Eddie Parker On Manships Site

[Dobber]

there always has and always will be a handful of records that achieve large amounts of dough,and if ever a record deserves to be in that list it is definitely Eddie Parker,it's dripping in northern soul,it really don't come any better!

[Theothertosspot]

My take on it is THIS record may as well not exist because with the condition and price it is commanding, I cannot imagine it will see any turntable action and will just be a trophy piece (although I could be wrong and apologies if I am).

As said above (# 50) I agree whole heartily, although I too would like the record, I'll settle for the boot for my own pleasure and the original to dance to at someone else's expense.

Regards TOTP

Edited January 25, 2013 by theothertosspot

[Len]

it's dripping in northern soul,it really don't come any better!

What a fantastic description! - That's better than of a rare record I have that my my mate recently described the label being as (and I quote) "Christ Len, that label seems to Northern Soul to be true!" - It floored me, I can tell ya! lol

All the best,

Len

[sir cumference]

there always has and always will be a handful of records that achieve large amounts of dough,and if ever a record deserves to be in that list it is definitely Eddie Parker,it's dripping in northern soul,it really don't come any better!

Well-we must all agree that it`s certainly fetched strong money for 40ish years and it`s obviously well loved.

But is it any better than a fair few tunes out there?And it is heard out a lot.Definitely not "Rare and Underplayed"

[Len]

Well-we must all agree that it`s certainly fetched strong money for 40ish years and it`s obviously well loved.

But is it any better than a fair few tunes out there?

Actually although I 'hate to say it'...but, yeh, it is actually

'Tis to my eyes anyway'...Damn 'Ears' I meant!

All the best,

Len

Edited January 25, 2013 by LEN

[Dobber]

if this was my first introduction into northern soul I would have been running to get to an allnighter,this record to my ears is f**in awesome!

[sir cumference]

Actually although I 'hate to say it'...but, yeh, it is actually

'Tis to my eyes anyway'...Damn 'Ears' I meant!

All the best,

Know what you`re saying-it`s just that it gets played out lots and maybe I.. have reached that "overkill" point,though it was(is)a superlative sound.

Maybe it`s been a long week and I`m just too tired to be objective(just objectionable)

Len

[Guest sharmo 1]

An altine classic and over five grans but what would it's value be in another ten years ?

[Len]

My hobby is 'being facetious for the sake of being facetious' - Great fun around 80% of the time!

All the best,

Len

Edited January 25, 2013 by LEN

[Len]

An altine classic and over five grans but what would it's value be in another ten years ?

About a tenna most probably - No 'facetiousiosness' intended

All the best,

Len

[Davebanks]

Since I first heard this nearly 40 years ago this has been to me the epitome of NS.

Super vocal, so neat lyrics and soooo rare, its what NS is all about. And one of those rare records that is great on the dancefloor, thru the headphones, in the car or under the sheets.

The reason you travelled all those miles stayed up all night; just to be part of a scene that could find and play such superb soul, the essence of black America in the 60's that chimed so well with northern England in the early 70's.

It still moves the heart and the feet to this day nearly 50 years after it was made; artistic brilliance.

Now, where did I put the wifes gold credit card ??????

Dave Banks

[Dobber]

Since I first heard this nearly 40 years ago this has been to me the epitome of NS.

Super vocal, so neat lyrics and soooo rare, its what NS is all about. And one of those rare records that is great on the dancefloor, thru the headphones, in the car or under the sheets.

The reason you travelled all those miles stayed up all night; just to be part of a scene that could find and play such superb soul, the essence of black America in the 60's that chimed so well with northern England in the early 70's.

It still moves the heart and the feet to this day nearly 50 years after it was made; artistic brilliance.

Now, where did I put the wifes gold credit card ??????

Dave Banks

well put mate word for word!

[Peter99]

It's proper Northern Soul of the highest order no question. An awesome dance record that you can do some of those jerky moves to.

Peter

[Sheldonsoul]

My fav all time record outstripping everything else, when my 50th came up last year the missus hired a good old wigan mate of mine to dj for an hour( jimmy Sheard) and as I walked into the room all I heard was the intro and I buckled , nice to no mates of 30 years remembered ep was my fav tune

[Jaco]

Well-we must all agree that it`s certainly fetched strong money for 40ish years and it`s obviously well loved.

