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A friend of mine DJ's with 78's so I always check any I find when hunting records. Usually just landfill but did find these last week and paid £2.50 for the pair. The Little Richard is cracked from the edge to the label but still plays relatively loud and clear!  

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Great stuff Dave!x I have about 60 x 78's hand picked over the past 20 years and have a Citronic all in 1 twin deck from the early 80's that plays them! When a party is on I usually spin Sixteen Tons...The Wanderer and Rock Around The Clock via 78rpm and they sound much 'deeper' than the 45's! Folk luv to see them!x But...i've broke more than i;ve got! The Wanderer and Sixteen Tons I found originally in '94 in a charity shop in Aldershot! MINT they were and had been in a Gentlemens possession since new and probably played a handful of times before being archived in his record box...and I was well happy! Got them home....took them into the kitchen....went to show the then Mrs....got em outta me bag.....and dropped the pair like a flippin' donut.....and they shattered on the floor! The deserving name calling came forth from the Ex.....whilst I looked at the waste spread on the floor! Poo!x It took me several years to replace them and today me 78's are in a box of their own and they stay there until a special occasion!x I'd happily buy any vinyl tune at any cost cos I can drop it as such....but a 78.....irrelevant of costs.....i'd bust it....guaranteed!x There's a guy in Saffron Walden Cambs that is a Millionaire who also collects just 78's....he has over 40,000 in his collection and has his rareity's framed all around his 10 bedroomed Mansion....everywhere!!! It keeps you fascinated for hours reading the lovely labels and names of artistes going back near on 100 years! I relish popping round his on the few occasions I get the chance to each year!x Great article and the tune ain't that bad either and glad I've heard it!x

 

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Love the the bit about the only other known copy belongs to him too!!

 

Yep, that made me smile the second I read it too!  Proper collector!  :thumbup:  

 

I'm sure many on here have dealt with John over the years, especially when he was a 'resistant' soul 45 seller. Many a bargain to be had then. Bit different now mind!

 

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Dave

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Great stuff Dave!x I have about 60 x 78's hand picked over the past 20 years and have a Citronic all in 1 twin deck from the early 80's that plays them! When a party is on I usually spin Sixteen Tons...The Wanderer and Rock Around The Clock via 78rpm and they sound much 'deeper' than the 45's! Folk luv to see them!x But...i've broke more than i;ve got! The Wanderer and Sixteen Tons I found originally in '94 in a charity shop in Aldershot! MINT they were and had been in a Gentlemens possession since new and probably played a handful of times before being archived in his record box...and I was well happy! 

 

If you mean "The Wanderer" by Dion, then it was never on 78 (at least not in the UK or US, apart from a 2000s reissue on US Rhino's "Juke Box Hits" series).  It was released on 45 in November 1961 on Laurie in the US, and January 1962 on HMV in the UK, therefore it was far too late for a 78 release.  So what are the two you claim to have had, assuming it's Dion's "The Wanderer" you're talking about?  :g:  

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If you mean "The Wanderer" by Dion, then it was never on 78.  It was released in November 1961 on Laurie in the US, and January 1962 on HMV in the UK, therefore it was far too late for a 78 release.  So what are the two you claim to have had, assuming it's Dion's "The Wanderer" you're talking about?  :g:  

 

It could be an export copy like The Beatles stuff for the Indian market ????

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It could be an export copy like The Beatles stuff for the Indian market ????

 

Wouldn't have thought so, to be perfectly honest, even though companies like Melodisc did press 78s in the UK intended for export until early 1961 - but that was only for West African music.  As far as I'm aware, the Beatles' Indian 78s were only pressed in India, and I think it's safe to say that any single releases exported out of the UK from mid-1961 onwards would have been pressed as 45s - for a start, they'd be easier to ship without having to worry about breakages, making the export of UK 78s futile.

 

The only Beatles Indian 78s I've seen or heard of are actual Indian pressings, and any UK exports (should they exist) would look exactly as a UK issue would, even with "Made In England" printed on the label.  Recorded music libraries such as KPM, Francis Day & Hunter and Chappell Music pressed vinyl 78s until the early '70s, but these were for library use only, and were never initially made available to the public.

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If you mean "The Wanderer" by Dion, then it was never on 78 (at least not in the UK or US, apart from a 2000s reissue on US Rhino's "Juke Box Hits" series).  It was released on 45 in November 1961 on Laurie in the US, and January 1962 on HMV in the UK, therefore it was far too late for a 78 release.  So what are the two you claim to have had, assuming it's Dion's "The Wanderer" you're talking about?  :g:  

 

Bu**er me...all dusty hot and sweaty now Gene R....u've had me rummaging in me dark corners of me music shack!!x I popped in here...read the new thread on 78's...got excited about 78's...and after you've pointed out the detail....i;ve just checked...looked through me 78's first time in aaaages...and ure bang on!!x I broke the Teenager In Love by Dion...not the Wanderer!!! Me Wanderer is on a blue HMV 45...which was in me head for some reason when writing casually!x But yep...mint copy of Teenager went smashing on the floor.......even worse considering the value too!x I paid a £1 for it at the time...well for both that and Sixteen Tons....well pi**ed off tho'!x Thanx for reminding me of me real loss Gene R....!x Mind u.....I think we'd both be crying if it had of been a test press or summink of the Wanderer init!!!phew!!x 

