Jonathan Capree - Gonna Build Me A Mountain - Ox Bow

[Stevie T]

stirring tune , again first heard @ pow wow by Mik , an instant hit with that crowd .

[Arthur Fenn]

reminds me of a cross between "the snake" & rawhide, good example of the many different scenes with "the scene" 

[Steve G]

Odd how I suggest a soundfile would maybe help a guy sell his 45 only to have folk do the opposite...

Bad etiquette in my book to start posting your thoughts on the quality of the song in a sales thread.

P.s There was a copy at set sale for $5k on ebay that went in 24 hrs, so somebody must like it?

 

F*ck etiquette   If Ppl are saying it's a great record, there has to be room for an observation that someone else doesn't happen to like it.....seems like I am not quite alone either Nev. Anyway it's sold now, nothing to see here.....

[The Milk Man]

Ain't sold yet

[bri phill]

The only reason I suppose this tune wasn't mentioned in biggest allniter tunes of the last 10 years thread was that it's not hit the main halls yet since Middleton closed.

It's always created a rush to the floor whenever I've heard it played and up there with the best discoveries over the last 10 years.

For the upfront venues it's a oldie but set to hit the main circus soon.

[Pete S]

F*ck etiquette   If Ppl are saying it's a great record, there has to be room for an observation that someone else doesn't happen to like it.....seems like I am not quite alone either Nev. Anyway it's sold now, nothing to see here.....

 

It's derivative, unoriginal and poorly performed and produced, apart from that, it's great.  If this is representative of the biggest sounds of the past 10 years, then I'd say NS won't last another 10.

[Labeat]

Johnathon Capree wasn't mentioned in the best tunes of the last 10 years simply because it went back "underground", forgotten if you like.

To me it beats an awful lot of the "Drivel" being played, but having said that it is "Drivel" to some on here.... fair enough.

Callum Simpson played this at Burnley, the dance floor remained full to it, and you know what?.... it will be at Pow Wow soon!

[Labeat]

It's derivative, unoriginal and poorly performed and produced, apart from that, it's great.  If this is representative of the biggest sounds of the past 10 years, then I'd say NS won't last another 10.

 

But Peter, you will only have heard it down a bloody computer, the big speakers in a dance hall give it justice

[Pete S]

But Peter, you will only have heard it down a bloody computer, the big speakers in a dance hall give it justice

 

I don't doubt that.

Why do you keep calling me Peter?

[The Milk Man]

Heard it at Va Va Voom last year and it sounded great, but not sure if I ever want to see a pair of Oxford bags float around to this tune

[Labeat]

I don't doubt that.

Why do you keep calling me Peter?

A respectful way of calling you what your parents (i assume) christened you!

[Labeat]

Heard it at Va Va Voom last year and it sounded great, but not sure if I ever want to see a pair of Oxford bags float around to this tune

 

So when you heard it at VVV was that the first time?.... you've only had it 5 minutes if so!

[Stevie T]

last time i heard it played out , was @ the hideaway ( recently) requested by me , and to be honest , not many danced , but by the looks on faces its because they

didn't know it . Bonus was ! more room for me .

[Pete S]

A respectful way of calling you what your parents (i assume) christened you!

 

I just never heard it since my Nan and Grandad died, they were the only people who ever called me Peter.

Anyway, swiftly moving on...I was really being serious when I said it was very much like 'Work Song' by the way, I'm sure it was actually intended to.

[Labeat]

I just never heard it since my Nan and Grandad died, they were the only people who ever called me Peter.

Anyway, swiftly moving on...I was really being serious when I said it was very much like 'Work Song' by the way, I'm sure it was actually intended to.

 

OK then "PETE", but i have to rePETE.... u.tube or whatever does not always do records justice, surely we can agree on that

[Pete S]

OK then "PETE", but i have to rePETE.... u.tube or whatever does not always do records justice, surely we can agree on that

 

Absolutely.  I had this experience with Bari Track back in the 80's.  I never liked it much in the 70's but never heard it at a nighter as far as I know,  then I heard it at an allnighter in the early 80's and it just blew me away, sounded like a different record.  Now it's been a favourite since that moment and it's always in my top 5.