But is it any better than a fair few tunes out there?And it is heard out a lot.Definitely not "Rare and Underplayed"

Actually it is better than most tunes out there, not just a few. Subjective I know but I am actually right on this.

This thing about being played out a lot.

Being heard out a lot may well diminish the general perception about the quality of a track - familiarity breeds contempt, that kind of stuff, - but a cold light of day and therefore clinical assessment of this particular track and others that apparently suffer from over exposure ought to confirm that it's appeal should remain intact because quality will trump excess every time.

Does this happen in pop music?

Does the fact that you might have heard something like "He ain't heavy" a zillion times make it any less recognised as an absolute stone cold gem?

[Amsterdam Russ]

So, let's ask the question...

Who's got one of these in their collection?

[Guest giant]

Who he 2?

who he 3 ?

[Guest giant]

Did I or did I not put one up for auction on here on someone's behalf maybe 4, 5 years ago and it didn't reach it's reserve of £4,500? So it's now worth more than double that is it?

only because JM is auctioning it.

[Iancsloft]

An altine classic and over five grans but what would it's value be in another ten years ?

Just depends who,s still kicking about lol

[Dave Pinch]

there must be 100+ copies of this kickin about in collections.......and its probably only me that thinks the flip side is bettter

[Philt]

Spot on Dave. Really good record, obviously, but hardly the 'grail' ( how many of those can there be?) some tout it as.

5k+? Lol, on what basis? Definitely a supply / demand as opposed to [serious] rarity thing IMHO. I'd like to see em all on a table then invite folk to get their wad of tenners out

Edited January 26, 2013 by PhilT

[Kev John]

Don't forget Billy Sha Rae's version of this imo is just as good & a lot cheaper LOL

atb Kev

[NEV]

there must be 100+ copies of this kickin about in collections.......and its probably only me that thinks the flip side is bettter

Not sure how many copies are kicking about Dave but there'll be one getting played at The R.A.F.A club in Newton Aycliffe next Saturday night

You and Bri guesting as well I believe ?

Maybe even get to hear both sides

Regarding the actual record , it's one of the records that I prefer to use as a example, to explain what my idea of a northern soul record should sound like ,to people who think the snake is a great record !

Amazing to see people putting £10k figures on the end price ,surely not ?

As a last thought ,people put this as their favourite and the epitome of proper "Northern soul " ...is it any better though than the Precisions - if this is love ?

But that's too common to be anyone's epitome eh

[Dave Pinch]

i totally agree with phil and nev,,,,,i mean its a great record..8 out of 10 imo...... ..still a rare and iconic record.....but a 10 copy item......err no....i wouldnt use it to describe northern either.......moses smith or epitome of sound for that

[Markw]

....i wouldnt use it to describe northern either.......moses smith or epitome of sound for that

You what!?? It ain't soulful house, is it?.......

[Sheldonsoul]

Ok here's a random question you have 8/10 grand to spend would you buy for example a mint Eddie Parker or a mint jd Bryant , my choice would be Eddie Parker without a doubt

[Steve L]

Spot on Dave. Really good record, obviously, but hardly the 'grail' ( how many of those can there be?) some tout it as.

5k+? Lol, on what basis? Definitely a supply / demand as opposed to [serious] rarity thing IMHO. I'd like to see em all on a table then invite folk to get their wad of tenners out

Does the fact that it's Jack Ashford copy come into play for some Phil?

BTW who discovered this/ first played it /where / when etc? My memory is failing by the day - late 70s?

[Markw]

Don't forget Billy Sha Rae's version of this imo is just as good

atb Kev

Oh no it isn't!

[Jumpinjoan]

Ok here's a random question you have 8/10 grand to spend would you buy for example a mint Eddie Parker or a mint jd Bryant , my choice would be Eddie Parker without a doubt

JD Bryant? Jeez, I wouldn't buy one of those for a tenner

[Sheldonsoul]

JD Bryant? Jeez, I wouldn't buy one of those for a tenner

proper pile of shit ain't it

[John A]

An altine classic and over five grans but what would it's value be in another ten years ?

fifty quid

[Dave Pinch]

You what!?? It ain't soulful house, is it?.......

dont missunderstand me mark..i never said eddie p is not northern....i`m saying when i describe northern to folk that dont know,,i dont use the snake ..eddie p or frank wilson. if i had the money eddie parker would get the vote over j d bryant..but would lose out to the cheatin kind, inspirations on breakthrough or the springers

p.s what is soulful house

[Jumpinjoan]

As a last thought ,people put this as their favourite and the epitome of proper "Northern soul " ...is it any better though than the Precisions - if this is love ?

