".

This isn't a dig at ANYONE who promotes events on here but many others constantly promote & hype up events on here and if they happen to be popular with those who post regularly on this site or it seems that if the event is run by a popular promoter/DJ (anyone who isn't KR!) it isn't seen as patronisting or insulting....

That sounds like the 'clique' type senario that certain people seem to accuse Togetherness events of!.

Jayne.

[Mike]

come on,

take a step back and see it another way

a new member joins

her first post accuses this site of all sorts- dont wanna reopen that topic at moment

her second post is here

and goes like

RIGHT...WHO's going to the big one?

how does that read?

to me it smacked of arrogance and looked like designed to kick up controversy.

how many other events are advertised like that, how many other members have joined and jumped straight in with posts like that

this site is open to all, however it doesn't mean that anyone can just come here do what they want, you know the vibe on this board, that post was well out of sync

compare the reaction to this post and then the reaction to her later whitby weekender one - fair difference and think the reason why such a difference is obvious

don't want to go down road where this could lead to if need be, many people on here do have issues with whole togetherness approach and the way it does stuff.

Never going to change that, however would hope that all soul fans can respect others opinions and soul fans who want to use this sites features can do so with no hassle.

Would like to consider this matter closed and rather than start discussing right or wrong just move on, is that a fair one?

[Guest]

aw come on Mike, Bury Soul is bob on. Look at some of the 'announcements' recently ie '2000 plus booked at Prestatyn' With them being a massive organisation. At least KRL are a independant outfit using their own funds promoting well run gigs like Stoke, Fleetwood and Whitby.

And yes I am biased too, but only in a way of re-dressing the balance to save Kev getting outgunned every 2 minutes by others with a totally underhanded agenda!

Soul Source(IMO) is excellent , but the scene covers a multitude of ideas and theories. I can't speak for them all, but certainly believe KR puts his heart and soul and money into 'keeping it popular'. Pontins, New Century etc are doing exactly the same. And worse, getting their 'disciples of soul' to promote albeit a little discreeter their own promotions.

PLAY FAIR PLEASE!

[Guest Kolla]

Becky - we are being fair ... The majority of SS members who contribute to the 'events' section, contribute equally to discussions in other parts of the forum - they don't just log in to advertise.

[stomper45]

Hey Jayne, Bexter

its not bout whose face fits, i have no connection with any uk events and one of the great things bout SS is a complete lack of any clique, if u ventured outside the events forum conversations confirm this.

But saying its the big 1 or mentioning how many tickets "apparently" been sold (they are either sold or not) looked like spoofing and obviously annoyed not just me.

Prestatyn dealt in actuals and in part was advising soulies of what accomodation was left; as could be seen from crowd attending there.

maybe any reaction is good from an "advertisers" view, tho on a site like Soul Source which you admit is excellent my advice was that hyping anything wont work given the type of subscribers to this even handed site, you are free to ignore this advice just as i'm free to my view...but as dragging a topic on into a saga becomes boring to everyone lets agree to leave our differences at that.

Danny

[Chalky]

Becky - we are being fair ... The majority of SS members who contribute to the 'events' section, contribute equally to discussions in other parts of the forum - they don't just log in to advertise.

I agree with you Kolla. Also many of those that do advertise gigs do actually support other venues and the scene in general, not just their own venue and sales stuff.

[Little-stevie]

I think the last post says it all..We go to events up and down the country and really love the scene,small venues or large,makes no difference.. lets stop all the bullshit..If you are just out for self interest then this is not the place...You sad bastards are well known to real people..Lets put this to bed please...

