Jump to content
  • Sign Up
Premium Stuff

Frank Wilson On Uk Tamla Motown

Recommended Posts

Hi everyone

 

Would be grateful if somebody could please let me have the details for the two legit issues of "Do I Love You" on UK Tamla Motown.

 

Did a forum search but could not find the details.

 

I need the key distinguishing features between the two issues please (not demo).

 

Thank you  :thumbsup: 

 

Richard

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi everyone

 

Would be grateful if somebody could please let me have the details for the two legit issues of "Do I Love You" on UK Tamla Motown.

 

Did a forum search but could not find the details.

 

I need the key distinguishing features between the two issues please (not demo).

 

Thank you  :thumbsup: 

 

Richard

first version emi solid centre 2nd rca version has a gap round the centre and obviously chris clark on the flip instead of sweeter as the days go by 

kev

Edited by kevinsoulman

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

1965: Do I Love You (Indeed I Do)/Sweeter As The Days Go By -- Soul 35019 (US). Reissued in 1979 Tamla Motown TMG 1170 (UK), twice more in the 1980s with the same catalogue number, then a version with a different vocal take with the number 9821530 in 2004.

 

you can read the compleate story here Richard.

www.frankwilson.co.uk/"Ž

 

 

 

 

ricky.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have the first UK release from 1979.  I was looking forward to coming out and being able to own it on legit single.

The only way to get it before this release was a bootleg credited to Eddie Foster on the IN label. (This was the cover-up title)

 

Mine has the four pronged centre, but is a definite first UK release.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have the first UK release from 1979.  I was looking forward to coming out and being able to own it on legit single.

The only way to get it before this release was a bootleg credited to Eddie Foster on the IN label. (This was the cover-up title)

 

Mine has the four pronged centre, but is a definite first UK release.

 

Does it have 1979 on the label or 1965 please  :g:

 

Cheers

 

Richard

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have just sold a very first issue 1979 demo in the black&white promotional written sleeve and it was dated 1965.

I bought it a year after it came out so a big wrench to let it go.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest miff

emi 1965

rca 1979

kev

Just had a look at mine, can see no reference to EMI or RCA on it, it's dated 1965 with a 4 prong centre not solid as in the scanned one

So that makes it the first issue on EMI, is that right solid or pronged centre makes no odds?

Edited by miff

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just had a look at mine, can see no reference to EMI or RCA on it, it's dated 1965 with a 4 prong centre not solid as in the scanned one

So that makes it the first issue on EMI, is that right solid or pronged centre makes no odds?

4 PRONGED LABEL EMI FIRST ISSUE FROM 1979 I BELIEVE ANY AFTER THAT ARE RCA  WHATEVER THEY HAVE GOT ON THEM DATE WISE

KEV

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just had a look at mine, can see no reference to EMI or RCA on it, it's dated 1965 with a 4 prong centre not solid as in the scanned one

So that makes it the first issue on EMI, is that right solid or pronged centre makes no odds?

 

The reference to EMI is in the small writing around the edge of the label. This blurb starts at around 8 O'Clock with the words "EMI RECORDS LTD. ALL RIGHTS ..." (see photo below)

 

Have now checked mine which I bought c.1979. It's an issue with a 4-pronged centre, the EMI reference as above, a plain black sleeve and the date 1965 on the label.

 

Cheers

 

Richard

 

Click on images to see bigger picture

post-12286-0-55963400-1383512826_thumb.j

post-12286-0-27093800-1383513676_thumb.j

Edited by Premium Stuff

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

  Sign up/in to remove

The RCA distributed one in my picture came in that orange sleeve, that sleeve has refrences on the back about Motown L.Ps available (1979) at that time and RCA distributed at the bottom of it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

it's the sleeve I bought it in mate, brand new from a proper record shop - Ainsley's in Leicester as I recall :g:

Richard

see my first post got all five at the time from Reddingtons rare records Birmingham

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

see my first post got all five at the time from Reddingtons rare records Birmingham

Sounds from the above posts like your demos were in the pic sleeves, or in olive sleeves, and the issues were in plain black sleeves then?

Richard

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi All...The record has been booted to look like the original in recent times, on VIIP,  However the first available BOOT was in 78 using the cover up name of Eddie Foster, the 1st Tamla Motown copy 79, EMI DEMO had picture sleeve, FACTORY SAMPLE, used the same stamper as the DEMO, issues used 5 stampers?.. RCA release was one of the first for the new owners, BOX SET Release has both male & female vocals, (it's a shame that the other 45s have little value to the collector), why the EMI copy fetches big money compared to the others is a mystery to me.  DAVE K.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest miff

Hi All...The record has been booted to look like the original in recent times, on VIIP, However the first available BOOT was in 78 using the cover up name of Eddie Foster, the 1st Tamla Motown copy 79, EMI DEMO had picture sleeve, FACTORY SAMPLE, used the same stamper as the DEMO, issues used 5 stampers?.. RCA release was one of the first for the new owners, BOX SET Release has both male & female vocals, (it's a shame that the other 45s have little value to the collector), why the EMI copy fetches big money compared to the others is a mystery to me. DAVE K.