[Guest gordon russell]

Johnathon Capree wasn't mentioned in the best tunes of the last 10 years simply because it went back "underground", forgotten if you like.

To me it beats an awful lot of the "Drivel" being played, but having said that it is "Drivel" to some on here.... fair enough.

Callum Simpson played this at Burnley, the dance floor remained full to it, and you know what?.... it will be at Pow Wow soon!

Did he play that at Burnley?.........bastard!! .........why do you keep calling him PETER?

Edited April 2, 2014 by gordon russell

[The Milk Man]

So when you heard it at VVV was that the first time?.... you've only had it 5 minutes if so!

Nope, heard it at my first trip Pow Wow several years ago and have only heard it at small/intimate clubs since. VVV was the first time I heard it in a large hall, still worked a treat

[Labeat]

Did he play that at Burnley?.........bastard!! .........why do you keep calling him PETER?

 

It got played ok, i was well pleased on hearing it again!

[Labeat]

Nope, heard it at my first trip Pow Wow several years ago and have only heard it at small/intimate clubs since. VVV was the first time I heard it in a large hall, still worked a treat

 

ok my friend.  It's a super-tune (at the thread end)

[Mike]

temp closing this

 

site take

 

[Mike]

ok thread reopened 

 

as this is now in box 

have split the "sales" comments to a separate thread here

 

 

and ask all to keep this thread to talk about the 45 and use the other for sales feedback/talk

 

thanks

mike

[Guest penny]

It's derivative, unoriginal and poorly performed and produced, apart from that, it's great.  If this is representative of the biggest sounds of the past 10 years, then I'd say NS won't last another 10.

Maybe it's best that it doesn't last another 10 years then, as those traditional tastes are becoming more irrelevent and maybe have more in common with the nostalgia nightmare that's going on these days.

the younger generations have to keep the thing going and define their own anthems - and for anyone under 35, and plenty over, this would be one of them.

to my ears, its an oddball funk gospel club track, as I said, never expected northern soul purist types to like it, or gave a fuck if they did (but glad that some do)...

but one thing you cannot say is that it's poorly produced! Thing sounds crystal clear and fat and loud like a house 12", I've rocked warehouse type parties with this

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[Guest john s]

Beast of a record, wish I could afford it!

[Pete S]

Maybe it's best that it doesn't last another 10 years then, as those traditional tastes are becoming more irrelevent and maybe have more in common with the nostalgia nightmare that's going on these days.

the younger generations have to keep the thing going and define their own anthems - and for anyone under 35, and plenty over, this would be one of them.

to my ears, its an oddball funk gospel club track, as I said, never expected northern soul purist types to like it, or gave a f*ck if they did (but glad that some do)...

but one thing you cannot say is that it's poorly produced! Thing sounds crystal clear and fat and loud like a house 12", I've rocked warehouse type parties with this

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It did on the soundclip I was listening to - I did admit that it would probably sound like a different thing coming out of big speakers.  Actually to be honest I just heard the first verse and chorus which is why I thought it was a rip off of Work Song.

[Labeat]

It did on the soundclip I was listening to - I did admit that it would probably sound like a different thing coming out of big speakers.  Actually to be honest I just heard the first verse and chorus which is why I thought it was a rip off of Work Song.

 

Some would sooner watch MOTD, i much prefer the "live" thing.... as with hearing tunes

[Guest penny]

It did on the soundclip I was listening to - I did admit that it would probably sound like a different thing coming out of big speakers.  Actually to be honest I just heard the first verse and chorus which is why I thought it was a rip off of Work Song.

it isn't a miracle of songwriting or singing for sure and, like a lot of pure dance music, doesnt work as well on tinny speakers cos it's real genius is the absurdly fat and modern sounding bass line and the arrangement.

forget the beginning, this tune's all about the atmosphere and the build up to the grand finale.