[Mike]

aw  come on Mike, Bury Soul is bob on. Look at some of the 'announcements' recently ie '2000 plus booked at Prestatyn'  With them being a massive organisation. At least KRL are a independant outfit using their own funds promoting well run gigs like Stoke, Fleetwood and Whitby.
And yes I am biased too, but only in a way of re-dressing the balance to save Kev getting outgunned every 2 minutes by others with a totally underhanded agenda!
Soul Source(IMO) is excellent , but the scene covers a multitude of ideas and theories. I can't speak for them all, but certainly believe KR puts his heart and soul and money into 'keeping it popular'. Pontins, New Century etc are doing exactly the same. And worse, getting their 'disciples of soul' to promote albeit a little discreeter their own promotions.
PLAY FAIR PLEASE!

is this
a complaint about the way soul source site delivers soul related news and information?



if it is
either
email them to site using the contact us link , or post them up in a new topic in the source news and info forum [and site will deal with them


or is it about the members reaction to your posts ?

if it is suggest that you post up a new topic


Soul Source is open to all soul fans to post, share and discuss soul related info and news. End of Story

[Guest andrew bin]

The VSC will be there (never miss the kings hall) Always Fantastic !

[Mike]

this thread is turning in to a right old laugh

last post siggy cracked me right up

and as for kev's "let get it back to the top " post

great stuff

keep at it lads, sure keeping all amused

[stomper45]

which 2 have the same ip on this thread....beans need knockin ova

[Mark Bicknell]

Should be a level playing field for all promotions on here, sure we all self promote i do it myself on here and i also plug, review and preview product and events on my Solar radio show on Sunday nights, even KRL has started to include jingles within my show as i have a huge target audience now which i have built up over the past four years so i consider that a compliment big time, we invite any Northern Soul related advertising on Solar and is an example of the level playing field ethic at it's best.

Stating that an event is the biggest or the best is another issue and i feel at the end of the day the people deside which venues go down in history or end up a flash in the pan, funny though how Bexter dismisses The 100 Club as not being a big event, sorry how long did The Casino last eight years was it?

I think you will find that The 100 Club has already gone down in the history books as being the longest running Alnighter ever so please don't make light of this awesome milestone via Ady Croasdell a man who conducts every part of his Soul buisiness in a hounrable manner.

There are very few people on this scene at top level who have a record and reputation to match that of Ady's, if you dig deep well not even deep you will find loads of less favourable actions and wrong doings by those who claim to be straight acting so called buisiness men.

I have nothing to lose or gain anymore from certain people and areas on this scene by straight talking and standing up for what's right and what i and many other people feel and think, this scene is being turned into a circus, driven by a select self appointed few who think they know best well sorry they don't, they can carry on milking it for all it's worth until every last drop of goodness and money has been drained away, then they will walk away leaving the scene to go back underground where many say it belongs to be embraced by the people who really do have a passion for the grass roots of it all the wonderful music which is what we all got into this for in the first place.

Big venues are by far not always the best musically anyway, how can you brand and market something so pure anyway, you can not dictate and spoon feed this music and all the spin off's from it and expect no reaction, the trouble is everyone connected with the Northern scene has an opinion, everyone wants to have a voice and why not as no one and i mean no one is bigger or better than the music, we all i guess care about what we do at the weekends and we want to protect what is so very special to us, so to have this almost watered down version and present situation, when is the scene gonna get back to being a progresive, current and moving forward power it once was, retro nostalgia seens to be the driving force today and it ain't even funny anymore, politics, in fighting, DJ's being told who they can and can't DJ for etc. etc. etc. is more than many of us can take so much so the preasure and bullshit of all this has forced me to step back from something i love and i'm good at which on reflection is giving into the negatives and crap.

Sure mention and promote events where you can but let's as i suggest keep it to a level playing field and not a battle field which it is at present with one or two of the big guns, and on a final note as ever if you have a point or something to say please if you want full attention and respect try putting your real name to it then any comment. promotion etc. will hold a lot more credability than using a nickname. At least be upfront if you wanna play in our backyard......................

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

[Guest]

Mark,

You need educating I'm afraid. Firstly it is a level playing field. Soul Source encourages all mannerisms of 'soul talk' and for most people that's exactly what they do.

