Guest gordon russell Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Yeah it's going to be real tough to sell this if JM can't be on the case for f*cks sake you could list it in sporting life........and it will sell Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 yes it has .....this fellas found one Post is nearly 2 weeks old though...before scans were posted Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Orotava Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 I still don`t understand the Brit`s propensity to build a guy up and then do their level best to bring him down... 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 (edited) I still don`t understand the Brit`s propensity to build a guy up and then do their level best to bring him down... Just continuing that tradition then, and to show my true Britishness ... Has anyone actually had this record in their hand, seen it, felt it , smelt it What I mean is, has anyone recognised as a true authority in this wonderful field of ours seen the actual record and verified that it is genuine and commented on its provenance? Or, has everyone just seen the photos? There's been a lot of media, Facebook, Soulsource banter - but who has actually verified that the copy of the record shown in the pictures is a real record and genuine? I don't believe it until someone I trust as a true expert has verified it and told me why they think it's a goodun Tin hat time Cheers Richard Edited July 1, 2014 by Premium Stuff 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Just continuing that tradition then, and to show my true Britishness ... Has anyone actually had this record in their hand, seen it, felt it , smelt it What I mean is, has anyone recognised as a true authority in this wonderful field of ours seen the actual record and verified that it is genuine and commented on its provenance? Or, has everyone just seen the photos? There's been a lot of media, Facebook, Soulsource banter - but who has actually verified that the copy of the record shown in the pictures is a real record and genuine? I don't believe it until someone I trust as a true expert has verified it and told me why they think it's a goodun Tin hat time Cheers Richard I don't know of anyone who's seen it, apart from the photos. But even if it does turn out to be a hoax...it's been fun and interesting and the UK label collecting scene got exciting again. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mal C Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Perhaps Pete we can set up a clandestine meet with Nick, select eminent 'UK Know it all's' to attend and touch the record, take their own pictures, or a very least just cast eyes upon it... check out Nicks member page btw, big old scan on there, which even I can tell is the real deal... Remember you said Mick Smith probably shrugged his shoulders when you told him, has he changed his tune any? Malcolm Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Perhaps Pete we can set up a clandestine meet with Nick, select eminent 'UK Know it all's' to attend and touch the record, take their own pictures, or a very least just cast eyes upon it... check out Nicks member page btw, big old scan on there, which even I can tell is the real deal... Remember you said Mick Smith probably shrugged his shoulders when you told him, has he changed his tune any? Malcolm Mick only shrugs his shoulders cos it wasn't him who found it Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 have spoke to nickw via pm he says he is still in the process of making a decision on what to do with this 45 (keep/sell) and while understands the reactions of some he needs to make this decision before taking any further action cheers mike Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Agent 00 Soul Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Who actually owns the record if it does exist? This will be an interesting case if the record is valued as most think it will be at £10k+ If the record was taken without the original owners constant then it was, in the eyes of the law, stolen and as such the ownership lies with the original owner and any subsequent owners of the original owner to the present date. Similar cases have been tested in law and anyone purchasing the record may find themselves committing an illegal act of purchasing or possessing stolen goods. It may well be that the current holder of the record was given permission to take it. However if it ever came to litigation it would be incumbent on the current holder to prove that the transfer of the record was done with the consent of the original owner. Hmmm, as I say interesting!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Stateside Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Who actually owns the record if it does exist? This will be an interesting case if the record is valued as most think it will be at £10k+ If the record was taken without the original owners constant then it was, in the eyes of the law, stolen and as such the ownership lies with the original owner and any subsequent owners of the original owner to the present date. Similar cases have been tested in law and anyone purchasing the record may find themselves committing an illegal act of purchasing or possessing stolen goods. It may well be that the current holder of the record was given permission to take it. However if it ever came to litigation it would be incumbent on the current holder to prove that the transfer of the record was done with the consent of the original owner. Hmmm, as I say interesting!! You can be sure of one thing. Solicitor's fees would easily exceed the value of the record! 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
