Pete S Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Funniest thing I have ever heard, I will get the presciption tomorrow and drive around straight away Pete Sorry John I've realised since baby came along that there are lots more important things in life than records, like chickens for instance, so don't take me too seriously unless I'm slagging off modern soul. Having said that, I still think the Len Barry versions aren't that great. But on a similar theme: John Madara must surely have produced Will You Still Love me by Bunny Sigler on decca - WHAT A VERSION THAT IS!!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Oops yes all the replies in these threads are out of chronological order for me now since al the site cahnges and i cant get 'em back to the way it was - so i missed Tony's posting. But we seem to have a conflict here amongst the experts over who did 'Love Love Love' first - Bobby or Len ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest BIGBOY Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Sorry John I've realised since baby came along that there are lots more important things in life than records, like chickens for instance, so don't take me too seriously unless I'm slagging off modern soul. Having said that, I still think the Len Barry versions aren't that great. But on a similar theme: John Madara must surely have produced Will You Still Love me by Bunny Sigler on decca - WHAT A VERSION THAT IS!!! Shit well I never. Listen mate this is a free country and a democratic one, so we are told so you are entitled to your opinion the same as anybody else. Take you too seriously - never would, I realised years ago your were an obvious candidate for sectioning. Talking off Bunny Sigler....have you heard the other unissued version of Girl Don't Make Me Wait? MORE IMPORTANT THINGS IN LIFE THAN RECORDS. 1. Sleeves to put them in. 2. A nice sharp needle to play them with. 3. Shelves to put them all on. 4. Not having a cleaner who drops and breaks them. AND LASTLY 5. A nice big horn with no fucking dog sticking his nose in it. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Oops yes all the replies in these threads are out of chronological order for me now since al the site cahnges and i cant get 'em back to the way it was - so i missed Tony's posting. But we seem to have a conflict here amongst the experts over who did 'Love Love Love' first - Bobby or Len ? Simon you look very butch in that lovely t shirt Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rotherham Soul Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 (edited) Soundfile for anybody interested 1Len_Barry___I_ll_Always_Need_You.mp3 Edited April 9, 2006 by rotherham soul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soultown andy Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Just listend to the sound file its good but not as good as dean courtney imho. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest BIGBOY Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Just listend to the sound file its good but not as good as dean courtney imho. SOUNDFILES ARE USEFUL AS A GUIDE, BUT IF I WAS HONEST THIS SOUNDS TOTALLY DIFFERENT PLAYED ON A SYSTEM...................LOUD Try listening to a soundfile of Dean................ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Eamesy Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Right about it being played at Cleethorpes,wasn´t it a lad from Leeds? little Gary who had found it? remember Clarkie sent me a tape years ago with it on as well, did he also own one at one time? Steve Think Clarkie probably taped it from Tony Ellis copy which got played at Yate. Tony still has it I think. Alan Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest ShaneH Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 both versions awful imo reminds me of my trip to vegas in 2001 Shane Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Baz Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 both versions awful imo Spot on Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest BIGBOY Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 both versions awful imo reminds me of my trip to vegas in 2001 Shane Shane, I know its just too fast for you, not enough soul oozing from the groove. We need more soul............. The scene is essentially a dance scene, you are dismissing one of the all time great tracks............not enough soul..............too fast.......need more soul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest ShaneH Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Shane, I know its just too fast for you, not enough soul oozing from the groove. We need more soul............. The scene is essentially a dance scene, you are dismissing one of the all time great tracks............not enough soul..............too fast.......need more soul i could probably dance to it if i got into character...... maybe a crushed velvet waistcoat, high slacks, brylcreamed up and if possible appear from behind a gold sparkly curtain i could walk round the tables whispering things into the ladies ears whilst the fellas grit their teeth at me its far too schmoooozy for me Shane ps. hello john Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest BIGBOY Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 i could probably dance to it if i got into character...... maybe a crushed velvet waistcoat, high slacks, brylcreamed up and if possible appear from behind a gold sparkly curtain i could walk round the tables whispering things into the ladies ears whilst the fellas grit their teeth at me its far too schmoooozy for me Shane ps. hello john Shane, enough boy....................................... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest 50box Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Soundfile for anybody interested Love Love Love Love on the floor by him. This is more northerny than Dean Courtney, if you`re up for that sort of thing Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Denbo Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Love Love Love Love on the floor by him. This is more northerny than Dean Courtney, if you`re up for that sort of thing LOVE your avatar!!! :o) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark B Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 LOVE your avatar!!! :o) it was richard who played it and he was leaving carolines in manchester when he put it on the roof of his car and that was the end of his copy, are you saying there is some other tracks on the acetate than on the planned lp release john. mark Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest 50box Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 LOVE your avatar!!! :o) Ta Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest BIGBOY Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 -->QUOTE(mark.b @ Apr 9 2006, 10:29 PM) link it was richard who played it and he was leaving carolines in manchester when he put it on the roof of his car and that was the end of his copy, are you saying there is some other tracks on the acetate than on the planned lp release john. mark Don't know because nobody has yet given me a track listing for this planned LP. "I'm In Love" is an unknown track featured on the acetate, this is nothing short of sensational. The Joey Heatherton song is something else - it just doesn't bear comparison. One point having had studio album acetates in the past I made a point of checking the sound levels. All the tracks have been recorded at single 7" levels. Compared with some of my sixties vinyl the acetate album is louder! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
BrianB Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow by Bunny Sigler is outstanding. I love the Shirelles version, but this is mind blowing. Was it ever released? I also find it difficult to believe that Len Barry recorded the original of Love Love Love. How do we verify this? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
grant Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Sure it was Tony Ellis whowas playing it at Yate. While on the subject of unreleased LPs without covers, in the 70s I picked up the sountrack LP of "Out of sight". Again it was on Brunswick, with a full label, no sleeve and it had a different mix of Dobie Gray "Out on the floor". Right at the end, as he finished he adds on "Out of sight". Not heard of any more copies of this one. Got the 'Out Of Sight' soundtrack LP - with sleeve, have to check but pretty sure it's on Decca. Anyone else heard this - it does have a slightly different version of Dobie Gray's 'Out On the Floor' on it by the man himself. Picked this up a few years back - anyone else seen copies of this? Grant Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 (edited) Oops yes all the replies in these threads are out of chronological order for me now since al the site cahnges and i cant get 'em back to the way it was - so i missed Tony's posting. But we seem to have a conflict here amongst the experts over who did 'Love Love Love' first - Bobby or Len ? There's no confliction who was first with Love, Love Love John Madara says Len did it first.. unless someone knows more than the guy who produced it.. Edited April 10, 2006 by john manship Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 (edited) Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow by Bunny Sigler is outstanding. I love the Shirelles version, but this is mind blowing. Was it ever released? I also find it difficult to believe that Len Barry recorded the original of Love Love Love. How do we verify this? Bobby Hebb love love love was issued in 1966 same year as the Len Barry's unissued LP. Most important factor is DOUBLE DIAMOND PUBLISHING.. see all John Madara's other songs Decca, Parkway etc: this was John Madara's/David White publishing company. John Madara states Len's version was first. Ross & Renzetti worked with Madara & White abnd Leon Huff in Philadelphia.... The acetate LP track listing can be seen at ROTR at the site page 39. This was the acetate for the proposed for his IT'S THAT TIME OF THE YEAR lp that never got released or got a cover because Len Barry jumped ship for RCA. His first RCA 45 was 1967.. PS we have Bunny Sigler's version of Will You Still Love Me tomorrow at the site, I think it has a soundbite. If not I'll get one up there in a few mins.. The flips side is a totally awesome ballad.. a terrific over-looked disc. sound clip for you https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/search.php?Po...