Some(like ourselves) not only like to chew the fat over Northern Soul they are in business with it too. Folks like myself, Chris Waterman(New Century), Ady Croasdell(Kent/100 Club) etc, openly promote and encourage participation by all Northern fans.

As for the 100 Club, of course its a GREAT event but not a BIG one numbers wise as the room simply doesn't hold enough. And who's knocking Ady's achievements-certainly not me.

In terms of a 'circus', who 'propogandas' the scene more than you(New Century for instance). And why not Chris Waterman is employing you as a DJ and expects you to 'talk up his events'.

Whoever said 'big venues are the best musically' again, not us. We promote and rise or fall by our instincts and decisions. Just like Pontins, Prestatyn and New Century, who are in it for the money-just like us. Its our daytime job!

As for'KRL including jingles in your show', first of all they are ads(I realise you are new to radio), jingles are something that comes out of the ad breaks or at the top of the hour.

A contra deal with SOLAR enabling their presence in the NSOUL mag(sanctioned by the editor Alison Nightingale) means the station schedule our company's audio in shows that may have appeal to our target demographic of 35-54's.

As for 'audience figures', how do you know whether your audience is large or small, SOLAR do not take part in RAJAR and don't have any REAL FIGURES apart from gut reaction. I love 'em, but they are not part of any real audience share apart from enthusiasts.

If anbody is patronising towards the scene, its you, by assuming the punter should somehow be in some form of gratitude towards promoters who keep it underground.

Believe me-you are kidding yourself. The available audience like what they like including Dave Raist's Skeggy Weekender, Ady's 100 Club, Our Kings Hall, Stoke,

Richards KGH, Blackburn AND A TRUCK LOAD of other interesting nights.

The scene has never been healthier. I'm on 5 different stations a week and they don't appear to be complaining to me.

You will feel a lot better about yourself if you stop worrying about eveyone else and take care of your own game.

You said it in a previous mailing, BLACKBURN and MANCHESTER were both busy last Saturday -LETS ALL BE THANKFUL FOR THAT plus anyone else large or small who was busy.

As far as name to the postings...... Kev Roberts. Prime time at 10am on Solar this Saturday with The Shirelles on the show(one of 52 GUESTS) in the past year. And a former Sony Award nominee.

[Mark Bicknell]

Job done folks now out in the open , that's the only reason for my last posting really, the content was either here nor there to be frank.

As for being educated like i said nothing to prove or gain really, just wanted to express the thoughts of many people who perhaps can't or do not wish to get involved with all this because they are a little scared of what people might say.

If the cap fits and all that.

I take all your points on board as constructive and respect your point of view and opinion, but as i also said all people on the Northern scene have the right to opinion and the right to a voice, yet sometimes we all don't agree with you.

Mike close this now, i think we know why.

Mark Bicknell.

[Mark Bicknell]

Re jingles comment and being new to radio, i could have been clever and perhaps i used the wrong word i should have said advert/mention call it what you will, re auidence comment i also judge this on the direct feedback and comment i get via the station and from direct contact via people at venues etc. but i've been on Solar for four years in November and my comments re KRL adds were genuine and you must have included them via Solar in my show as you respect that i have some target audience, as for my connection with New Century Chris Waterman sponsours my show as this is part of the deal with Solar that i get funding.

I don't wish to get in a direct slagging match with you here as i value my radio show as it's about the only thing left for me on the scene right now, i also value your far greater radio background and knowledge the fact is you have an answer for everything and you are very possibly right.

Thank you for being so constructive.

I'm sure it will all come out right in the end.

Mark Bicknell.

[Guest]

Mark,

Why ask Mike to close anything? Kolla knew of postings from earlier in the week! Its a forum for gods sake.

You made points that to me are totally biased and I replied as such.