John A Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 (edited) Who actually owns the record if it does exist? This will be an interesting case if the record is valued as most think it will be at £10k+ If the record was taken without the original owners constant then it was, in the eyes of the law, stolen and as such the ownership lies with the original owner and any subsequent owners of the original owner to the present date. Similar cases have been tested in law and anyone purchasing the record may find themselves committing an illegal act of purchasing or possessing stolen goods. It may well be that the current holder of the record was given permission to take it. However if it ever came to litigation it would be incumbent on the current holder to prove that the transfer of the record was done with the consent of the original owner. Hmmm, as I say interesting!! Shit, I better throw out all my demo's which clearly say "not for sale" on em. Don't want the police knocking on the door. Nick owns this record! Why should he have to explain where it came from any more than if it came out the local junk shop? Good luck to him I say. Edited July 2, 2014 by John A 3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Who actually owns the record if it does exist? This will be an interesting case if the record is valued as most think it will be at £10k+ If the record was taken without the original owners constant then it was, in the eyes of the law, stolen and as such the ownership lies with the original owner and any subsequent owners of the original owner to the present date. Similar cases have been tested in law and anyone purchasing the record may find themselves committing an illegal act of purchasing or possessing stolen goods. It may well be that the current holder of the record was given permission to take it. However if it ever came to litigation it would be incumbent on the current holder to prove that the transfer of the record was done with the consent of the original owner. Hmmm, as I say interesting!! Surely the whole thing would need to start with a claim from the "original owner" that the item had been stolen, and also with the "original owner" proving it was their property in the first place - otherwise there would be no charge to answer? Cheers Richard Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Chris61 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Who actually owns the record if it does exist? This will be an interesting case if the record is valued as most think it will be at £10k+ If the record was taken without the original owners constant then it was, in the eyes of the law, stolen and as such the ownership lies with the original owner and any subsequent owners of the original owner to the present date. Similar cases have been tested in law and anyone purchasing the record may find themselves committing an illegal act of purchasing or possessing stolen goods. It may well be that the current holder of the record was given permission to take it. However if it ever came to litigation it would be incumbent on the current holder to prove that the transfer of the record was done with the consent of the original owner. Hmmm, as I say interesting!! I'm sorry but that does sound like a case of the green eyed one looking down from on high, fair play to anyone who 'finds' a rare/big one. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
dthedrug Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 have spoke to nickw via pm he says he is still in the process of making a decision on what to do with this 45 (keep/sell) and while understands the reactions of some he needs to make this decision before taking any further action cheers mike HI All A sound reply Mike, I also made contact, he says he is keeping it till the dust settles, as for all the advice good & bad given, I advised him to go through Mick Smith a man who is a expert on all UK rare records, he will contact him, as far as I can tell the record is a legit issue release, and belongs to Nick, I have yet to see a court case on the subject discussed? Also I could of suggest John Manship, however Mick is a old mate, DAVE K Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest turntableterra Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Shit, I better throw out all my demo's which clearly say "not for sale" on em. Don't want the police knocking on the door. Nick owns this record! Why should he have to explain where it came from any more than if it came out the local junk shop? Good luck to him I say. exactly john ........... ffs. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve L Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) Who actually owns the record if it does exist? This will be an interesting case if the record is valued as most think it will be at £10k+ If the record was taken without the original owners constant then it was, in the eyes of the law, stolen and as such the ownership lies with the original owner and any subsequent owners of the original owner to the present date. Similar cases have been tested in law and anyone purchasing the record may find themselves committing an illegal act of purchasing or possessing stolen goods. It may well be that the current holder of the record was given permission to take it. However if it ever came to litigation it would be incumbent on the current holder to prove that the transfer of the record was done with the consent of the original owner. Hmmm, as I say interesting!! Absolute b*llocks Edited February 7, 2015 by pikeys dog swearing - workplace filters 3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Agent 00 Soul Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Shit, I better throw out all my demo's which clearly say "not for sale" on em. Don't want the police knocking on the door. Nick owns this record! Why should he have to explain where it came from any more than if it came out the local junk shop? Good luck to him I say. Demos have got nothing to do with it. That was all about PURCHASE TAX on records and the return rules from retailers for unsold records. Demo's were exempt as they were not sold through retailers - hence the wording on them. