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I've known people to have bootleg copies of Jimmy Raye - Philly Dog Around The World thinking they were original

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Anything that guy from Vegas puts out!

Printing the two colour blank Capitol labels would be absolutely the easiest part of the enterprise. I'm not doubting that there were probably such blanks laying unused in the Capitol Hollywood

Moses Smith- Girl Across The Street was distributed by Jamie/ Guyden and sold in Philadelphia by Universal on North Broad Street. Global Records US warehouse was on the same street and the owner, Ed B

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I would go with Anderson Brothers, bought mine as original in 76 and still not sure if it is or not, so many conflicting posts, would love to see the definitive answer once and for all.

 

Three bootlegs -

 

Vinyl with a dip on the label close to the centre hole

 

Vinyl with the initials PB in the run out

 

Styrene copy

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I've known people to have bootleg copies of Jimmy Raye - Philly Dog Around The World thinking they were original

mind dark blue,and silver,i seen light blue,did they came out in mid 70s as boots ,not sure billy

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mind dark blue,and silver,i seen light blue,did they came out in mid 70s as boots ,not sure billy

 

As well as the obvious bootleg in light blue there's a dark blue one which looks like the original

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And James Pogson , I think Andy Dyson has it also ...

 

Don't know JP Eddie, as with AD see posts 74 & 99.

Honestly, because it's rarely played i thought only a handful around, still, it's a fantastic tune.... "isn't it Phil" :yes:

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Don't know JP Eddie, as with AD see posts 74 & 99.

Honestly, because it's rarely played i thought only a handful around, still, it's a fantastic tune.... "isn't it Phil" :yes:

I'd forgotten Kitch has it , still really rare , and one of my favourite records at the moment ...

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The Q 'That's The Way' on orange Hound are defo dodgy coz I remember my landlord when I was in Swindon (Danny Huff) coming back with a shed load of them that he got off one of the band members, who'd re-pressed them.

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Orange? Never seen that one before. I had the silver one and a quick Google search revealed there's a golden one as well. But no orange..

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Orange? Never seen that one before. I had the silver one and a quick Google search revealed there's a golden one as well. But no orange..

 

Two variations of the silver one.

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Not sure if this one has already been mentioned but maybe Johnny Vanelli Seven days of loving you on pre-vue.

Said to have only sold 500 when released but loads of bootlegs around.

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I think the most important bit of info from the OP that we've all overlooked is "There's only one bootleg I sell as an original - and I'm not going to tell you what it is because everyone sells it as an original".

 

The way I interpret this comment is, this bootleg is sold as an original because the recording was never issued/released at all;i.e., Gladys Knight "Here are the pieces of my broken heart".

 

However I may be and am usually wrong.

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On ‎06‎/‎04‎/‎2014 at 22:23, Louise said:

Gwen & Ray "Build Your House On A Strong Foundation" Bee Bee ?

Dave

 

On ‎06‎/‎04‎/‎2014 at 23:54, pogo paul said:

 

I was sold this as original in the 80s , it's not , from dealer think you are talking about.

Just reading through this old topic and I think this is probably spot on. I had a definite original of this in the early 80's I bought off either Ian O'Hara or Ron Pedley for £30. Very very rare only ever saw one other. Roll on to mid 80's and Pat Brady has an original on his list for £15 which I snapped up. When I received the record you could tell it wasn't real next to the original but it was a very good copy. I informed Mr Brady it wasn't real and he took it straight back. I still have £15 credit owed to me !! Think I sold it to Jimmy Wensoira for about £50

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pointer sisters - send him back

susan coleman - the age of the wolf

moses smith - girl across the street 

  all very good look a likes, that caught many people out

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Danny Moore   On All-rite Records, that caught a few people out in the past but seems to be common knowledge now and sold correctly identified today.

