Steve Edgar Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 Title: emanuel laskey - dont lead me on - thelmaArtist: emanuel laskeyTrack: don't lead me onLabel: thelma 106 usa Record information: this is the nashville matrix with 97700 scratched out on "dont lead me on" and replaced with 97699 59. also on flip side, "what did i do wrong" 97699 scratched out and replaced with 97700 59 steve 82387 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Just seen on John's Auction, an alternative 1st take of Thelma 106. Listened to auction sound clip, Dug my copy out (first time for many years!) and I cant tell the difference between mine and John's clip! I notice John's clip is quite a long clip (1:40) so I presume the difference comes in quite a way thru disc. dunno if it's of any relevence but I notice in run out groove the ztsc number 97700 has been scratched out and replaced with 97699. Tried to compare with the Emanuel Laskey file on the excelent "Soul Club" but think that may be the Billy Kennedy cut. John! if ya read this, would love to know what the difference is with the two cuts Steve ps. would send in a file of my copy but think sending files has been stopped just now Steve First thing I gotta do, is check that the right "soundclip" is on the site!! Which I will do ASAP. For everyone else who owns a copy, you can check their copies: here's a sort explanation for what to look for. FIRST MIX: or the RARE mix. Deadwax matrix reads: 1st. Mix matrix reads ARP Nashville Matrix ZTSC 97700 (scratched out) 97699 59 2nd. mix (and the one I've always encountered) matrix reads ARP ZTSC 97699 and Nashville Matrix 59 This could maybe become a great thread: Can anyone else come up with different takes on Northern Soul vinyl. I have at the moment: Patti & The Emblems - I'm Gonna Love yo A Long Long Time take 1 & 2 Showmen - Our Love Will Grow - Swan take 1 & 2 Both these are on PROMO's and are certainly different takes with different matrix markings to the regular copies you see. Others I know of but have yet to document. Performers - Little Angel - Sir Graham Tommy Andre - One More try - Broadway Any others you can add will be most welcome. Meanwhile I'll double check the correct soundclip is up with the Promo cpoy on auction. I sold the stock copy different take to a Thelma completist. That copy was certainly different and yuo could tell from the start. I will endeavour to check all this out. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest kermack Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Priscilla Page I'm pretending (Topper) has two diffrent mix's but haven't got the records on hand to check matrix. Derek Martin ''If you go'' (Sue) demo & issue different. I'll see if I can find some more. Johnny K. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Val (Chunky) Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 The mix on John's site is definitely a different mix to my version. I have heard different Gil Scott Heron's "The Bottle" mine has what can only be described as a drunken intro' Also Bobby Womack's "How Could You Break My Heart" some USA records have the intro' and some don't but the UK copy is a different mix. (The better one imo) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 The mix on John's site is definitely a different mix to my version. I have heard different Gil Scott Heron's "The Bottle" mine has what can only be described as a drunken intro' There was a 45 issued with,drunken mix on one of the sides Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Steve First thing I gotta do, is check that the right "soundclip" is on the site!! Which I will do ASAP. For everyone else who owns a copy, you can check their copies: here's a sort explanation for what to look for. FIRST MIX: or the RARE mix. Deadwax matrix reads: 1st. Mix matrix reads ARP Nashville Matrix ZTSC 97700 (scratched out) 97699 59 2nd. mix (and the one I've always encountered) matrix reads ARP ZTSC 97699 and Nashville Matrix 59 This could maybe become a great thread: Can anyone else come up with different takes on Northern Soul vinyl. I have at the moment: Patti & The Emblems - I'm Gonna Love yo A Long Long Time take 1 & 2 Showmen - Our Love Will Grow - Swan take 1 & 2 Both these are on PROMO's and are certainly different takes with different matrix markings to the regular copies you see. Others I know of but have yet to document. Performers - Little Angel - Sir Graham Tommy Andre - One More try - Broadway Any others you can add will be most welcome. Meanwhile I'll double check the correct soundclip is up with the Promo cpoy on auction. I sold the stock copy different take to a Thelma completist. That copy was certainly different and yuo could tell from the start. I will endeavour to check all this out. Spent some time this morning on Emanuel Laskey - Don't lead me on - Thelma 106 Guess what? There are THREE different mixes. 1. The DEMO ARP Nashville Matrix ZTSC 97700 (scratched out) 97699 59 on the site has a different drum intro and many other differences through the record BUT you may have that copy in your collection. 2. matrix reads ARP ZTSC 97699 and Nashville Matrix 59 this is the one that you usually find. 3. matrix reads AG ZTSC 97700 Bell Sound (stamp) G this mix is just totally different and may have been the one Paul Rudz was refering to. I'll try and add this to ROTR next week so you can all have a listen. I do want to document all the diff. mixes on all Northren Soul collectables in Price Guiide ed. 4. So help on this would be appreciated. Just heard the rare & different mix of Gerri Hall on Hot Line.. and that's very different Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest in town Mikey Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 I think I have the 2nd one in your list John, but: on the 'Lead me on' side it has ZTSC 97699 59 On the 'What did I do' side it has ZTSC 97699 crossed out (just the numbers) and the 97700 59 I assume it is the second in your list, the more common one, but I dont have a deck anymore so cant play it to see how it sounds. (According to my records I bought it from you for £5 in 1985.) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ted Massey Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Sad bugger that i am i had all 3 versions sadly they have all gone now to that black hole in Tod it was Ruditz who put me on to the Bell sound one Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dan Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 there's (at least) two versions of the brilliant 'my darling baby' by edward hamilton on mary jane. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest in town Mikey Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 there's (at least) two versions of the brilliant 'my darling baby' by edward hamilton on mary jane. I seem to remember Trickster playing me an alternative version of the Professionals T.W.I.L.Y. IMO no better than the known version, which I loathe. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ted Massey Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Theres 2 versions of Pricilla page on Topper one has an N or M after the record number i remeber Adey pierce having on and i seem to remeber Tim brown having 2 versions of Romona Collins youve been cheating one was crap Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Showmen - Our Love Will Grow - Swan take 1 & 2 I had the alternative mix of this on a stock copy. I swapped it with a very well known Lincs dj and collector (for Harry Starr I think). Until I played it I'd never heard it but apparently it did come out on a Kent cd. Totally different take though, much sparser. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 There are two takes of the Ruby 45 on Gold Token, Feminine Ingenuity has a much better production and strings more upfront on the rarer version. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
