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I have a copy of Hoagy Lands, The next in line on Laurie 3381.

I can't work out whether it is original or not. Some sites show the same image as my record as original and others show a different image. The only difference seems to be that my copy has no writing under the artist's name.

Any information would be appreciated

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I have seen this copy on Popsike listed as the original and my copy on Raresoulie shown as the original. I am thinking of selling my copy and don't want to mislead.post-32463-0-44058000-1391876527_thumb.j

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I have seen this copy on Popsike listed as the original and my copy on Raresoulie shown as the original. I am thinking of selling my copy and don't want to mislead.attachicon.gifhoagy 3.jpg

thats an original... rare one on Laurie is the Demo.. they do come up but go for money. The boot is styrene from memory... check J. Titbits book, should be in there..

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I have seen this copy on Popsike listed as the original and my copy on Raresoulie shown as the original. I am thinking of selling my copy and don't want to mislead.attachicon.gifhoagy 3.jpg

 

Rightly or wrongly, whenever I get them, I always sell the moulded vinyl issues as boots / ressiues. I know the guides says that they are original, but compared to the vinyl demo the audio reproduction is very much lower. Also the stamped matrix on the demo becomes an etched matrix on the issue. (Unless this was common practice for Laurie to stamp the matrix for the demos, and then etch the matrix for the issues.)

 

Either way, original or not, simply because of the poor audio reproduction I am always glad to get shot of them. As I say, I list them as reissues to cover myself, so at the worst, someone has a bargain.

 

Cheers

Mick

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The styrene copies are 100% legitimate copies ,not illegal bootlegs, done by Laurie in the 70s .Laurie had a lot of their old titles such as The Chiffons and Dion and the Belmonts still available for US shops. Hoagy Lands and Dean Parrish were done for the UK. These should be fairly common compared to the original 60s vinyl copies.

Rick

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The one on the left looks real to me.  Mine looks like that, and I bought it when it was out.

I think Ive made an assumption here Rob, as many do from the UK, basically because there are some many boots or 2nd Issues pressed for the 7ts northern scene..

 

From reading I think the general consensus is that there is a first press, in its various regional guises, then a re issue by Laurie in the early 7ts... have I got that right?

 

Malcolm

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I think Ive made an assumption here Rob, as many do from the UK, basically because there are some many boots or 2nd Issues pressed for the 7ts northern scene..

 

From reading I think the general consensus is that there is a first press, in its various regional guises, then a re issue by Laurie in the early 7ts... have I got that right?

 

Malcolm

Yes.  The 1970s 2nd press would be styrene and have a Delta # in the 100,000s.  The original West Coast styrene pressing was #65,700, as stated above.

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:hatsoff2: HI ALL...Demos have PROMOTIONAL COPY entwined with label design. if I remember correctly. as I have only a UK $tateside issue :shhh: DAVE K 

You've only got a Stateside issue! Surely you should have a Laurie original. I unfortunately have'nt got either but would be prepared to do you a favour , to buy the old Stateside copy off you and pay enough for you to buy the orig. How does that sound?

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Can I ask advice on what you think this one is then please?
If you look at the right hand image on the original post which is deemed to be original, on mine the
print layout is different, and closer to the left hand image, but there are still differences there too?

Matrix in deadwax is 'U4KM-901-1C-A1A' and on the opposite side an 'R'.
Just interested as it is different to the ones already added.
Steve
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On 06/04/2014 at 00:00, Northern Soul Uk said:

Can I ask advice on what you think this one is then please?
If you look at the right hand image on the original post which is deemed to be original, on mine the
print layout is different, and closer to the left hand image, but there are still differences there too?

Matrix in deadwax is 'U4KM-901-1C-A1A' and on the opposite side an 'R'.
Just interested as it is different to the ones already added.
Steve
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That’s same as mine but is it real ? Certainly vinyl not styrene 

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1 hour ago, Daved said:

I'm getting a bit confused now. Mine has the star and U4KM-901-1C-A1A in the deadwax. Which one is it?

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There are various originals and bootlegs. Some are vinyl and some styrene.

Your picture shows a styrene variant.     For this styrene copy to be original it needs the west coast monarch delta and number. So a triangle then the number 65707 scratched in the run out to be original.

The safest way to own an original of this record is the vinyl demo. With advance release written down both sides and machine stamped numbers in the run out.