Your latest reply somehow implies that SS should 'close the thread down'. After 32 years on the scene I defend not only my business but others too. And actually welcome the likes of New Century(who you work for) wholeheartedly.

But please stop trying to be melodramatic, we all have our supporters, likes, dislikes and points of view.

For instance(imagine the scenario), Butch and myself at lets say the Wilton Ballroom. Not only would I not make the turntables(I'd be lynched long before!), I doubt if I would get out alive!(only kidding West Yorkshire, I think you get the picture).

On the other hand, the Kings Hall, Stoke with a capacity of 2,000 or on a major radio station at say 2 in the afternoon and the tables would be turned significantly.

I collect records but run with the nostalgic end to make ends meet as sadly there ain't much dosh in the Connoisseurs scene(Well done Andy D for turning in results at Sheridans).

CAN YOU PLEASE LIGHTEN UP. KRL is no enemy, it invests its own funds in trying to keep the scene popular. If that offends, then don't work for PONTINS(Prestatyn) or NEW CENTURY(Manchester) who like me, promote to MAKE A PROFIT.

When not promoting, I'm listening to everything from unreleased tackle supplied to me from various labels, forgotten 60's like Ten Times A Day-Malibus, stuff I bought as new releases like Milt Matthews-Trust Me this while trying(and hardly succeding!) to win EBAY goodies.

35 years of the scene bring extreme views. LETS ACCEPT THEM ALL. But expect retaliation if some do not agree. I certainly have.

I do not for a minute expect a fan to be interested in my 'live' act when he/she maybe grew up with a later generation(I really am getting old, but still younger than Richard Searling-sorry dude!) such as Keb Darge, Guy Hennigan.

I can only offer my best shot, and while I am receiving encouraging comments about most of the events we are involved in, we'll stay in it.

Self confessional over......Mark didn't we used be friends once?

Kev

[stomper45]

suprised no one added to this ....so i will

good to see you put your real name to a post our new mate kevster or is rollemcowboy, bexter or should we call you robster

its getting to the point where i wont trust anyone new on the forum, ie whose this spanner (in the works) again no real names, locations mainly posts regarding stoke mmm.

trying to gain creedance here about open forum discussions using an (many) alias wears a little thin.

another example of how you work up guys like Mark, who puts in the legwork over the years even if he is getting dramatic u can see has his heart in right place

no problem with u making money, even if its ALWAYS time-warp nostalgia trip, with some disinterested ole farts playin cd's to a crowd of old farts stuck in a time warp looking disinterested...i like the 100% old fart stuff once maybe twice times a year meself

(not to mention ur memorabelia/cd/vinyl branding)

with approaching 4000 hits on this subject and big crowds at ur do's can see why u keep to ur policies, maybe hard for some to take on our emotive scene that its a business for a lucky few.

maybe good if u stuck on a token progressive 2nd room to please some; tho no one puts on an event to lose money constantly.

a good start on here would b u being honest about the real names behind ur posts, not everyone is a mug ur trying to take the p*ss out of this site.

Danny Duggan

from Dublin

Nothing to hide

[Dave Rimmer]

Danny,

Unfortunately, Spanner is well known to all and sundry as .....Spanner. (and if you know Spanner you'll know why I said unfortunately :-))

[Chalky]

a good start on here would b u being honest about the real names behind ur posts, not everyone is a mug ur trying to take the p*ss out of this site.

Danny Duggan

from Dublin

Nothing to hide

link

Aaaaw do I have too

Chalky also with nothing to hide

[Spanner]

Danny Duggan

from Dublin

Nothing to hide

link

[Spanner]

Danny,

Unfortunately, Spanner is well known to all and sundry as .....Spanner. (and if you know Spanner you'll know why I said unfortunately :-))

link

TOP MAN MR RIMMER ,WOUND HIM FIRST TIME WE MET

SPAN [ PETER]

[Guest]

I love you Spanner ;-)))

[Guest]

To Danny(stomper 45?), WATCH YOUR MOUTH SON. Using words like ROBSTER is extremely insulting. Carry on with this type of behaviour(read the registration rules/disclaimer courtesy of Mike Hughes) and you'll find yourself not only booted off the the forum but engaging in some legal warfare.