Had my EMI copy up for sale on here a couple of weeks ago and not one enquiry, may be selling in the wrong place

Edited by miff

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

:hatsoff2: HI ALL....WHY AM I LOOKING AT TMG 1170 TODAY OF ALL DAYS.. Coz I can, and I have found something that I have never noticed before.

 

Having tried to get a picture for you & failing, I will describe for you the MATRIX # at the 3 o clock position A. At the 9 o clock position ; .

 

At the 6 o clock  TMG 1170  A1, however on the outer groove underneath TMG 1170, it reads  BLAiRS, now that could be I have Tony Blairs original copy, or some other Blair, as people tended to put their name on records years ago, or it could have been done at the pressing plant, similar to the "PORKEYS PRIME CUT" mark,  or it could be only on 1st run DEMO 7 factory samples,

Not having another to compare it with, can someone inform me if it on their EMI copy .CHEERS DAVE K

post-13241-0-38238400-1390270507_thumb.jpost-13241-0-73258000-1390270547_thumb.j this shows nothing?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

:hatsoff2: HI ALL....WHY AM I LOOKING AT TMG 1170 TODAY OF ALL DAYS.. Coz I can, and I have found something that I have never noticed before.

 

Having tried to get a picture for you & failing, I will describe for you the MATRIX # at the 3 o clock position A. At the 9 o clock position ; .

 

At the 6 o clock  TMG 1170  A1, however on the outer groove underneath TMG 1170, it reads  BLAiRS, now that could be I have Tony Blairs original copy, or some other Blair, as people tended to put their name on records years ago, or it could have been done at the pressing plant, similar to the "PORKEYS PRIME CUT" mark,  or it could be only on 1st run DEMO 7 factory samples,

Not having another to compare it with, can someone inform me if it on their EMI copy .CHEERS DAVE K

 

Hello Dave,

"Blairs" will be on all copies, it would have been inscribed on the lacquer master when it was cut by Chris Blair at EMI Abbey Road. He ended up as chief mastering engineer at EMI so you'll see his mark on a lot of records.

Another common name on EMI pressings from the mid 1970s was Nick W (Nick Webb) who also worked at the Abbey Road studios.

I've had a lot of lacquers cut at EMI Abbey Road since the late 1980s (mostly on DMM copper plates) so one day I'll check some 45s to see if any have names inscribed on them.

 

By the way, Abbey Road didn't just cut lacquers for the EMI pressing plant. I've used various other plants since the EMI factory closed down in the late 1990s but often still used Abbey Road for disc cutting.

 

Paul

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hello Dave,

"Blairs" will be on all copies, it would have been inscribed on the lacquer master when it was cut by Chris Blair at EMI Abbey Road. He ended up as chief mastering engineer at EMI so you'll see his mark on a lot of records.

Another common name on EMI pressings from the mid 1970s was Nick W (Nick Webb) who also worked at the Abbey Road studios.

I've had a lot of lacquers cut at EMI Abbey Road since the late 1980s (mostly on DMM copper plates) so one day I'll check some 45s to see if any have names inscribed on them.

 

By the way, Abbey Road didn't just cut lacquers for the EMI pressing plant. I've used various other plants since the EMI factory closed down in the late 1990s but often still used Abbey Road for disc cutting.

 

Paul

CHEERS PAUL.. Some times it's well worth asking the question as I did not know that info, the Abbey road acetates apart from EMIDISC were DICK JAMES MUSIC, NORTHERN SONGS, then APPLE took over,

 

I have had REGGAE on APPLE ACITATES so there could well be some rare soul out there on APPLE, I have a few BLANK APPLE LP & 45 LABELS, WHICH COME FROM THE APPLE SHOP, They must be collectable but I don't think I would get much for them maybe £15 the pair A & B sides, I may be wrong,

However they are not for sale. CHERS FOR THE INFO. .Dave K

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well I know this is a few years later but as this thread is still open I wanted to contribute something. My personal copy what I got when it was realised in 1979 is the emi one but do other folks who bought it then remember the insert that came with it?

P1070316.JPG

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

And the uk release was from the stereo masters merged into a mono sound. Motown didn’t have the mono master. Ironically, unless you are rich and can find a copy the only way (I believe) to get a true mono copy is the Eddie foster boot.... please don’t shoot me, just sharing ..

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Comment now!

Comments are members only

Sign Up

Join Soul Source - Free & easy!

Sign up now!

Sign in

Sign in here.

Sign in now!

Related Soul Music Links

    • 2 posts
    • 214 reads
    • James Rice
    • 24 May 2018
    • 1 posts
    • 276 reads
    • bluesoulman
    • 24 May 2018
    • 1 posts
    • 319 reads
    • lincsmod1970
    • 13 May 2018
    • 1 posts
    • 240 reads
    • Mach
    • 11 May 2018
    • 1 posts
    • 193 reads
    • tlscapital
    • 10 May 2018
    • 1 posts
    • 253 reads
    • Ulrich Leitl
    • 08 May 2018
    • 1 posts
    • 162 reads
    • milliontearsoul
    • 06 May 2018
×

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.