Record Started Jumping

[Paddy Ferry]

Why would a record that played fine start jumping?

[Godzilla]

You've knocked it, there's a bit of crap in the groove, worn stylus, alien substitution. Could be a lot of things really....

[Paddy Ferry]

I can't remember knocking it but it is possible, cleaned it and the needles get changed regularly , it just seems odd one time it's playing fine and now this niggle.

[Mark R]

Anti-skate/tracking force changed?

[Guest johnny hart]

Hi paddy wack, don,t Know the answer to the sudden jump, my solution is ; a firm clean of area{alcohol based fluid} then increase stylus down ward weight and plough anew groove till it dissapears! no gaurantees !

[Paddy Ferry]

I've just played another one and that jumps too, on this one though I can see a scratch that's appeared, all I can put it down too is I played at a club where the stage had uneven floor boards and if anyone walked in a certain place it lifted causing the record to jump, I'm gutted about this one it's the Dells , Your Song 12" I've just bought a 7" so I thought I'd give it a play before trying to sell it.

[grouse]

Try changing the stylus for a new one and put some extra weight on. Might work.....

You've nothing to lose

Edited January 13, 2015 by grouse

[Chris L]

Anti-skate/tracking force changed?

 

I've never really known what that anti-skate thing does

[Pete S]

I've never really known what that anti-skate thing does

 

Nor me, absolutely no idea what it even means

[Mark R]

I've never really known what that anti-skate thing does

 

It controls the lateral force on the stylus, therefore controls its desire to traverse towards or away from the centre of the record.

 

Ordinarily on the dial this is set to the same value as the tracking force.  For mixing/scratching the anti-skate value is set to less than the tracking force as scratching/mixing isn't "normal play" and with the standard settings the stylus will tend to want to jump out of the groove.  Backing it off prevents this.

 

To be honest, and without starting WWIII, it amazes me that the rare record brigade who pay big money for vinyl know so little about these things.  It's very important for the care of your records and indeed reproduction.  It's not just about stylus/age/quality.

 

I did a gig last year where the decks were almost inoperable.  Within two minutes of me setting all this up they were playing fine, both from a sound quality perspective and a "skipping" perspective.  I didn't know the tracking force value for the stylus and made an educated guess which obviously did the trick.  It's often the case that if it ain't your deck then you don't know what the correct settings are.

 

My Dual turntable is 1.25g tracking force and I set the skate to the same value.  I tend to use this for playing my 7's.

 

My Technics decks are more for DJ'ing and therefore have stylii with greater tracking force (3g).  On these I set the skate to a value of 2, not 3, so that I can back cue/mix without the stylus jumping out of the groove.

 

Hope that helps.

 

 

Cheers,

Mark R

[Chris L]

It controls the lateral force on the stylus, therefore controls its desire to traverse towards or away from the centre of the record. Ordinarily on the dial this is set to the same value as the tracking force.  For mixing/scratching the anti-skate value is set to less than the tracking force as scratching/mixing isn't "normal play" and with the standard settings the stylus will tend to want to jump out of the groove.  Backing it off prevents this. To be honest, and without starting WWIII, it amazes me that the rare record brigade who pay big money for vinyl know so little about these things.  It's very important for the care of your records and indeed reproduction.  It's not just about stylus/age/quality. I did a gig last year where the decks were almost inoperable.  Within two minutes of me setting all this up they were playing fine, both from a sound quality perspective and a "skipping" perspective.  I didn't know the tracking force value for the stylus and made an educated guess which obviously did the trick.  It's often the case that if it ain't your deck then you don't know what the correct settings are. My Dual turntable is 1.25g tracking force and I set the skate to the same value.  I tend to use this for playing my 7's. My Technics decks are more for DJ'ing and therefore have stylii with greater tracking force (3g).  On these I set the skate to a value of 2, not 3, so that I can back cue/mix without the stylus jumping out of the groove.  Hope that helps.   Cheers, Mark R

 

Thanks Mark (I think ) just checked, I used a Stanton DJ Pro 500AL, the booklet says the tracking force is 2 to 5 grams. I guess I'd better go and learn up on what that all means and how I should set my decks up proper like. Right, be back in about 2 years then !!  

[Chris L]

This instructional video is pretty neat. 

 

 

[Mark R]

This instructional video is pretty neat. 

 

 

 

I never thought to look for a tutorial, so nice one!!  It really is easy........but you need the tracking force info for the stylus.

 

 

- Set to zero (turn front ring only)

 

- balance arm horizontally (careful not to stuff stylus into deck when doing so!)