If you don't like my methods of promotion TOUGH!

And in terms of knowing anything about Northern Soul, I would not even consider you 4th division.

Kolla clearly identified my manager Becky who passed on her registration to me.

After 30 plus years in the biz, I do have a right to join in! You are acting like some crazed terrorist. GROW UP!

Kev Roberts

[Guest]

To Danny(stomper 45?), WATCH YOUR MOUTH SON. Using words like ROBSTER is extremely insulting. Carry on with this type of behaviour(read the registration rules/disclaimer courtesy of Mike Hughes) and you'll find yourself not only booted off the the forum but engaging in some legal warfare.

If you don't like my methods of promotion TOUGH!

And in terms of knowing anything about Northern Soul, I would not even consider you 4th division.

Kolla clearly identified my manager Becky who passed on her registration to me.

After 30 plus years in the biz, I do have a right to join in! You are acting like some crazed terrorist. GROW UP!

Kev Roberts

link

Whats happening on here, i just love the music, but with all this infighting, i feel it's time to leave this forum well alone, shame really because i have found it very informative and have made some good friends directly as a result of Soul Source.

Brett

[Guest]

Brett,

Quite right too. But there is no way I am being a punchbag by anyone, least of all people who know little about Northern.

On a much lighter note, I am more than happy to answer any questions where someone else takes the lead. I am a fan too.

Standing outside the Torch in 1972 because my lift was out of his head(sorry Alan!) and having no money left due to a Rufus Lumley on Stateside purchase for £8 from Mick Smith, make me wonder if they were much happier times. I THINK THEY WERE!

Have a pleasant weekend everyone. I have to stay in and give information to the police about counterfeit Stoke tickets doing the rounds at present. Anyone want to job swap?

[Guest ShaneH]

Whats happening on here, i just love the music, but with all this infighting, i feel it's time to leave this forum well alone, shame really because i have found it very informative and have made some good friends directly as a result of Soul Source.

Brett

link

I do think Kev has been hit pretty hard here. I wouldnt like to be called a thief and sure many others wouldnt.

Come on! He promotes 'big oldies events, sell legit cds and organises soul trips to the US. He is not robbing grannies!

In my opinion if Kev was pushing an upfront event he would not get the same treatment as he has. Too many people attacking the oldies scene and there is no need. Just get on with what you enjoy and don't worry about others.

I am not a big fan of the oldie scene and you are more likely to see me at the Wilton/Lifeline/Union Club but I believe the scene is big enough to cater for all. If you want the rare and upfront stuff go to a rare and upfront event - simple as!

If people want to be nostalgic just leave them to it. Some people have more important things in their life than soul music. Many just want to forget about the crap week they have had and just have a few drinks and a dance. This culture exists in thousands of nightclubs/working men's club all over the country. Its nothing to be offended about.

Live and let live!

Shane

[Guest Kolla]

Ok folks TIME OUT ! TIME OUT! We can't get on with all the people all of the time

If people have direct and personal issues with other forum members we'd recommend they take it up with each other away from the public forum.

It's great to have health informative debates and everyone is entitled to their opinion on what is good and bad. It would be ridiculously bland if we all agreed with eachother. HOWEVER Soul Source doesn't condone out and out mud-slinging.

If you fancy throwing pies at each other - we provide members with inbox / messaging so they can address each other directly about stuff that isn't relevant to other members.

My above comment is NOT directed at any one member in particular.

On that note - have a fine and dandy weekend , whatever you're all up to.

PS: Brett - hello from me & Al

[Chalky]

Whether you agree with Kev and his events/methods or not he has every right to defend himself IMO. Everything has been one way most of the time and that is hardly fair IMO.