There seems to be a lot of good “look a like” pressings  out there and more turning up each year ! 🤔

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Turning the topic in its head a bit, I bought a Moses Smith GATS for 50p in 1974, knowing it was a boot. Moving on 30 years, I was pricing my records up to sell them and using Manships Boot guide I found out Moses was an original!

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19 hours ago, Paul R said:

Turning the topic in its head a bit, I bought a Moses Smith GATS for 50p in 1974, knowing it was a boot. Moving on 30 years, I was pricing my records up to sell them and using Manships Boot guide I found out Moses was an original!

Same here mate, I bought one in 75 as a boot & it turned out to be an original.....Unfortunately I sold mine some years later still thinking it was a boot. It begs the question were any of them sold 74/75/76 boots or were they all originals ?

 

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The record dealer was probably just talking bollocks, dealers are well known for all this 'nudge nudge wink wink' stuff, especially NS dealers, they are the worst at talking in riddles and testing people's knowledge when half the time they are just regurgitating nonsense. I dread it at fairs when I start looking through the records of a 'talkative' dealer. You know the sort, inevitably they start providing a running commentary on any record you look at for more than one second - 'well you know who that really is don't you'...'of course you know the story about that one don't you'...nudge nudge wink wink...

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On 01/09/2020 at 11:40, Merve said:

Same here mate, I bought one in 75 as a boot & it turned out to be an original.....Unfortunately I sold mine some years later still thinking it was a boot. It begs the question were any of them sold 74/75/76 boots or were they all originals ?

 

Moses Smith- Girl Across The Street was distributed by Jamie/ Guyden and sold in Philadelphia by Universal on North Broad Street. Global Records US warehouse was on the same street and the owner, Ed Balbier, would pick up the orders from them for sending back to the UK. Around 74 when I was working for Global in Manchester, one shipment had at least 200 copies of the record which were then sold to Global's retail customers around the country. I don't think Balbier knew the record so he must have been told the record was in demand by the staff there, maybe John Anderson had already had some copies. These were identical to previous copies that DJs and collectors already had so must have been from the original pressing or at least pressed from the same stampers and label stock. I can't remember if the records had a plain sleeve or a company sleeve. Jamie/Guyden never seemed to delete titles or chuck out unsold stock. They would re-press some titles for the UK market but these were usually styrene instead of vinyl.

As far as I remember Global didn't get anymore copies of Girl Across The Street after the first shipment which is likely to mean the copies were old stock rather than a legitimate new pressing. 

In the late 70s quite a lot of in demand titles would turn up in large quantities that were original pressings and sold to the record shops that sold legitimate reissues as well as obvious bootlegs. So anyone buying records back then could have bought a 100% original without knowing, or caring. 

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17 hours ago, Rick Cooper said:

Moses Smith- Girl Across The Street was distributed by Jamie/ Guyden and sold in Philadelphia by Universal on North Broad Street. Global Records US warehouse was on the same street and the owner, Ed Balbier, would pick up the orders from them for sending back to the UK. Around 74 when I was working for Global in Manchester, one shipment had at least 200 copies of the record which were then sold to Global's retail customers around the country. I don't think Balbier knew the record so he must have been told the record was in demand by the staff there, maybe John Anderson had already had some copies. These were identical to previous copies that DJs and collectors already had so must have been from the original pressing or at least pressed from the same stampers and label stock. I can't remember if the records had a plain sleeve or a company sleeve. Jamie/Guyden never seemed to delete titles or chuck out unsold stock. They would re-press some titles for the UK market but these were usually styrene instead of vinyl.

As far as I remember Global didn't get anymore copies of Girl Across The Street after the first shipment which is likely to mean the copies were old stock rather than a legitimate new pressing. 

In the late 70s quite a lot of in demand titles would turn up in large quantities that were original pressings and sold to the record shops that sold legitimate reissues as well as obvious bootlegs. So anyone buying records back then could have bought a 100% original without knowing, or caring. 

Makes perfect sense. I bought mine from JA in early 75. Thanks for that info - Should have held on to it.

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