Top 500 'fans'...look Away Now

[Quinvy]

Take all the Dj,s and spouses outa the current UK soul scene and you would be left once again with a underground scene like back in the day..Everywhere  I go to there are bloody DJs everywhere 100s of the critters there breeding like mad it's like the soul scene has been taken over by those who live amongst us trying to blend in with human kind I bet that George Clinton bugger has something to do with it LOL Invaders...The Best is Yet to Come ...now there's a record ya don't hear out much....

Merry Christmas & All the Best for 2015

Love, Peace & Happiness

Yes but you are one of them Ian.

 

And if you took the Dj's and their spouses out of the equation there wouldn't be anything left at all. Once we all were dancers, now we all are Dj's, because we are all f***ed and old.

[Iancsloft]

Few years ago i was DJ.in at a wedding with Phil Threfall in Wigan we where spinnin good oldies from the later years of Wigan Cas Moses Dillard Paris Ray Agee ect ect i heard severalof the Wigan young. Soulies slaggin us off sayin we where crap i laughed it off over the past few months ive seen a couple of the lads who are now dj.in themselves and many of the 45s we played that hour are on their wants lists..I think its great that these young dj.s are progressing their musical tastes with stuff away from the great classics that built the northern scene into what it is today its down to the older blokes like Ted Massey Carl n Maria Willingham Ginger Taylor Nige Brown ect ect who do the bigger venues and are.nt afraid to spin the more rarer tunes if soulies dont hear em they wont know em..

[Guest Aaron Darcy]

very poor should be smashed up some people have no taste ;)

Agree with you Toad , Stanky is 100% shite

[Andreas B]

Surprised this wasn't on 'the list'.........always next year I suppose......

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGZHsUXOI64

 

I couldn't make it past the 1 minute mark... OUCH.

[Chalky]

40 plus years of music and it all boils down to 20 records that have been hammered for much of those 40 years, it is depressing.  Many of the 20 are the staple diet of the vast majority of oldies nigts up and down the country.  Two are three I can't for the life of me imagine why a DJ would feature them as one of his top spins.  Don't get me wrong some fabulous record s in the list as well but you can only listen to a top 20 for so many years before getting thoroughly bored.  Would you listen to the same top 20 or 40 in a night club for 40 years?

[pow wow mik]

I sort of half of agree with Phil, in that the rise in popularity of Funk and R&B on the up front scene has diluted the quality of the records played

Unless you like funk and r&b of course, in which case the quality of records played will have seriously improved.

You may have assumed that these diversifications have taken place due to people running out of the traditional style, but that isn't the case. Many people like music, and find embracing different styles rewarding, others actually prefer soul OTHER than trad northern, like me.

If that traditional northern soul sound is all you want then there's a whole nostalgia scene for you, maybe it's time to accept it.

maybe, as an upfront scene, northern soul IS dead, but soul lives on, in all it's forms. That's progress.

[Chalky]

Not neccessarily. We cast out net far n wide. I don't think anyone can argue the 20 are current floor fillers. Name others that are on par with those in the popularity stakes?

 

I would imagine the likes of Frankie Beverley, Invitations, Major Lance, Tangeers, couple of Gene Chandler, Pookie Hudson, James Barnett and plenty of others are far more popular across the country than the likes of Johnathon Capree, Billy Davis, Soulutions

[Tiggerwoods]

No need to hammer records.... Plenty of choice out there. Stanky poor record

Glad it's not just me... Stanky.....very weak 45

[Chalky]

Which Robert Thomas are you talking about, Salvation?

[Goldsoul]

I would imagine the likes of Frankie Beverley, Invitations, Major Lance, Tangeers, couple of Gene Chandler, Pookie Hudson, James Barnett and plenty of others are far more popular across the country than the likes of Johnathon Capree, Billy Davis, Soulutions

Very true. The chart though is accurate enough to assemble 20 current 'happenings'. Soulutions will be probably deceased by Spring. Can't see Jonathan Capree lasting but then again......

A few commented on Salvation, hence I assume is the more easily available Robert Thomas. Hope that's the one everyone meant lol.

To repeat, it's only a guide to a few songs the overall majority are talking about and have been in the past few months.