Danny can't go making statements like he did and expect no response.

[Mike]

ok

kolla posted the site view

as this thread seems to involve several different topics

think rather than this thread carrying on as it is

it be better if any future new posts about forthcoming stoke togetherness event be posted in a new thread

[Guest]

I do think Kev has been hit pretty hard here. I wouldnt like to be called a thief and sure many others wouldnt.

Come on! He promotes 'big oldies events, sell legit cds and organises soul trips to the US. He is not robbing grannies!

In my opinion if Kev was pushing an upfront event he would not get the same treatment as he has. Too many people attacking the oldies scene and there is no need. Just get on with what you enjoy and don't worry about others.

I am not a big fan of the oldie scene and you are more likely to see me at the Wilton/Lifeline/Union Club but I believe the scene is big enough to cater for all. If you want the rare and upfront stuff go to a rare and upfront event - simple as!

If people want to be nostalgic just leave them to it. Some people have more important things in their life than soul music. Many just want to forget about the crap week they have had and just have a few drinks and a dance. This culture exists in thousands of nightclubs/working men's club all over the country. Its nothing to be offended about.

Live and let live!

Shane

link

Well said Shane, well said.

I keep out of politics pretty much all the time because it just causes bad feeling, which the scene shouldn't be about.

KRL run some good events, Stoke is one of my favorite nights out, not particularly for the music but because its a well run night with hundreds of people there all having a good night and lots of my mates go there.

I was lucky enough to go on the LA trip and what a fantastic trip that was, so good in fact that I'm booked for new york.

If Kev was running an upfront 'trendy' night all this slagging off wouldn't be happening.

I also go to the 100,Lifeline etc... I enjoy the whole scene, the people, the different musical styles. So what if someone makes money,good on them, wish I could earn a living doing something I enjoy.

As Shane said if you want upfront music go to an upfront gig, if you want oldies go to an oldies night, or maybe do them both as I do. Just please people stop all this backbiting and live and let live.

Karen

[Supercorsa]

What's all this noise? We'll have no trouble here! This is a local shop...

Sorry, thought I was somewhere else for a moment.

[John May]

I'm feeling chilled today, and all enlightened for some reason.

Rather than back bite, let's celebrate the diversety of the Music rather than the differences. The Northern Soul scene is a bit like Football really, we all support

different teams, but at the end of the day it's the same game.

Likewise we all love the music, but we enjoy it in diferent ways.

What is one persons idea of the music isn't another persons idea.

The Oldies V Newies debate will go on as long as Northern Soul exsists.

Big Venue V Small Venue , etc etc.

We all love in one way or the other what is the best music in the world.

Lets Celebrate that.

John

[Mike]

this thread started off as a "whos going to the big one" and ended up with a "Lets Celebrate that" thread

Along the way the thread took in many subjects, a bit of banter, all good natured

turn page and it gets bit heavy, bit banter, bit of nfo and heavy time again

It does appear that at the time some people weren't aware that Kev Roberts had posted up an intro and that he was now posting under the becky account, which influenced posts

and then a couple of posts that feel a need to comment on

Bottom line is!

Confusion about identity of some members . It seems that the identity confusion was driving force for bad feeling

As far as i read it , whole thread had nothing to do with oldies v newies, or what type of event someone promotes, and at a loss why some should think it was?

Regarding the claims that it depends on what type of event the person promotes regarding his treatment on here, sorry Shane and Karen but to me that is well out of order (and thats putting it mildly).

Like to think that site and members are better than

For this thread to finish like this to me was misleading and gives a false idea of members and way most have discussed things in this thread

Rather than this thread get bogged down further and drag on and on am closing this thread in an effort (yet again) to draw a line under all this

Will transfer existing event info on forthcoming event into a new topic

will leave all other info in this thread

feel best way forward

TOPIC CLOSED

see new thread for discussion on forthcoming togetherness event info