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Demos have got nothing to do with it. That was all about PURCHASE TAX on records and the return rules from retailers for unsold records. Demo's were exempt as they were not sold through retailers - hence the wording on them. keep to the thread subject please as in the actual 45 if you want some general discussion about other topics or whatever then start a new thread thanks mike Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 Nickw emailed me two vids of the actual record... https://www.soul-source.co.uk/source/cms-records/open-soul-source.mp4 and... https://www.soul-source.co.uk/source/cms-records/pocket-soul-source.mp4 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tony A Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 Very nice it is too, thanks for the videos. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Robbk Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 Looks real enough. Seems to have a bit of groove wear *but that could be just the lighting in the video. In any case, it looks like it would play well enough. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tobytyke Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 now im in the "its real" camp Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Labeat Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 Can you let us know your objective by Christmas please Nick? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
spot Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Can't say fairer than that but someone will still doubt. Oh ye of little faith or is it the green eyed monster? Spot. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Labeat Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 (edited) HI All A sound reply Mike, I also made contact, he says he is keeping it till the dust settles, as for all the advice good & bad given, I advised him to go through Mick Smith a man who is a expert on all UK rare records, he will contact him, as far as I can tell the record is a legit issue release, and belongs to Nick, I have yet to see a court case on the subject discussed? Also I could of suggest John Manship, however Mick is a old mate, DAVE K Hi Dave.... Do you reckon the dust has settled? been 2 months now! Did Nick get any joy with Mick or did he shrug his shoulders (post 358). If you can't shed any more light on this or anyone else then the subject is dead & buried. Let us see Edited September 6, 2014 by Labeat Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
dthedrug Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Hi Dave.... Do you reckon the dust has settled? been 2 months now! Did Nick get any joy with Mick or did he shrug his shoulders (post 358). If you can't shed any more light on this or anyone else then the subject is dead & buried. Let us see HI MATE Missed Mick the other weekend, when he was in Wolves, I will find out for you Nicks intention, I hope he has not had to much hustle from fools, my advice was sit on it as fools rush in, & that's all I can say, apart from Nick is not a fool, he is a lucky man, DAVE K Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 (edited) Who actually owns the record if it does exist? This will be an interesting case if the record is valued as most think it will be at £10k+ If the record was taken without the original owners constant then it was, in the eyes of the law, stolen and as such the ownership lies with the original owner and any subsequent owners of the original owner to the present date. Similar cases have been tested in law and anyone purchasing the record may find themselves committing an illegal act of purchasing or possessing stolen goods. It may well be that the current holder of the record was given permission to take it. However if it ever came to litigation it would be incumbent on the current holder to prove that the transfer of the record was done with the consent of the original owner. Hmmm, as I say interesting!! Your having a laugh surely? Don`t call me Shirley! Edited September 6, 2014 by Guest Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Robbk Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 (edited) I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, and also I don't want to be someone who might appear to be accusing anyone of anything. But I have made an observation upon looking at the two videos above, that I'd like checked and commented by others. Looking closely at the edges of the paper labels, they appear to not be perfectly rounded, but appear to have a series of very small straight edges, as if cut by a scissors. That implies that there is a possibility that the labels might have been pieced together from various sources, and manipulated in graphics programmes, printed out on a printer, and the image cut, as carefully as possible, using a small scissors. I'd like others on this thread to again look at the 2 videos above, and look carefully at the edges of the paper labels, and see if you think they are not rounded as on o normal, machine-cut paper label. I'd like to find out if I am imagining this. I fully understand that the whitish areas on the edge of the paper don't necessarily indicate scissors cutting, as they could easily have been colour removal from normal wear from movement inside the record sleeve and handling. It is the seeming slight non-roundedness that caught my eye. Edited September 6, 2014 by RobbK Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 (edited) The labels look round enough and real enough to me, I wish I could cut that round with scissors when doing cover up labels in the past It would also be pretty intricate and difficult to cut the rest of the label, around the centre etc with scissors. The deadwax matrix matches the label matrix as well. So unless one off the other London 45's has the same matrix I doubt it is a fake. If it is a fake it is a bloody good one. Edited September 6, 2014 by chalky 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Robbk Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 The labels look round enough and real enough to me, I wish I could cut that round with scissors when doing cover up labels in the past It would also be pretty intricate and difficult to cut the rest of the label, around the centre etc with scissors. The deadwax matrix matches the label matrix as well. So unless one off the other London 45's bass the same matrix I doubt it is a fake. If it is a fake it is a bloody good one. Good point. Cutting the centre hole would be extremely difficult. I'll have to look at some of my scans of my own records to see if the roundness on those real labels can appear to be imperfect. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Labeat Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 HI MATE Missed Mick the other weekend, when he was in Wolves, I will find out for you Nicks intention, I hope he has not had to much hustle from fools, my advice was sit on it as fools rush in, & that's all I can say, apart from Nick is not a fool, he is a lucky man, DAVE K All of us would wish to know the outcome Dave, pointless letting it drag on Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Robbk Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Upon reviewing the videos, and especially looking at the centre holes, I have to agree now, that my impression of non-roundedness was due to the the imperfection in the digitalisation of the scanning process, as my scans of original records show that same effect. I apologise for even bringing up the comment, although there was no malice intended (just an observation). Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Robbk Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 All of us would wish to know the outcome Dave, pointless letting it drag on If I were him, I'd be in no great hurry to unload it. I would wait to have as many potential bidders hear about it, see it, and make offers. There should be a bidding war, or it's not the right time to sell. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mickjay33 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Darrell Banks Open The Door To Heart / Our Love (is In The Pocket)London issue up for sale on JOHN MANSHIP auction well how much do you think it will go for got my house on the market 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Popular Post Pete S Posted November 18, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2014 Soul Source to receive donation for identifying it as the real thing? 6 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jim G Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Linky folks https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/index.php/auction/9522/open-the-door-to-heart-our-love-is-in-the-pocket Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Popular Post Pete S Posted November 18, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2014 F*cks sake this is a month long auction, I suppose we're going to hear nothing else now for the next four weeks so I rule myself out of this topic as it's already all been said. 7 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Baldsoulie Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Hoping it will detract from all the other auction items and there might be a bargain to be had, although Jades is still a bit high. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Bo Diddley Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Finishes on SUNDAY 21st December. Just in time for Christmas!! I hope the highest bidder can collect as you wouldn't want to risk the Christmas post 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Popular Post Steve S 60 Posted November 18, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2014 Finishes on SUNDAY 21st December. Just in time for Christmas!! I hope the highest bidder can collect as you wouldn't want to risk the Christmas post For the amount this is likely to go for, I'd expect JM in a Santa suit to deliver it personally. 10 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
billb Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Darrell Banks Open The Door To Heart / Our Love (is In The Pocket)London issue up for sale on JOHN MANSHIP auction well how much do you think it will go for got my house on the market Go on, I'll start the ball rolling (argument), £26k ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sammy Seaman Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 £29,999,99pence ! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 15K Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Noggin Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 How many of these are known to exist? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Swifty Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Last time I looked it was at £28 might slide in with a crafty £100 3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Finishes on SUNDAY 21st December. Just in time for Christmas!! I hope the highest bidder can collect as you wouldn't want to risk the Christmas post I would want Santa and all of his heavily armed Elvis`s to deliver it personally!! How many of these are known to exist? Your looking at it! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dave Turner Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Last time I looked it was at £28 might slide in with a crafty £100 If ya need to strech to 125 quid give me a nod bud, I'll help ya out Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jim G Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 How many of these are known to exist? read the listing by JM, it is the only known confirmed copy in existence. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Popular Post Amsterdam Russ Posted November 18, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2014 Henceforth known as Open the door to your wallet! 5 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soulhawk1960 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 In my opinion this will go for at least 30k Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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