If we remember 2013, Jeanette, You Should O Held On and Crying Over You were huge and still are, it's just the current 20 are being spoke of a bit more and deffo popular at key nights countrywide.

[Chalky]

Very true. The chart though is accurate enough to assemble 20 current 'happenings'. Soulutions will be probably deceased by Spring. Can't see Jonathan Capree lasting but then again......

A few commented on Salvation, hence I assume is the more easily available Robert Thomas. Hope that's the one everyone meant lol.

To repeat, it's only a guide to a few songs the overall majority are talking about and have been in the past few months.

If we remember 2013, Jeanette, You Should O Held On and Crying Over You were huge and still are, it's just the current 20 are being spoke of a bit more and deffo popular at key nights countrywide.

 

Andy plays Cressa Watson version, not many known copies.  I would also have thought Ravins, Henry C would also be popular for Andy.

 

i also realise it is just a guide and not everyone will agree just as I don't agree with some of the crap that is number 1 in the pop charts.

Edited December 17, 2014 by chalky

[jocko]

Have skim read this and don't understand the mixcloud reference and then it being about played in clubs.

Where is the information actually from ? And how is it gathered, appreciate bringing my day job on here a little but the autenticity of any opinion has to be based on the authenticity of the data surely?

 

Confused of Bishopsgate!

[Goldsoul]

Have skim read this and don't understand the mixcloud reference and then it being about played in clubs.

Where is the information actually from ? And how is it gathered, appreciate bringing my day job on here a little but the autenticity of any opinion has to be based on the authenticity of the data surely?

Confused of Bishopsgate!

Don't be confused. Get out a bit more and see what the masses are dancing to.

It's merely a reflection of 20 movers n shakers during the last year at popular nights up and down the country. Nothing cast in stone.

We connected with more than 20 DJs plus we can see what's going on via requests etc.

Mixcloud contains our History of Northern Soul series spread over more than 60 episodes.

Thanks

[Pete S]

When anyone tires of Ernest Mosely,let me know.

 

I never liked it in the first place.  Sheppards, I love that.

[Hooker1951]

It's not the jokes it's the way you tell them Timing wins every time .

Kind Regards Mick Lyons

[Len]

P.S  people may or may not like this....it,s not about a single tune (same for evonne fair) it,s about that tune in the context of the night

 

 

Also why play lists can not show whether a night is good or not.

 

All the best,

 

Len  

 

P.s - You may have said this / or similar before Terry.

Edited December 17, 2014 by LEN

[Guest johnny hart]

Northen music is alive and well andin good health! Thank you Kevin  [The Number 1 promoter/ambassador on the scene]

[Ady Croasdell]

It is what it is. We seem to live in a different Northern Soul scene in the south (some logic there?). I'm afraid I'm way out of touch with what gets played in the North in upfront and oldies venues, though I do ask about and send the occasional spy out. So to open a debate on the more progressive scene I'll start a thread and list a few that have been genuinely popular at the 100 Club.

[Modernsoulsucks]

Unless you like funk and r&b of course, in which case the quality of records played will have seriously improved.
You may have assumed that these diversifications have taken place due to people running out of the traditional style, but that isn't the case. Many people like music, and find embracing different styles rewarding, others actually prefer soul OTHER than trad northern, like me.
If that traditional northern soul sound is all you want then there's a whole nostalgia scene for you, maybe it's time to accept it.

maybe, as an upfront scene, northern soul IS dead, but soul lives on, in all it's forms. That's progress.



This seems a bit confused.

To prefer a traditional NS sound does not mean a liking for oldies based on nostalgia.

I'd suggest that the 45s put out on Kent Select or Kent Anni in the main fit the trad description but I don't think they're aimed at the oldies end of the scene. Nor would the punters who travel down to London describe themselves as oldies fans. I think they go to hear something new and fresh which is of equal quality to what has gone before, unless the Lambeth Walk has come back into fashion !

IMO the next Mello Souls Butch turns up will be far more popular/talked about/in demand than any R&B or funk 45.

 

As for progress I heard that back at the Mecca in 76/77 and at tail-end of Wigan but the 45s kept turning up that kept the scene going for another 30 years.