soul45s Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 There are two different versions of the Mar J's 'Got to find a way out' the earlier version has lovely tinkling piano (I prefer this version) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simsy Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Slow & fast versions of Someone tell her - Imperial C's. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Billy Freemantle Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 This a link to Emanel Laskey - Don't lead me on as it appears on the Goldmine CD TheThelma Story. Sounds just like the Soul Club version to me which folk say is Bill Kennedy. Can anyone clarify this? https://media.putfile.com/Emanual-Laskey---Dont-lead-me-on Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Slow & fast versions of Someone tell her - Imperial C's. I think it means records which were released mate. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve Plumb Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Willie Tee - First taste of hurt Green label version(s) with Organ Blue lable version with piano (sounds like Eddie Foster on the intro) - this is way superior imho Cheers Steve Plumb Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest in town Mikey Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Which reminds me of Dickie wonder, with and without girlies Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Theres 2 versions of Pricilla page on Topper one has an N or M after the record number i remeber Adey pierce having on and i seem to remeber Tim brown having 2 versions of Romona Collins youve been cheating one was crap Pricilla Page, one is T-101 t'other is T-101RM Seem to recall somewhere in the back of my mind,three mixes of Romona Collins long intro, short intro and...... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Just heard the rare & different mix of Gerri Hall on Hot Line.. and that's very different is that the one with girl backing? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Kenny Smith,lord whats happening to our people,how many differant intro`s,labels etc,same with Sequins,he`s a flirt,some start with a "2-3-4"if you know what i mean? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve Plumb Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 LaSawn Collins With and without vibes Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Gracie Dumas...two takes but sure one was acetate Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest kermack Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Gracie Dumas...two takes but sure one was acetate The El Dorado acetate with the (is it a xylophone !!) way back in the mix and the released one way up..........what was it released on ? :search: Johnny K. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 The El Dorado acetate with the (is it a xylophone !!) way back in the mix and the released one way up..........what was it released on ? :search: Johnny K. J-Gems Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon T Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Kenny Smith,lord whats happening to our people,how many differant intro`s,labels etc,same with Sequins,he`s a flirt,some start with a "2-3-4"if you know what i mean? According to Kenny Smith himself, it was issued twice; the first release is actually the Goldspot pressing, it was then released on GAR (white demos and issues). I was told that Simon Sousan brought some of the Goldspot copies into the UK and so people assumed it was a boot or reissue. The Goldspot copies do have a newer "70's" press look about them, but then again the GAR copies look older because it's that crap 'Chicago' vinyl, and so I think this may have exacebated the rumours about the Goldspot pressings. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
asboannie Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 FIRST MIX: or the RARE mix. Deadwax matrix reads: 1st. Mix matrix reads ARP Nashville Matrix ZTSC 97700 (scratched out) 97699 59 Only just read this. Cheers for that John. It turns out that the one I've got in my box. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon T Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 This could maybe become a great thread: Can anyone else come up with different takes on Northern Soul vinyl. Any others you can add will be most welcome. Some I know of that you can't really tell there's difference between the mixes without playing and / or a good scrutiny of the matix numbers etc, are: Carl Burnette - Jerk Baby Jerk - Carmax Curtis - How can I tell her - Charm City Shirley Edwards - Dream My Heart - Shrine Have had the different copies in my hands, so I know they exist. Also, got passed on a sound file of a diffrent mix of Linda & Prentenders - Believe Me, just recently, apparently a diffrent pressing! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
asboannie Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Some I know of that you can't really tell there's difference between the mixes without playing and / or a good scrutiny of the matix numbers etc, are: Carl Burnette - Jerk Baby Jerk - Carmax Would this one be.....55872.........102-A Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve Edgar Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 Thanx John, for the info, but now am really confused! Am I right in thinking you're gonna put the rare version on ROTR? Anyone got a file of the "1st mix" Steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mick Holdsworth Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Carol Jones on Mutt (has two releases and both sides are different). Young Brothers - Baby Cheers Mick https://northern-soul-records.com Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
asboannie Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Thanx John, for the info, but now am really confused! Am I right in thinking you're gonna put the rare version on ROTR? Anyone got a file of the "1st mix" Steve Sorry can't do a sound file of this but attachment picture of the first mix on Thelma Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Val (Chunky) Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Ummmm I'm not sure which one mine is now The run out grooves show: "Don't Lead Me On" run out reads: ARP ZTSC 67699 Nashville Matrix 59 "What Did I Do Wrong" run out reads: ARP Nashville Matrix ZTSC 97699 97700 59 Which one have I got? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve Edgar Posted September 25, 2008 Author Share Posted September 25, 2008 Title: emanuel laskey - dont lead me on - thelma Artist: emanuel laskey Track: don't lead me on Label: Thelma Info: this is the nashville matrix with 97700 scratched out on "dont lead me on" and replaced with 97699 59. also on flip side, "what did i do wrong" 97699 scratched out and replaced with 97700 59 steve 82387 view soul record info Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
dean jj Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 On the Laskey...difference in value of all these versions?dean Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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