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Ascots - Miss Heartbreaker

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which release came first? (mir-a-don or MBS?) is the MBS (yellow label) just the national distribution of the mir-a-don (purple) local one?

 

thanks!

 

p s - never heard this before, but it was on this week's "sitting in the park" podcast, which is awesome!

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mir-a-don is the first press. they left the artist name off the record and it's stamped on the sleeve (assuming you get it with the original sleeve). get it on MBS, it's cheaper and easier to find. they have 3 other records on mir-a-don.

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mir-a-don is the first press. they left the artist name off the record and it's stamped on the sleeve (assuming you get it with the original sleeve). get it on MBS, it's cheaper and easier to find. they have 3 other records on mir-a-don.

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I've got the original acetate of this (I'm sure it's A1 studio disc) working from memory I'm sure it say's M.B.S records with the rest of the typed info .Regards S.

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Have seen a miradon with the artist credited on the lable, would this be a boot?

 

Are you sure you're talking about miradon 1000? if so, is it stamped or actually printed on the label?

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Humm! :g: I'd check the runout groove for the master numbers etc before bidding.

Dave

Maybe,, with out checking, I'm sure Manny's bible has two entries, one with and one without the artist credit..... if that proves anything :glare:

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I've had Mir-A-Don copies both with and without the group name on them - both are legit and tough.

The MBS release was around in big quantity in the UK for decades and was always a cheapie...and of course is a terrific track.

Roscoe Bowie's name appears on some other Chicago label releases...anyone got info on this chap?

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I would have thought that Mir A Don was first, seeing as it is significantly more expensive... :wink:

that means nothing ...people for some reason assume that to be the case and it is the `rarity` mentallity..but its not always correct

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I've had Mir-A-Don copies both with and without the group name on them - both are legit and tough.

The MBS release was around in big quantity in the UK for decades and was always a cheapie...and of course is a terrific track.

Roscoe Bowie's name appears on some other Chicago label releases...anyone got info on this chap?

Hi there Flnny hope your o.k is the mbs release a Chigago thing then as I've never thought of these releases as being anything other than new york as you say there were loads around at one time so common I never thought about it's origin .Mir-a-don was a great label and collected all but never got the uncredited 45.Darling , Darling fantastic Another day Classic you couldn't go wrong with a mir-a-don I have Darling.... on two differant coloured labels regards Simon.

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I don't remember Roscoe Bowie involved in a Chicago production.  As far as I remember, he worked strictly on The East Coast.

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Hi there Flnny hope your o.k is the mbs release a Chigago thing then as I've never thought of these releases as being anything other than new york

Apologies for the confusion...my Chicago reference was with regards to Roscoe Bowie (Jr?), the arranger on "Miss Heartbreaker" and "Anytime"...as his name also appears on a Chess disc by Andy Mack (aka Andy Mulgrader - one time member of the Spaniels) called, "Later Than You Think", which has a very similar arrangement/ sound to the Ascots tracks mentioned. That said, after a scratch around it appears that all parties concerned are out of DC, including the Carlton's who provided vocal backing to Andy Mack on that Chess 45...so forgive the loose Chicago link.

Whilst we're at it, your A1 Sound Studios acetate...this studio was owned by Herb Abramson and based at 234 West 56th Street and then on the ground floor of a hotel off Broadway and 76th Street (gotta love the Internet!), so as it was a recording facility one may assume that "Miss Heartbreaker" is a NY recording, rather than DC.

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Herb Abramson worked on projects in D.C. and Baltimore.  He was early involved in D.C.'s music because he was friendly with Ahmet and Neshui Ertegun, whom he had first met in Washington.  That, eventually got him involved with Jubilee Records.  It may be that M.B.S./Mir-A-Don's recordings were made in D.C., or New York, or New Jersey, or, even Philadelphia.  But, as they brought the group to NY to make the demo recording, it's most likely that they recorded the final mix and pressed in New York, as well.  But not absolutely certain.

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With fear of going off topic, I see that Roscoe Bowie's son is Michael Bowie the famed jazz double-bass player...seems it was a musical family with Dad on woodwind and Mum Gerri on piano!

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that means nothing ...people for some reason assume that to be the case and it is the `rarity` mentallity..but its not always correct

 

 

Fair Enough....

 

I feel a lot better about my MBS copy now... :thumbsup:

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I think Mir-A-Don is first though, it's a local DC label, MBS isn't. I agree with Dave that rarity doesn't always equate to "first" though. I think MBS probably just picked up the first release for distribution.

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no, royal premiers "I can't make it if I try" only came out on MBS. it's a new york production btw, produced by Larrie Lucie, so the Royal Premiers are probably from NYC. They had an earlier 45 on Toy though.

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