There's that slightly suspect vocal middle 8, then that brass instrumental section, then it comes back in with that funky guitar taking it up a level which comes from nowhere, then just when you think it cant build any more, it does that repeated turnaround to the outro with the horns which is the musical equivalent of well, you know...busting a nut.

[NEV]

The experience of being in a club listening to records opposed to sitting at home is akin to watching live football at a ground, a boxing match, a show in a theatre , a comefian in a wmc... Its about being there with loads of others and soaking up the atmosphere!

It's an experience that some need to try once in a while cos you only live once and your a long time dead

[NEV]

The experience of being in a club listening to records opposed to sitting at home is akin to watching live football at a ground, a boxing match, a show in a theatre , a comefian in a wmc... Its about being there with loads of others and soaking up the atmosphere!

It's an experience that some need to try once in a while cos you only live once and your a long time dead

[Guest]

Wouldn't say classic just yet...still lots of legs in this one, although at the rate Pogson keeps turning them up, it'll be a classic sooner rather than later ;-)

i have be playing it for 3-4 years now allways goes down well

Edited April 3, 2014 by Guest

[Labeat]

Johnathan Capree is certainly causing some debate, is there a tune that we can all agree on? er, God, i'm stuck

[Pete S]

Johnathan Capree is certainly causing some debate, is there a tune that we can all agree on? er, God, i'm stuck

 

We did this once, trying to find a single record that everyone liked, it went on for about 5 pages and as soon as we'd settled on one, someone else came along and said they didn't like it.  Was years ago, 7 or 8 years maybe.  Can't even remember what we settled on.

[Guest penny]

We did this once, trying to find a single record that everyone liked, it went on for about 5 pages and as soon as we'd settled on one, someone else came along and said they didn't like it.  Was years ago, 7 or 8 years maybe.  Can't even remember what we settled on.

Really? There must be loads. Can you really imagine someone liking soul but not liking 'love starved heart' for example]

[Pete S]

Really? There must be loads. Can you really imagine someone liking soul but not liking 'love starved heart' for example]

 

No every time we settled on one, say Mel Britt, and the general consensus was that nobody disliked it, some one did say they never liked it.  I'm sure we ended up with Please Let me In.  The topic has got to still be here in the archives somewhere.  You only have to read that topic "Whats your most hated Northern record" to see that some things we regard as sacred are just hated by others.  I was sent threats for saying I didn't like Bobby Kline 

[Greg Belson]

It sounds to me like this is an adaptation of Clara Ward and the Ward Singers 'Gonna build a mountain' on Tuba, from 1965. Similar kind of hook and lyrics, but Mr Capree has added his own embellishments. So on the originality stakes, it doesn't rate that high, from what I can see.....but as far as I'm concerned, I'd love to own a copy. Had a chance a while back, and scuppered it.

 

I've heard better dynamic records, but there's something about this tune that creeps inside your noggin and gets the toes tapping......fab 45, really.

[Guest penny]

It sounds to me like this is an adaptation of Clara Ward and the Ward Singers 'Gonna build a mountain' on Tuba, from 1965. Similar kind of hook and lyrics, but Mr Capree has added his own embellishments. So on the originality stakes, it doesn't rate that high, from what I can see.....but as far as I'm concerned, I'd love to own a copy. Had a chance a while back, and scuppered it.

 

I've heard better dynamic records, but there's something about this tune that creeps inside your noggin and gets the toes tapping......fab 45, really.

Cheers for info, never knew that re ward singers but did describe it earlier in thread as a gospel record and always thought of it as such, and let's have it right, gospel is more about emotional intensity than it is about songwriting craft, nearly every song adapts or borrows from a previous one.

it has that amateur somewhat naive feel of a gospel record too, maybe why some folks arent feeling it

[NEV]

We did this once, trying to find a single record that everyone liked, it went on for about 5 pages and as soon as we'd settled on one, someone else came along and said they didn't like it. Was years ago, 7 or 8 years maybe. Can't even remember what we settled on.