ROD

[Ian Parker]

I couldn't make it past the 1 minute mark... OUCH.

shame the camera op did'nt pan around the room  

[Spacehopper]

this isn't aimed at anyone or any post in particular but it never ceases to amaze me about how people bang on about how 60S rnb and funky EDGED SOUL shouldn't be played and is only played as there is no northern left to discover but dance to what IMO is pretty shit soulful house at best..regarding bob Sinclair

[Guest gordon russell]

Also why play lists can not show whether a night is good or not.

 

All the best,

 

Len  

 

P.s - You may have said this / or similar before Terry.

The playlist thing...is different.....people used to say to me that place you go to is this,it,s that,it,s just an oldies night,it,s rubbish....and they don,t wanna go....well whatever,but f**k didn,t they used to badger the hell to get playlists.....which l found funny as they had no interest in going lol,,,,,put ya playlist up at your peril ..it gives no refection of a nights proceedings..and leaves said places open to ...slagging off and plagurism ....funny old scene!!

[jocko]

Don't be confused. Get out a bit more and see what the masses are dancing to.

It's merely a reflection of 20 movers n shakers during the last year at popular nights up and down the country. Nothing cast in stone.

We connected with more than 20 DJs plus we can see what's going on via requests etc.

Mixcloud contains our History of Northern Soul series spread over more than 60 episodes.

Thanks

 

I got into Northern to get away from the masses and Peter Stringfellow wannabees thank you very much.

 

Me and my gin botttle are very happy in our solitary confinement, wallowing in progressive nostalgia about how good our days were, while moaning about people who wallow in nostalgic nostalgia. Long may we continue.

 

So its a Goldsoul promotional tool, that you may turn into a book and charge people for the information they have provided freely. Why didn't you say that in the first place, I could have saved myself getting falsely aroused.

Edited December 17, 2014 by jocko

[Goldsoul]

I got into Northern to get away from the masses and Peter Stringfellow wannabees thank you very much.

Me and my gin botttle are very happy in our solitary confinement, wallowing in progressive nostalgia about how good our days were, while moaning about people who wallow in nostalgic nostalgia. Long may we continue.

So its a Goldsoul promotional tool, that you may turn into a book and charge people for the information they have provided freely. Why didn't you say that in the first place, I could have saved myself getting falsely aroused.

No more books .......yer safe

[Little-stevie]

Let us know where this " cast our poll far and wide " got to?? If you are passing this off as something of any worth..

[pow wow mik]

Unless you like funk and r&b of course, in which case the quality of records played will have seriously improved.

You may have assumed that these diversifications have taken place due to people running out of the traditional style, but that isn't the case. Many people like music, and find embracing different styles rewarding, others actually prefer soul OTHER than trad northern, like me.

If that traditional northern soul sound is all you want then there's a whole nostalgia scene for you, maybe it's time to accept it.

maybe, as an upfront scene, northern soul IS dead, but soul lives on, in all it's forms. That's progress.

This seems a bit confused.

To prefer a traditional NS sound does not mean a liking for oldies based on nostalgia.

I'd suggest that the 45s put out on Kent Select or Kent Anni in the main fit the trad description but I don't think they're aimed at the oldies end of the scene. Nor would the punters who travel down to London describe themselves as oldies fans. I think they go to hear something new and fresh which is of equal quality to what has gone before, unless the Lambeth Walk has come back into fashion !

IMO the next Mello Souls Butch turns up will be far more popular/talked about/in demand than any R&B or funk 45.

As for progress I heard that back at the Mecca in 76/77 and at tail-end of Wigan but the 45s kept turning up that kept the scene going for another 30 years.

ROD

Well it isn't me that confused! I haven't a clue about northern soul, and certainly dont believe it to be dead as a progressive entity.

my post was in reponse to people on here who say that the dependence on either oldies on one hand, or associated sub-styles like r&b or funk on the other, is due to a deficit of newies in the traditional northern style.

I haven't a clue if there are proper northern newies to play or not, but was making the point that people dont necesarily play funk or r&b in a desperate attempt to play something new, as is often claimed, but because they really like funk & r&b, as much as northern style soul.

I know I do.

my ideal night simply plays great soul music, these nuances of genre that supposedly separate northern from funk from modern from northern from hard edged from r&b from popcorn...dont really mean anything to me.