But that's too common to be anyone's epitome eh

Precisions is an incredible record without a shadow of a doubt, superb!! No Eddie Parker though

[Harry Crosby]

Allways has been and allways will be my number one northern soul record, just epitomises everything about the scene, a storming dance record that also oozes soulful vocals. I`m no dancer but those first few bars have a strange effect on me and just pull me from my seat. DETROIT SOUL AT ITS FINEST [iMO].

[Pete S]

Was never a major record when it was first played, only had a brief few weeks before it was bootlegged. I mean, people liked it, but there was no stampede to the dancefloor if you know what I mean. Only Richard Searling had a copy I think. At Wigan, I mean. I remember someone I used to swap tapes with telling me he bought it at The Torch for £1 on the back of Love You Baby being popular.

Edited January 26, 2013 by Pete S

[Dave Pinch]

Was never a major record when it was first played, only had a brief few weeks before it was bootlegged. I mean, people liked it, but there was no stampede to the dancefloor if you know what I mean. Only Richard Searling had a copy I think. At Wigan, I mean. I remember someone I used to swap tapes with telling me he bought it at The Torch for £1 on the back of Love You Baby being popular.

graham williamson told me he once bought a copy for £1 ,,early 70`s

[Markw]

p.s what is soulful house

dunno.....

[Kev John]

Oh no it isn't!

Oh yes it is !!!!!!!!

Kev

[Pete S]

graham williamson told me he once bought a copy for £1 ,,early 70`s

That's the man Dave.

[Wiganer1]

Was never a major record when it was first played, only had a brief few weeks before it was bootlegged. I mean, people liked it, but there was no stampede to the dancefloor if you know what I mean. Only Richard Searling had a copy I think. At Wigan, I mean. I remember someone I used to swap tapes with telling me he bought it at The Torch for £1 on the back of Love You Baby being popular.

[Wiganer1]

Spoke to Richard a few weeks ago. He bought off soul bowl for 25 quid in 76. Didn't take off for a couple of years . I love this tune and is up there with the best dancers. Hear it most weeks as all the big djs have a copy and always gets spun.

[Jim Ohara]

Spoke to Richard a few weeks ago. He bought off soul bowl for 25 quid in 76. Didn't take off for a couple of years . I love this tune and is up there with the best dancers. Hear it most weeks as all the big djs have a copy and always gets spun.

That sounds about right timing wise as I remember Searling playing this at Clouds in Edinburgh around 1979 - I was but a lad, but remember most of RS's stuff around that time - Rita and the tiarras, al Williams etc. etc. - first batch of "newies" ( as opposed to "60's newies" played much later) getting played on the scene

Incredible foresight at he time!

[Marc Forrest]

Spoke to Richard a few weeks ago. He bought off soul bowl for 25 quid in 76. Didn't take off for a couple of years . I love this tune and is up there with the best dancers. Hear it most weeks as all the big djs have a copy and always gets spun.

the fact that searlings copy (one of the first) came via john anderson goes congruent with post #36 which inform us that soul bowl had a "three figure quatity"...so we can rest assure that there are about 100, 200 or even more copies tucked away safely in English collections. A mega rarity ? definitely not. A mega kudos, trophy or icon record ? judging by the feedback on this thread definitely yes. so the only thing that seems to "justify" its current price hike must be the latter plus the big bouns of this copy coming along with a nice letter of authenticity from mr jack ashford himself!

so nth wrong with the current price, its the bidders money. if people want it that bad that they go and bid theirselves up (but why oh why so early in the auction process ?!) and remember: it only takes two (bidders). In the end it will be only good for JA who will get a nice return on his copy I suppose ? Most likely it will be more than he had a return on this disc back in the day LOL!

Final line: its definitely not a 5000 gbp..let alone 10k record (to me), if it was and if the justification for it being a 5000+ gbp record would be its status as one of the holy grails and icon records everything incl. salvadors, del larks etc would have to be a 10k 45. will it still reach more than 6000 gbp though? I am most definitely sure it will. Only can hope the next people trying to sell their copies wont take the upcoming auction result as an indicator for how much their copy is worth..

