[Rs] darrell banks - angel baby

[Guest]

Title: darrell banks - angel baby
Artist: darrell banks
Track: angel baby
Label: soul-tbc

Record information:

[45cellar]

ATCO - DARRELL BANKS - ANGEL BABY (DON'T YOU LEAVE ME)

This one is an Original, click on Label to Enlarge.

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--------------------* COUNTERFEIT *

--------------------* COUNTERFEIT *

Easy to spot but only if you check the Deadwax.

Simply has the Titles Scratched in the Deadwax, both sides.

[Dave Pinch]

hi roger

yes as a young boy this was one of those counterfeits i was sold as a real un

paid £3 for it when it shoulda been 50p. it was only when i got loads of other

atlantic distributed tunes that i realised they all had an "AT" and a "W" scratched

in the deadwax for the new york copies. the west coast are all delta stamped but

theres another pressing plant that used to do atlantic with shiny moulded over labels

and a stamp in a circle i think. not sure where they are from......middle america maybe

Ended up with a uk red atlantic darrell banks in the end

dave

[Swifty]

Morning all, just wondered why would the people/person doing the

boots of records do something different than the original i.e. having

the title scratched in the deadwax ? or sometimes go to all the trouble

to get the typefaces correct yet print on different colour paper.

Cheers

Swifty

p.s. Roger really appreciate all the info you put up , keep up the good work

[45cellar]

Morning all, just wondered why would the people/person doing the

boots of records do something different than the original i.e. having

the title scratched in the deadwax ? or sometimes go to all the trouble

to get the typefaces correct yet print on different colour paper.

Cheers

Swifty

p.s. Roger really appreciate all the info you put up , keep up the good work

Hi Swifty

Thanks for your comments on this.

Possibly this one being a White DEMO with Black Writing was a simple Photocopy type process.

It might be that at the time this was considered enough,

as most of us had nothing to compare it with to or had Information Available.

So low cost to produce, quick hit and gone. It looks the business, especially in the Atco Cover.

I do know what you mean though, throughout the years there have been some extremely good copies

difficult to detect even today.

Then there are the obvious, as you say wrong coloured paper etc.

Might just be a balance of cost against return. The more work you have to put in to copy Matrix etc,

Type/Colour of paper, Increases the cost to produce.

Another possibility was the differences that the West Coast / East Coast pressing plants naturally through into the pot.

(i.e. The Good old Delta Number) Monarch kept rigidly to their system, (thankfully),

Incrementing the number through the Months & Years.

I will be scanning and posting more stuff in the near future, thanks again for your support.

[45cellar]

hi roger

yes as a young boy this was one of those counterfeits i was sold as a real un

paid £3 for it when it shoulda been 50p. it was only when i got loads of other

atlantic distributed tunes that i realised they all had an "AT" and a "W" scratched

in the deadwax for the new york copies. the west coast are all delta stamped but

theres another pressing plant that used to do atlantic with shiny moulded over labels

and a stamp in a circle i think. not sure where they are from......middle america maybe

Ended up with a uk red atlantic darrell banks in the end

dave

Hi Dave

Yes, I obtained my counterfeit under very similar circumstances.

It's not until you study the deadwax, that things start to fall into place.

Thanks for pointing out the different pressing plants for the Genuine Originals.

That was another lesson learnt in the early days, just because one copy doesn't look exactly the same as another,

It doesn't mean that it isn't an original, it's just the different pressing plants that were used at the time, Coast to Coast.

Nice to own on a U.K. Red Atlantic, I started off collecting the U.K. stuff.

Only ever had one chance at this one, but couldn't afford it at the time.