While I'm sure most of the old school crowd are outraged at this concept of open minded soul appreciation, it is my bet that all the people lined up to inherit soul music and save it from nostalgic battle re-enactment oblivion on one hand or chin stroking trophy collecting middle aged blokey tedium on the other, feel pretty much the same as me.

remember, this genre of music we know as northern soul is so diverse as to be meaningless anyway, in a musical sense. It only exists as a construct of those who like it - like a collective version of individual taste.

there's no rule or theory anywhere that says it is a correct understanding of music, or even soul music. The original musicians wouldnt recognise it, neither do I.

Point being : evolution and progress seems to be discarding the old northern soul rules. Let it. If you like those rules, maybe the only place you're going to see them recognised is the oldies scene:

Edited December 17, 2014 by pow wow mik

[Mellorful]

I was surprised Outsiders, Lee Andrews & the Hearts, Mel Williams and George Carrow didn't make it into the 20, they are not up and coming tunes but rather proper NS dancers that always seem to get the dance floor going at venues I attend.

Soulutions, Jonathon Capree and Tommy Navaro are 3 that I seldom hear....... but dont think I'm missing anything and when on the rare occassion that I do hear em they do nothing for the dance floor.

One major blessing is that the 'select 10 DJ's' didn't pick Nolan Porter's - "If I could only be sure" it pisses me off but always gets a full dance floor. Bah humbug!

[Mellorful]

As you say, it was around, everywhere - but nobody ever played it because it was too cheap and too common...until..

Is anyone brave enough to claim to be the DJ who intoduced Bob Sinclair to the scene?

[Zed1]

Is anyone brave enough to claim to be the DJ who intoduced Bob Sinclair to the scene?

 

I'd think he'd be feeling pretty smug as given it's popularity he clearly knows his audience.....

[Mike]

March 2008.....nearly 7 years ago, Popsike shows a copy at £91

 

Description states.....

 

THIS IS MASSIVELY FILLING DANCEFLOORS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

 

No soundfile....so must have been know then....link below, should be top of page

 

https://www.popsike.com/php/quicksearch.php?pagenum=1&searchtext=stanky&incldescr=&sortord=adate&thumbs=&currsel=

 

 

soul source search gives you more 

there's a 2007 thread straight after it was played at burnley

sales later at 25 rasing to 80, then features in wants , playlists etc etc

[Mellorful]

I'd think he'd be feeling pretty smug as given it's popularity he clearly knows his audience.....

But he might be arrested by the the soul police and put before 'The Bench' of NS DJ peers; be tried and punished to the full extent of the Alfie Kahn!

[Len]

but because they really like funk & r&b, as much as northern style soul.

 

 

Does that mean they have a place at a Northern event?

 

.......I miss the modern rooms that were 'kicking' and attached to every Nighter I went to in the 90's.

 

Gavin page's Winsford Modern room was the bees knees

 

All the best,

 

Len

Edited December 17, 2014 by LEN

[KevH]

March 2008.....nearly 7 years ago, Popsike shows a copy at £91

 

Description states.....

 

THIS IS MASSIVELY FILLING DANCEFLOORS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

 

No soundfile....so must have been know then....link below, should be top of page

 

https://www.popsike.com/php/quicksearch.php?pagenum=1&searchtext=stanky&incldescr=&sortord=adate&thumbs=&currsel=

 

Mace,i've read the "dance floor" filler description for some real donkey's.This being one.

[Mace]

soul source search gives you more 

there's a 2007 thread straight after it was played at burnley

sales later at 25 rasing to 80, then features in wants , playlists etc etc

 

Just shows what a wonderful site you host Mike.......CF or Popsike don't show any earlier than this date....not sure how far they go back mind.

 

I'd say Fred is definitely to blame then.......

[KevH]

soul source search gives you more 

there's a 2007 thread straight after it was played at burnley

sales later at 25 rasing to 80, then features in wants , playlists etc etc

 

OOPs,,back to Fred again.......you don't want that on your CV.

[KevH]

Just shows what a wonderful site you host Mike.......CF or Popsike don't show any earlier than this date....not sure how far they go back mind.

 

I'd say Fred is definitely to blame then.......

 

You've put another 50 on it by keep posting.

[Mace]

Mace,i've read the "dance floor" filler description for some real donkey's.This being one.