 

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There are four  45 issues:

1) DJ Laurie 3381 1967 (original) stamped Number in run out groove Delta # 65707

2) Stk Laurie 3381 1967 Styrene Delta #  65707 (No Star) (original)

3) 7t's Vinyl Press  Laurie 3381 

4) 7t's Press  Laurie 3381 1972 Styrene Press "Black Star" on label left hand side.

 

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2 hours ago, Graham Jarvis said:

There are four  45 issues:

1) DJ Laurie 3381 1967 (original) stamped Number in run out groove Delta # 65707

2) Stk Laurie 3381 1967 Styrene Delta #  65707 (No Star) (original)

3) 7t's Vinyl Press  Laurie 3381 

4) 7t's Press  Laurie 3381 1972 Styrene Press "Black Star" on label left hand side.

 

Yes and the original vinyl east coast Laurie demo with Advance Release written up the sides of the label. Machine stamped number in run out U4KM 0901-1.

 

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15 hours ago, Graham Jarvis said:

There are four  45 issues:

1) DJ Laurie 3381 1967 (original) stamped Number in run out groove Delta # 65707

2) Stk Laurie 3381 1967 Styrene Delta #  65707 (No Star) (original)

3) 7t's Vinyl Press  Laurie 3381 

4) 7t's Press  Laurie 3381 1972 Styrene Press "Black Star" on label left hand side.

 

So is number 3 a pressing or a 70’s reissue. I’m sure Manny has it as an original on his site 

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Yes I understand that the Vinyl 7T's press is a reissue copy,  from Manships guide the original Demo £150+ & Stk copies are well over £100, the 7T's Vinyl reissue is around £50 and the 1972 issue with the Black Star £20. The values sort of represent which one is which.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Graham Jarvis said:

Yes I understand that the Vinyl 7T's press is a reissue copy,  from Manships guide the original Demo £150+ & Stk copies are well over £100, the 7T's Vinyl reissue is around £50 and the 1972 issue with the Black Star £20. The values sort of represent which one is which.

john has the vinyl copy down as an original in his guide... its just not rare at all tho

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Halogen said:

Yes a bootleg, that was made for Northern Soul demand in the Wigan Casino era.

That was the version I got in a dodgy soul pack back in the 70s.

Mind you, in another pack, a bit later on I think, I got another Hoagy Lands on Spectrum with the fairly straightforward and punchy dancer 'Why didn't you let me know' and the pretty sublime 'Do you know what life is all about' on the other side. Well worth checking out.

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On 06/04/2014 at 00:00, Northern Soul Uk said:

Can I ask advice on what you think this one is then please?
If you look at the right hand image on the original post which is deemed to be original, on mine the
print layout is different, and closer to the left hand image, but there are still differences there too?

Matrix in deadwax is 'U4KM-901-1C-A1A' and on the opposite side an 'R'.
Just interested as it is different to the ones already added.
Steve
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This was not answered clearly six years ago. What is this version with the scratched in matrix and the scratched in R please?

Regards.

Drew.

 

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3 hours ago, Drew3 said:

This was not answered clearly six years ago. What is this version with the scratched in matrix and the scratched in R please?

Regards.

Drew.

 

its original according to manships last guide..tho a little lo-fi  and its not rare so only books at £50 

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19 hours ago, Drew3 said:

This was not answered clearly six years ago. What is this version with the scratched in matrix and the scratched in R please?

Regards.

Drew.

 

I don't think anybody is quite sure! This vinyl issue has always been regarded as a bit suspect, because the run out letters and numbers are scratched in but the demo has the numbers and letters machine stamped in !

There is a proper vinyl issue with the numbers and letters machine stamped, like the demo.

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16 hours ago, Dave Pinch said:

its original according to manships last guide..tho a little lo-fi  and its not rare so only books at £50 

I know someone who has a vinyl issue with the runout numbers machine stamped in, like the demo!       This must be the true original vinyl issue.

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Thanks Dave and Graham but clearly two conflicting views above!!!

It was sold to me (not the copy in the scans) as an original by a seller on here and at the time I checked as many bits of info on the Net as I could including this thread and other threads on SS and I settled that it was a 60s original due to a number of views that this version is simply another original press/design.  Not suggesting I was sold something knowingly 'wrong' by the way as this is clearly one of those issues that there is/has been some mystery and confusion about over the years for many who have owned it.

Hay ho, can't win 'em all I suppose!!! ☹️👍

Regards.

Drew.    

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