Let's do it again

[Labeat]

Let's do it again

 

Ha Ha Nev.... you havn't the balls  to suggest one (neither have i)

Edited April 4, 2014 by Labeat

[Greg Belson]

Cheers for info, never knew that re ward singers but did describe it earlier in thread as a gospel record and always thought of it as such, and let's have it right, gospel is more about emotional intensity than it is about songwriting craft, nearly every song adapts or borrows from a previous one.

it has that amateur somewhat naive feel of a gospel record too, maybe why some folks arent feeling it

 

FYI Mik, check out the Clara here in a mix of mine....spool through to 23 min 44 sec.....might be a couple of other things in there too that'll be up your strasse, mate.

 

https://www.mixcloud.com/gregbelson/ladies-of-jazz-pt-2makin-way/

[Paul-s]

Ok the history on this tune. I bought it for £300  way back around 2004 ish, from a guy called Steve Smith (i may be wrong) played it on the same night I bought it and it packed the floor.

I was the only DJ playing this tune anywhere, including as resident at Middleton, Piercebridge, guest at Lifeline and other venues.

Then another copy was found by Mik Parry and he was playing it with me and helped break it as a consequence.

I sold my copy to Flanny.

[Guest son of stan]

 

heers for info, never knew that re ward singers but did describe it earlier in thread as a gospel record and always thought of it as such, and let's have it right, gospel is more about emotional intensity than it is about songwriting craft, nearly every song adapts or borrows from a previous one.

it has that amateur somewhat naive feel of a gospel record too, maybe why some folks arent feeling it

The one by the Ward Singers isn't originally a gospel song but a version of a famous show tune written by Anthony Newley - also done by Sammy Davis Jr, Dusty and about a million others. 

Does bear a certain similarity tho..

[Still Diggin]

 

Exactly. Very formulaic and has nothing else to say. Really poor in my humble opinion. If it was a tenner would you buy it? Not this child.  

And this is in look at your box, not sales.

Totally agree Quinvy. Just wondered if anyone has actually listened to the cheep and cheezy way those back up girls do their little chant. No emotion, precious little soul. Butlins material.

[Pomonkey]

Tried one here in NYC back in 2009, think was the first copy to slip thru ebay and everyone was asleep, usually love anything leftfield with an interesting sound so hats off to Mik for breaking it but found it really disappointing to play out, less balls than the LUFC frontline in an away game, so flipped it cheap to a good pal in Italy where it had a much better reception by all accounts.

[Greg Belson]

The one by the Ward Singers isn't originally a gospel song but a version of a famous show tune written by Anthony Newley - also done by Sammy Davis Jr, Dusty and about a million others. 

Does bear a certain similarity tho..

Cheers for the post....just checking in though....could you possibly be thinking of 'Lord, don't move the mountain', which was covered by a stack of showtime artists....different tune entirely to 'Gonna move a mountain'

[Guest son of stan]

 

 

Cheers for the post....just checking in though....could you possibly be thinking of 'Lord, don't move the mountain', which was covered by a stack of showtime artists....different tune entirely to 'Gonna move a mountain'

Hi....Nope. I'm thinking of 'Gonna Build a Mountain' by Anthony Newley / Leslie Bricusse from the musical 'Stop The World I Want to Get Off'. That's the one Clara Ward on Tuba / Stateside (and all the rest) did.

(Not suggesting the Jonathan Capree is that, although it is a bit similar..)

 

 

Edited July 25, 2015 by son of stan

[Greg Belson]

Hi....Nope. I'm thinking of 'Gonna Build a Mountain' by Anthony Newley / Leslie Bricusse from the musical 'Stop The World I Want to Get Off'. That's the one the Ward Singers (and all the rest) did.

(Not suggesting the Jonathan Capree is that, although it is a bit similar..)

 

 

Huh....I didn't have my copy of the Clara to hand, so a quick look online for a scan of the artwork, and yeah, writing credits to Messrs Newley & Bricusse.....excellent.....hadn't clocked that before. Cheers for the education ;)

I think the Capree is a working of it to a certain point....like a lot of gospel tunes, borrowing licks, verses, choruses etc.