 So that's how you built your collection.......to be fair to whoever the seller was in this instance, it seems as though it was indeed filling dancefloors by March 2008......

[jocko]

I'd think he'd be feeling pretty smug as given it's popularity he clearly knows his audience.....

I suspect he's a DJ part time only, but a shepherd by day!

[Mace]

OOPs,,back to Fred again.......you don't want that on your CV.

 

Poor Fred!

[Little-stevie]

Mace,i've read the "dance floor" filler description for some real donkey's.This being one.

.. Indeedc that old description bullshit from record dealers, ooooooh it's massive, taking the roof off, bla bla bla.. One of them tunes that sounds ok on first listen if yer drinks been spiked maybe... Ok, Stankey gate over now or does Phil have the last say??.. I would like to know where this poll comes from??

[Patto]

 So that's how you built your collection.......to be fair to whoever the seller was in this instance, it seems as though it was indeed filling dancefloors by March 2008......

 

That Timescale sounds about right to me.I bought my copy of Stanky in June 2008 after hearing it for the first time at Prestwich a few months earlier

[Pete Eccles]

That Timescale sounds about right to me.I bought my copy of Stanky in June 2008 after hearing it for the first time at Prestwich a few months earlier

 

You will probably tell me it wasn't me Patto, but that time scale fits in with me playing my first one at T.S.O.P, I say first one as I have got rid of it twice for it to get another lease of life and me pick it up again,

[Iancsloft]

No it bloody wasn't. They all jumped on it after Fred played it. None of you have a clue when it was played, I have.

Don't talk b*llocks Phil it was being played all over the bloody place if I'm wrong I,ll saw the top of mi yed off pour ya a nice chianti and let ya feast on mi brains ... Lol

Edited February 7, 2015 by pikeys dog
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[Wiganer1]

sounds like mecca vs wigan ref stanky 45....

 

come on guys dont take it too seriously ...

[Quinvy]

Don't talk b*llocks Phil it was being played all over the bloody place if I'm wrong I,ll saw the top of mi yed off pour ya a nice chianti and let ya feast on mi brains ... Lol

Read the other posts you ****ing knob. Apologies accepted. Bloody know-it-all's on here, know **** all.

Edited February 7, 2015 by pikeys dog
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[Jumpinjoan]

Arguing over who played Skanky, pmsl

[Patto]

You will probably tell me it wasn't me Patto, but that time scale fits in with me playing my first one at T.S.O.P, I say first one as I have got rid of it twice for it to get another lease of life and me pick it up again,

 

Pete it may well have been you or possibly Nige Brown.You both played blinding sets but i knew each record until Stanky came on and i sat down to listen to it for first the time.The record sounded great in that great venue and i started looking for my own copy and bagged one a few months after.It may turn a few noses up now a days but at first plays Stanky certainly made a big impact.

[Pete Eccles]

Pete it may well have been you or possibly Nige Brown.You both played blinding sets but i knew each record until Stanky came on and i sat down to listen to it for first the time.The record sounded great in that great venue and i started looking for my own copy and bagged one a few months after.It may turn a few noses up now a days but at first plays Stanky certainly made a big impact.

 

It was me then Patto, Nige will verify I put him on to it so I doubt he would have played it at T.S.O.P around that time

[Iancsloft]

Read the other posts you ****ing knob. Apologies accepted. Bloody know-it-all's on here, know **** all.

Phil if your going to call me a ........ing knob please say it to my face not behind a keyboard I,ll be at Stubshaw Niter 27 Dec hope you can make it I,ll even pay your entry it will be well worth it to see you again

love Ian

[Frankie Crocker]

Des Parker and Johnny Beggs found a boxful of 'Stanky' on the stairs at Val Shivelys over 6 years ago, and it was selling for decent money back then....think they might have turned the box round so no-one else could read the title written on the box, and returned on several occasions to re-stock......perhaps Beggsy or Des sold one to Fred.... ;o)

The fact that this title has been ignored for the last 34 years at Val's speaks volumes for its quality. I've had the record for 20 years and listed the other side 'I've Tried' as the better track. Perhaps Fred had put it back in the sleeve the wrong way round, took it out, spun the B side and the rest is history...