 

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...amazing....i;ve repeated that story over the years and always said the same thing.......nobody has ever said a thing to tell me different....I believed it!!! Mad how you can believe your own bo**ox accidental or not...init!!!x

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Bu**er me...all dusty hot and sweaty now Gene R....u've had me rummaging in me dark corners of me music shack!!x I popped in here...read the new thread on 78's...got excited about 78's...and after you've pointed out the detail....i;ve just checked...looked through me 78's first time in aaaages...and ure bang on!!x I broke the Teenager In Love by Dion...not the Wanderer!!! Me Wanderer is on a blue HMV 45...which was in me head for some reason when writing casually!x But yep...mint copy of Teenager went smashing on the floor.......even worse considering the value too!x I paid a £1 for it at the time...well for both that and Sixteen Tons....well pi**ed off tho'!x Thanx for reminding me of me real loss Gene R....!x Mind u.....I think we'd both be crying if it had of been a test press or summink of the Wanderer init!!!phew!!x 

 

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...amazing....i;ve repeated that story over the years and always said the same thing.......nobody has ever said a thing to tell me different....I believed it!!! Mad how you can believe your own bo**ox accidental or not...init!!!x

 

Got ya!  :thumbsup:

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Bu**er me...all dusty hot and sweaty now Gene R....u've had me rummaging in me dark corners of me music shack!!x I popped in here...read the new thread on 78's...got excited about 78's...and after you've pointed out the detail....i;ve just checked...looked through me 78's first time in aaaages...and ure bang on!!x I broke the Teenager In Love by Dion...not the Wanderer!!! Me Wanderer is on a blue HMV 45...which was in me head for some reason when writing casually!x But yep...mint copy of Teenager went smashing on the floor.......even worse considering the value too!x I paid a £1 for it at the time...well for both that and Sixteen Tons....well pi**ed off tho'!x Thanx for reminding me of me real loss Gene R....!x Mind u.....I think we'd both be crying if it had of been a test press or summink of the Wanderer init!!!phew!!x 

 

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...amazing....i;ve repeated that story over the years and always said the same thing.......nobody has ever said a thing to tell me different....I believed it!!! Mad how you can believe your own bo**ox accidental or not...init!!!x

Sooty , you'll not get away with any mistakes on here mate :lol: , not that I had a clue :no:

 

Cheers mate

 

Swifty :thumbsup:

 

p.s. I've been shot down in flames on here more times than a FokKe Wolfe (Spelling?) plus I was gonna put Messershmit ?? but you know what I mean mate

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Sooty , you'll not get away with any mistakes on here mate :lol: , not that I had a clue :no:

 

Cheers mate

 

Swifty :thumbsup:

 

p.s. I've been shot down in flames on here more times than a FokKe Wolfe (Spelling?) plus I was gonna put Messershmit ?? but you know what I mean mate

....music and the collecting of it is a joy Swifty...always has been...and I won;t have it any other way!x I can't 'give it large' technically music wise in here as there are far more knowledgeable folk who know better...and I respect that unreservedly....and will always remain a willing student!!x Same as Football really...I leave the detail to others and enjoy the spectacle...or not!! As for what's 'in the groove'....i'll stand alongside any Soulie and look them in the eye confidently with my collection gathered...even if I forget the artist or label...no probs!!!x

 

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....u see doomed plane...I see ejector seat...hehe...!!x....i;m outta 'ere.....YEEEEHAAAAA!!x

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...EDIT...I don;t believe it Swifty....just looking thru' some folders for pics of stuff...and found this as I was flippin' thru em......haha....I've been trained in the art for a looooong time....hehe!!x

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The article doesn't say it's the rarest 78, there's two known copies and Tefteller talks about how there are many #s that were pressed but have no known copies. It's just possibly the most a 78 has sold for.

 

Tefteller used to actively insult soul buyers in his discoveries columns.

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Here's one I own (Mines a minter though).  Early release by the World's First Soul Supergroup!

 

Dave

 

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BEST tune of the day for me Dave....thank you!!x Just putting the details in me Boot Sale book.....then notice in me Collectors book it's £700 for the 45!!! I must have seen one in the thouuuusands i've trawled thru.....but now know what i'm looking at...!!hehe!x This thread has inspired me to re-visit the 78's piles....which i've taken a wiiiide birth of in recent years due to my haphazardness with such delicate things!!!!!x I've just dusted me 78's box down and had a good look...and here's me top 20 outta my 60 odd! No order just as they 'hit me' as I went thru em!x I've probably listened to around 1500 in me time collecting music....and these are the ones i've salvaged/kept out of that limited exposure to date!x There could have been more but I keep to the 45 of the obvious 'classics'...if I have them! Most of these 20 I have on 45 but kept them as I think they look good to play at the right occasion!x I do a 'travellers' Party....about 2000 attend each year. I play them there....they love their Rock n Roll and old classics.....and when I spin em on 78's......well....not 1 dare come near me all night when DJing....i'm me own man...end of...and they appreaciate and respect it!! I'm a 'well travelled man'....they reckon!!x

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Paul Anka-Diana

Doris Day-Whatever Will Be Will Be

Johnny Ray-Wlalkin' My Baby Back Home/Singing The Blues/Walking In The Rain (...erm....got a deal from a Johnnie Ray fan....3 for £1 init!!)