=59&Submit.y=14 Edited April 10, 2006 by john manship Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sheep Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 love both versions of "ille always need you" but always had a likeing for the Len Barry Version have played it out loads of times from the Kent Album with sleeve notes by Ady in the welsh swamps of tennessee or some such thing Excellent dance soul cant knock it Doug Whether you like one version over another is a choice thing and subject. Personaly from a dance point of view i prefer the Dean Coutney, but i also like the Len Barry just as much, I think there is room on the scene for both, is'nt there.! SHEEP Whether you like one version over another is a choice thing and subjective. Personaly from a dance point of view i prefer the Dean Coutney, but i also like the Len Barry just as much, I think there is room on the scene for both, is'nt there.! SHEEP Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Netspeaky Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Played Len's version of "Will you still love me tomorrow" over the weekend, almost as if it was tailor made for the northern scene. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
SteveM Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Funniest thing I have ever heard, I will get the presciption tomorrow and drive around straight away Pete John, Not the first time its been played at Sams. John Manship played it when guesting after Ian D had gone and before Sam was a regular. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tony Smith Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Got the 'Out Of Sight' soundtrack LP - with sleeve, have to check but pretty sure it's on Decca. Anyone else heard this - it does have a slightly different version of Dobie Gray's 'Out On the Floor' on it by the man himself. Picked this up a few years back - anyone else seen copies of this? Grant Yes, Tony Warot used to play it out occasionally. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Not disputing John Madera said that Mr Manship, as you say he should know. I was just pointing out that we had conflicting information here. The stuff of which legends are made in fact. As it's all forty years ago now, things get lost in the mists of time ! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 John, Not the first time its been played at Sams. John Manship played it when guesting after Ian D had gone and before Sam was a regular. Steve, Shows how my brain is these days..I can't remember playing..or even owning the LP..maybe Gary Fields or someone passed it to me to play.. or more likely my memory is fading.... What a fabulous LP though.. a legend! John Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
SteveM Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Steve, Shows how my brain is these days..I can't remember playing..or even owning the LP..maybe Gary Fields or someone passed it to me to play.. or more likely my memory is fading.... What a fabulous LP though.. a legend! John I remember it well John and ran over to see it. Thought it sounded brilliant. You can remember guesting at Sams though ? Just in case JEV has forgot Steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Billy Freemantle Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Isn't the production Len Barry "I'll always need you" just too jolly and London Palladiumish to be a serious soul record? This wouldn't have been out of place on one of those Casino Classics LPs along with Tony Blackburn? Ba -Ba Ba Ba - Ba Ba - Bab Ba By the way does anyone know where and when and by whom Bobby Hebb's Love Love was broken? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
John Al Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Isn't the production Len Barry "I'll always need you" just too jolly and London Palladiumish to be a serious soul record? This wouldn't have been out of place on one of those Casino Classics LPs along with Tony Blackburn? Ba -Ba Ba Ba - Ba Ba - Bab Ba By the way does anyone know where and when and by whom Bobby Hebb's Love Love was broken? Yup, you are right (as is Pete) - it is awful. Why all the hype though. Are there bootlegs (oops, sorry, re-issues) to follow soon? Some things never change huh. John Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Isn't the production Len Barry "I'll always need you" just too jolly and London Palladiumish to be a serious soul record? This wouldn't have been out of place on one of those Casino Classics LPs along with Tony Blackburn? Ba -Ba Ba Ba - Ba Ba - Bab Ba By the way does anyone know where and when and by whom Bobby Hebb's Love Love was broken? Either the Torch or the Catacombs. Probably. I've got it on a tape from the Cats. