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Title: elgins - put yourself in my place - vip
Artist: elgins
Track: put yourself in my place
Label: vip

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We have the name change from THE DOWNBEATS to THE ELGINS with STICKERS covering THE DOWNBEATS etc.

The Staggered VIP LOGO for the DEMO and later VIP Design for THE DOWNBEATS.

Later VIP Design for THE ELGINS

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Just bought this on the Earlier VIP Design as a DEMO (MONARCH PRESS)

Monarch did have the habit of using the Earlier Designs for a longer period of time to other pressing plants.

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Group name "ELGINS" rather than THE ELGINS

Guessing there's a Stock Copy on the Earlier Design too for the West Coast Press.

Any West Coast Early Design as THE DOWNBEATS ?

How many Variations are out there for this release ?

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think mine is same as the second one shown Roger.

I'll check!

:hatsoff2:

Sean

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Thanks Sean

Wondering if just one Pressing Plant was Involved by allowing THE DOWNBEATS copies to escape.

Must have been late in production when the Artists name was changed, Stock Copies Involved as THE DOWNBEATS.

My DEMO has Delta # 59496 / Delta # 59497 which places it at October / November 1965 >>> ANORAK'S CORNER <<<

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My Downbeats' White DJ is an RCA (Midwest) pressing,- K4M-4907-1.

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My Downbeats' White DJ is an RCA (Midwest) pressing,- K4M-4907-1.

Many Thanks, is that the Straight VIP Logo at the side.

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Many Thanks, is that the Straight VIP Logo at the side.

No. It seems to be the same issue as the scan above, from Popsike, with the straddled V.I.P.

Here is mine:

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By rob_k at 2011-05-21

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No. It seems to be the same issue as the scan above, from Popsike, with the straddled V.I.P.

Here is mine:

downbeats2.jpg

By rob_k at 2011-05-21

Thanks again. (Midwest) pressing,

I assume that they must have gone to press before Monarch.

or at least printed the labels.

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I've got a straight VIP logo WDJ of Downbeats. Same pressing as Bob but not staggered.

ROD

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Thanks Rod

Your DEMO to this Stock Copy EAST COAST

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I assume that the;

Vinyl

  • EAST COAST = Straight VIP at side Label Number, situated to the right on a DEMO / Stock Copy.

  • MIDWEST = Staggered VIP DEMO - Label Number at the bottom DEMO / Stock Copy.

Styrene

  • WEST COAST = Normally MULTICOLOURED DEMO (Sometimes WHITE / BLACK DEMO), Bold Text.

I wonder if there's a MONARCH press for DOWNBEATS out there too as a DEMO or Stock Copy.

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I think that staggered V.I.P. was a misprint, and the real design intended was straight vertical. I've seen the vertical on some other WDJ issues.

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I think that staggered V.I.P. was a misprint, and the real design intended was straight vertical. I've seen the vertical on some other WDJ issues.

Many Thanks, Your Identification of a Midwest Copy fills a gap in the puzzle.

I have no doubt that the VIP Logo was Intended to be Straight.

However, The Various Pressing Plants and Printer appear to have left clues as to the region the record was pressed.

Quality Control didn't specify regards to Label Layout.

Just piecing together the different pressing plants, staggered VIP appears on quite a few releases and I believe.

Looking at the Layout, gives a clue to pressing plant.

WEST COAST (Styrene Bold Text) - Expect a Multicoloured DEMO, although some releases are Black / White

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EAST COAST = STRAIGHT VIP LOGO (Vinyl) Label Number to right.

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EAST COAST = DOUBLE SIDED STOCK COPY - (USED FOR PROMOTION I BELEIVE)

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MIDWEST = STAGGERED VIP LOGO (Vinyl) Label Number at Bottom.

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The position of the Label Credits, match on all three.

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EAST COAST : "Arp" DEMO Credited to The Elgins
 
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EAST COAST : "Arp" Stock Copy Credited to THE DOWNBEATS

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However, It is the MIDWEST Copies that carry THE DOWNBEATS as a DEMO Format

 

MIDWEST :

 

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Here it is with "THE ELGINS" Sticker over THE DOWNBEATS Printed Label Credit
 
WEST COAST : Monarch
 
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This is a DEMO on the Early V.I.P. Design yet it is credited to ELGINS not DOWNBEATS

The West Coast Monarchs tended to keep the Early Design for a longer period across the Motown Catalogue.

I would love to see a West Coast Stock Copy with the early design if one does exist.

As already mentioned, the name change happened quite late in the printing / pressing stage.

Who I ask would therefore be credited on the 1st Batch  West Coast Stock Copy.

 

Here is a West Coast copy with the Later Design and ELGINS Credit

Could this be the only West Coast Stock Copy

 

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ARGENTINA :

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Edited by 45cellar

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