Marc

NB

I really love -and thats not tongue in cheek- I really love reading JM`s auction talk/item descriptions. I really think they are brilliant and I often wonder how he manages to come up with new superlatives for all those precious and pricey records again and again. would be nice and interesting to have a tool to controll and match how much impact they have on the final auction result.

[Pete S]

That sounds about right timing wise as I remember Searling playing this at Clouds in Edinburgh around 1979 - I was but a lad, but remember most of RS's stuff around that time - Rita and the tiarras, al Williams etc. etc. - first batch of "newies" ( as opposed to "60's newies" played much later) getting played on the scene

Incredible foresight at he time!

Jim he must have been playing it as a 'rare oldie' at that time because it was played in mid-77, booted and dropped - it's on the Wigan tape I recorded at the time (15/10/77)

https://www.mixcloud.com/mayfairmenthol/wigan-casino-live-15-10-1977-northern-soul/

[Dobber]

Ok here's a random question you have 8/10 grand to spend would you buy for example a mint Eddie Parker or a mint jd Bryant , my choice would be Eddie Parker without a doubt

I've just recently got jd Bryant,I've wanted that record since I was a kid,but if the Eddie Parker was on offer on the same day it would have been a tough decision but I might have gone with the Eddie parker,just cus the tune gets me proper excited! although I'm very pleased with jd Bryant spinning away on my turntable!

[Jim Ohara]

Jim he must have been playing it as a 'rare oldie' at that time because it was played in mid-77, booted and dropped - it's on the Wigan tape I recorded at the time (15/10/77)

https://www.mixcloud.com/mayfairmenthol/wigan-casino-live-15-10-1977-northern-soul/

Good point pete, great that you still have recordings from that era

I was lucky at that time as a local DJ called Ian Martin was buying loads of big stuff back then that was classed as "newies"

What a joy it was to walk to his house on a weeknight at that time and listen to lester Tipton, al Williams etc etc.

Sadly he is another who is no longer with us I'm afraid

Jim

[Monkey]

Extract from Gary Rushbrooke's 'Detroit is Happening' in Soul Source magazine circa 1979/80

'People who don't appreciate how records can be rare should go to this city, in the late 60s and even in this very day when a company issues a record and it does not sell it will go out of business, existing on a day to day basis and relying on every record to be a hit can be a very dangerous. Awake records who issued Eddie Parker I'm Gone and Shane Hunter Sweet Things needed one of them to sell so they could carry on, neither did so the company closed down and all the stock was destroyed

When I was talking to Larry Lick owner of Velgo records he recalls how he went outside and smashed hundreds of copies of Gwen Owens so he could make more room in the warehouse, also this was a faulty recording and should never have out to shops in the first place'

[Steve L]

Extract from Gary Rushbrooke's 'Detroit is Happening' in Soul Source magazine circa 1979/80

'People who don't appreciate how records can be rare should go to this city, in the late 60s and even in this very day when a company issues a record and it does not sell it will go out of business, existing on a day to day basis and relying on every record to be a hit can be a very dangerous. Awake records who issued Eddie Parker I'm Gone and Shane Hunter Sweet Things needed one of them to sell so they could carry on, neither did so the company closed down and all the stock was destroyed

When I was talking to Larry Lick owner of Velgo records he recalls how he went outside and smashed hundreds of copies of Gwen Owens so he could make more room in the warehouse, also this was a faulty recording and should never have out to shops in the first place'

That could make a grown man cry

[Guest sharmo 1]

JD Bryant? Jeez, I wouldn't buy one of those for a tenner

Yes you would Joan.XXX

[KevH]

Extract from Gary Rushbrooke's 'Detroit is Happening' in Soul Source magazine circa 1979/80

'People who don't appreciate how records can be rare should go to this city, in the late 60s and even in this very day when a company issues a record and it does not sell it will go out of business, existing on a day to day basis and relying on every record to be a hit can be a very dangerous. Awake records who issued Eddie Parker I'm Gone and Shane Hunter Sweet Things needed one of them to sell so they could carry on, neither did so the company closed down and all the stock was destroyed

When I was talking to Larry Lick owner of Velgo records he recalls how he went outside and smashed hundreds of copies of Gwen Owens so he could make more room in the warehouse, also this was a faulty recording and should never have out to shops in the first place'

Shaine - Call me sweet things - on Sue? Must have been re-issued.?