Charles Penrose-The Laughing Policeman

The Chas McDevitt Skiffle Group-Freight Train.....goes with me 'I'm A Train inspired by Soul Source...!!hehe!x)

Michael Holliday-The Story Of My Life....always been a favourite spin at a doo late afternoon/early evening on a 45 and gets folk tapping!!x

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKDTqdlaiXM

 

Dean Martin-Memories are Made of This and Volare

The Ying Tong Song-The Goons

Frankie Vaughan-Green Door

Al Hibbler-Unchained Melody

Bill Haley-See You Later Alligator & Rock Around the Clock

Bing Crosby-Teddy Bears Picnic! Always play at a kids party.....kids are fascinated by the record spinning sooooo fast!!!x Most are just gobsmacked at seeing a 'record'....!!!

Harry Belafonte-Coconut Woman

Petula Clark-Baby Lover....never found the 45 at a Boot Sale?!!x

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP9pE-_TObU

 

Some of me top tunes from me 78's are these...

 

Tennessee Ernie Ford-Sixteen Tons....of which I still ain;t found the ;'original' 45....just me 'go go' version....and the original 'old gold' or summink copy...sigh!!

A Teenager In Love-Dion & Belmonts

Rita Williams-Willie Can!...tuuune!

...and perhaps the one I reach for happily whenever I get me 78's out is this.....and perhaps it goes back to me childhood aged 10/11 when playing Subbuteo with a mate Bobby Dowsing prior to the Chelsea/Leeds FA Cup game early 70's whilst living in Grimsby!!! He used to sing a song which used the tune whilst we flicked players him Chelsea me Leeds......and was so pleased to find the tune in the groove when I got this 78 home!!! The joy of collecting....!!x

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yeE6n9uxe8

 

...the rest are obvious classics or from classic films/musicals and the like! I dunno what it says about me as a collector based on the tunes i;ve kept outta the ones i;ve had thru me fingers....but there it is!!!x Thanx for the inspiration Dave!!!x

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Thanks to Dave for starting this thread as it gave me a chance to  finally air a link to the interview The New York Times did with Mr Tefteller way back in July 2009.

 

“They’ve Got Those Old, Hard-to-Find Blues”  http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/arts/music/12petr.html?_r=1&scp=4&sq=tefteller&st=cse

 

I've taken the liberty to cut n paste what I considered the most interesting piece of the interview which shines a light into the inner workings of a mind of an obsessive collector.  I'd love to know what the results would be if somebody did a similar mail shot of say inner Detroit or Chicago these days - I wonder what if any rare records would be flushed out.

 

Derek 

 

"Mr. Tefteller, 50, is one of the world’s most prolific collectors of Paramount blues.  He pursues complete runs of every Paramount blues artist he considers important.

 

Mr. Tefteller lives in rural Oregon but spends much of the year traversing the country for fresh stock, placing “Records Wanted” advertisements in antiques catalogs and The Farmer’s Almanac.  

 

He said he receives about a hundred calls a day, most yielding inconsequential results. “Records have a way of hiding,” he said.

 

In 2002 Mr. Tefteller mailed fliers to every resident within 100 miles of Paramount’s former studio site in Grafton, Wis. “I flooded the area, and then I sat at the Best Western in Port Washington and fielded phone calls at the hotel for days,” he said.

 

But his persistence paid off. One call produced the only known copy of King Solomon Hill’s blistering 1932 blues sides “My Buddy Blind Papa Lemon”/“Times Has Done Got Hard.”

 

“I said, ‘O.K., put it back in the sleeve and put it somewhere where you’re not going to drop anything on it, and please don’t even touch it until I get there,’ ” he recalled.

 

“She got a nice pile of hundred-dollar bills from me for that one.”

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The article doesn't say it's the rarest 78, there's two known copies and Tefteller talks about how there are many #s that were pressed but have no known copies. It's just possibly the most a 78 has sold for.

 

Tefteller used to actively insult soul buyers in his discoveries columns.

 

Which is probably one more copy than "Stormy Weather" by the Five Sharps on Jubilee 78.

 

Yes, don't forget how John Tefteller used to look down his nose at soul collectors and openly insult them......he's no real hero in that sense.

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I don't usually buy 78's but when I saw this lush piece of Doo-Wop in a charity shop for 50p I couldn't resist. Especially as there  is no UK 45 release.

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One of my Mom's records that I used to play loads when a very very young kid (Pre school) along with Why Do Fools Fall In Love, Hound Dog and others which I consequently broke.

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