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Trevski Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 (edited) Isn't the production Len Barry "I'll always need you" just too jolly and London Palladiumish to be a serious soul record? This wouldn't have been out of place on one of those Casino Classics LPs along with Tony Blackburn? Ba -Ba Ba Ba - Ba Ba - Bab Ba TRUE. Dean Courtney's version is far better, as are Joey Heathertons, and Bobby Hebbs. Aside from the fact that lyricaly, "when you call me baby" is far better suited to a female vocal anyway...... Edited April 10, 2006 by Trevski Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 sIMON, See the last line of my post??????????? are all the ORIGINAL versions as per John Madara Just to settle this "who recorded it first" debate - The Bobby Hebb "Love Love Love" session was held in NYC on February 21st, 1966 The Len Barry "Love Love Love" session was held in NYC on April 4th, 1966 Whatever John Madara says, that makes Bobby the winner! (Info taken from the respective record companies' own session logs, via Michel Ruppli's discographies) TONE Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Just to settle this "who recorded it first" debate - The Bobby Hebb "Love Love Love" session was held in NYC on February 21st, 1966 The Len Barry "Love Love Love" session was held in NYC on April 4th, 1966 Whatever John Madara says, that makes Bobby the winner! (Info taken from the respective record companies' own session logs, via Michel Ruppli's discographies) TONE I think we can forgive John Madara 40 years later and being 42 days out.... can't we? On that other subject about The London Palladium..Len Barry did play there in '66 so maybe the LP was aim that getting another booking.. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Billy Freemantle Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 (edited) Either the Torch or the Catacombs. Probably. I've got it on a tape from the Cats. What year would this be, Pete? I remember it from about 1969. By this I mean that people had Love, Love Love Bobby Hebb in their collections. Someone reckoned that it was first played at the Mecca by Tony Jebb and that it hadn't been played anywhere before this. Specifically, it had not been played at The Wheel. Does anyone have a sound file of Len Barry's 'Love, love love'? Edited April 10, 2006 by Billy Freemantle Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon T Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 What year would this be, Pete? I remember it from about 1969. By this I mean that people had Love, Love Love Bobby Hebb in their collections. Someone reckoned that it was first played at the Mecca by Tony Jebb and that it hadn't been played anywhere before this. Specifically, it had not been played at The Wheel. Does anyone have a sound file of Len Barry's 'Love, love love'? Love the bongos Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Billy Freemantle Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Thanks Simon T. Love, love, love the bongos too. But doesn't even this one edge toward cabaret? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 What year would this be, Pete? I remember it from about 1969. By this I mean that people had Love, Love Love Bobby Hebb in their collections. Someone reckoned that it was first played at the Mecca by Tony Jebb and that it hadn't been played anywhere before this. Specifically, it had not been played at The Wheel. Does anyone have a sound file of Len Barry's 'Love, love love'? "Someone" was right - this was a 100% Mecca record originally - I think, maybe, courtesy of the late Sandy Mountain at Starpic Records. I believe that I was there the first night that it was played - filled the floor in an instant. It was reissued very quickly during the big splurge that killed off records like "What About The Music" and "You're Ready Now", and I feel it never had a chance to work up a full head of steam first time round. For some reason it always makes me think of Martyn Ellis - not that I especially need a record to remind me of 'Mad' Martin, but.... TONE Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
John Al Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Thanks Simon T. Love, love, love the bongos too. But doesn't even this one edge toward cabaret? Yes, and doesn't get anywhere near Bobby Hebb. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Billy Freemantle Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 "Someone" was right - this was a 100% Mecca record originally - I think, maybe, courtesy of the late Sandy Mountain at Starpic Records. I believe that I was there the first night that it was played - filled the floor in an instant.TONE Could you date the first play? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Billy Freemantle Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 [ Love, love, love] was reissued very quickly during the big splurge that killed off records like "What About The Music" and "You're Ready Now'. TONE I remember a story that a young Ian Levine took the record to his dad who used his contacts to get Philips to reissue it. Any truth? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Could you date the first play? Gimme a break, I was young and full of drugs back then!!! "Sometime" in 1971 is about as close as I can get - maybe around late Summer/early Autumn, or thereabouts. Can't really be more precise - given what I was like back then, it's a miracle that I can remember hearing it at all!!!! Please don't berate me if my sense of chronolgy's a bit skewed... TONY Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 I remember a story that a young Ian Levine took the record to his dad who used his contacts to get Philips to reissue it. Any truth? My friendship with Ian predates the Northern scene, but I've never heard that one. I do remember taking him to the club near where I grew up, "The Orsett Cock" where DJs Chris Hill (yes, that Chris Hill) and Mike Franz stood back in amazement/amusement as Ian gave a one man demonstration of Northern dancing - possibly the first of its kind to be seen in the South! - to ""You're Ready Now". You have to remember that Ian was not even half the weight he is now in those days. Come to think of it, nor was I. happy days.... T Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Billy Freemantle Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 My friendship with Ian predates the Northern scene, but I've never heard that one. I do remember taking him to the club near where I grew up, "The Orsett Cock" where DJs Chris Hill (yes, that Chris Hill) and Mike Franz stood back in amazement/amusement as Ian gave a one man demonstration of Northern dancing - possibly the first of its kind to be seen in the South! - to ""You're Ready Now". You have to remember that Ian was not even half the weight he is now in those days. Come to think of it, nor was I. happy days.... T It's the pre Northern scene Ian that I have in mind. It could be coincidental, or even the stuff of urban legends, but the story goes that the young teenage holidaying Ian met some proto-type Northern Soul boys ( before Dave Godin had coined the term) and listened in amazement to tales of rare records and record values. One of these boys had a copy of 'Love, love love' Bobby Hebb and proudly displayed it to young Ian. A few weeks later it was reisssued. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 It's the pre Northern scene Ian that I have in mind. It could be coincidental, or even the stuff of urban legends, but the story goes that the young teenage holidaying Ian met some proto-type Northern Soul boys ( before Dave Godin had coined the term) and listened in amazement to tales of rare records and record values. One of these boys had a copy of 'Love, love love' Bobby Hebb and proudly displayed it to young Ian. A few weeks later it was reisssued. Actually, now I've checked my research a little bit more thoroughly I find that LLL wasn't reissued until the late spring of 1972 It made the UK charts in early Summer of that year, so that skews that story's chronology somewhat. Ian already knew plenty about rare records and their values by then, I can assure you! It also means that it probably received its first Mecca play a bit later than I originally remembered - maybe around October '71. It was a big tune at the same time as "Next In Line", "Little Queenie", "I Feel An Urge Comin' On", "I Don't Want To Discuss It"( which Tony Jebb would often finish an evening with) -oh yeah, and Robert Banks' "Mighty Good Way", the first record I can ever recall anyone - Tony Jebb, in this instance - playing out off an EMIdisc... Those were the days when Levine was too shy (!!!!!!) to play his own records in public and used to let Les Cokell spin a lot of his prime rarities during his spots (to be fair to Les, he also had a lot of great records of his own, by the way...). I still remember Ian's first set at the Mecca, when Les was unwell. It was supposed to be a one-off.... TONE Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Billy Freemantle Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Actually, now I've checked my research a little bit more thoroughly I find that LLL wasn't reissued until the late spring of 1972 It made the UK charts in early Summer of that year, so that skews that story's chronology somewhat. Ian already knew plenty about rare records and their values by then, I can assure you! TONE Must be urban legend then. Or is is time to reveal deep throat? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest BIGBOY Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Thanks Simon T. Love, love, love the bongos too. But doesn't even this one edge toward cabaret? This just gets dafter now we are talking about cabaret............. Lets get the facts right - Richard broke a few good tunes in his day. I worked alongside Richard for a few years at Wigan. I broke a few good tunes as well. Richard obviously thought it was good. I think its good. Cabaret it certainly isn't, so its going to get played again................ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest dundeedavie Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 This just gets dafter now we are talking about cabaret............. Lets get the facts right - Richard broke a few good tunes in his day. I worked alongside Richard for a few years at Wigan. I broke a few good tunes as well. Richard obviously thought it was good. I think its good. Cabaret it certainly isn't, so its going to get played again................ am i wrong and i mean no offence (unusually for me ) but surely they are just different takes on records that are played to death oldies anyway ...no? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest ShaneH Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 am i wrong and i mean no offence (unusually for me ) but surely they are just different takes on records that are played to death oldies anyway ...no? correct. unfashionable. dated. cheesy.out of place. uninspiring. the only positive is that we now have another version of a quirky oldie. just like that 'faith and understanding' thing that gets played. i am sure it will work wonders with the oldies crowd though. Shane Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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