 

- set correct force by turning the whole mass to the right value, and not just the front ring)

 

- set anti-skate to the same value

 

 

 

QED!

 

Cheers,

Mark R

[Mark R]

Clean your records with a carbon fiber brush before each play too...........dust and grit is probably worse for your stylus (and record) than the odd scratch/click is.

 

Imagine that groove laid out straight.......and the imagine the sandpaper effect between stylus and vinyl over that length!!

 

Obviously for DJ's it's not  feasible to take such precautions..........which is ironic so don't mention talc to me..........a pet hate!!

 

 

Cheers,

Mark R

Edited January 14, 2015 by Mark R

[Chris L]

Why would a record that played fine start jumping?

 

I've just had the reverse, a mint copy of Valentines - Breakaway, used to jump in several places now plays fine

[Amsterdam Russ]

Wish I could say the same. Played Tony Milton's 'Comin' home baby' at a night last week and now the thing's got a jump in it that I can't get rid of!    

[Chris L]

Clean your records with a carbon fiber brush before each play too...........dust and grit is probably worse for your stylus (and record) than the odd scratch/click is. Imagine that groove laid out straight.......and the imagine the sandpaper effect between stylus and vinyl over that length!! Obviously for DJ's it's not  feasible to take such precautions..........which is ironic so don't mention talc to me..........a pet hate!! Cheers, Mark R

 

This is neat :

https://www.vinylrecordfair.com/clean-vinyl-records/

[Steve G]

 I used a Stanton DJ Pro 500AL,

 

Wow! They haven't made them for years! Time for a change….

[Guest]

It controls the lateral force on the stylus, therefore controls its desire to traverse towards or away from the centre of the record.

 

Ordinarily on the dial this is set to the same value as the tracking force.  For mixing/scratching the anti-skate value is set to less than the tracking force as scratching/mixing isn't "normal play" and with the standard settings the stylus will tend to want to jump out of the groove.  Backing it off prevents this.

 

To be honest, and without starting WWIII, it amazes me that the rare record brigade who pay big money for vinyl know so little about these things.  It's very important for the care of your records and indeed reproduction.  It's not just about stylus/age/quality.

 

I did a gig last year where the decks were almost inoperable.  Within two minutes of me setting all this up they were playing fine, both from a sound quality perspective and a "skipping" perspective.  I didn't know the tracking force value for the stylus and made an educated guess which obviously did the trick.  It's often the case that if it ain't your deck then you don't know what the correct settings are.

 

My Dual turntable is 1.25g tracking force and I set the skate to the same value.  I tend to use this for playing my 7's.

 

My Technics decks are more for DJ'ing and therefore have stylii with greater tracking force (3g).  On these I set the skate to a value of 2, not 3, so that I can back cue/mix without the stylus jumping out of the groove.

 

Hope that helps.

 

 

Cheers,

Mark R

My goodness.......spray me with your nerd-musk pleeeeese!!!

                    

[Chris L]

Wow! They haven't made them for years! Time for a change….

 

I wasn't aware of that, I bought about 7 or 8 of them in the US and Italy. Down to my last one, any suggestions for a replacement ?

[pow wow mik]

I came back from DJing few weeks ago with two big dirty scratches having appeared on a record; no idea how but pretty depressing

[Tony A]

I wasn't aware of that, I bought about 7 or 8 of them in the US and Italy. Down to my last one, any suggestions for a replacement ?

 

Stanton stopped making cartridges, don't know if the brand has been brought back as I have seen a few for sale lately  

someone may know.

Anyway if you just want to replace the styli and stick with your original cartridge I found a few ways to do this, you could risk one of the copies off the internet lots of cheap lookalikes    or a Japanese company called Jico made replacements for all the popular Stanton range     The option I went for was a Pickering stylus   Stanton & Pickering were sister companies and pickering are still going, lots of cartridges from the companies had the same bodies & workings as each other (to save money)  and the only difference was the label stuck on the product.

 

So lots of styli were interchangeable.

Stanton 500AL = Pickering D1507DJ  the two styli don't look alike but trust me they fit & work.

 

Will post you a pic of them tomorrow Chris. 

[Chris L]

Stanton stopped making cartridges, don't know if the brand has been brought back as I have seen a few for sale lately  

someone may know.

Anyway if you just want to replace the styli and stick with your original cartridge I found a few ways to do this, you could risk one of the copies off the internet lots of cheap lookalikes    or a Japanese company called Jico made replacements for all the popular Stanton range     The option I went for was a Pickering stylus   Stanton & Pickering were sister companies and pickering are still going, lots of cartridges from the companies had the same bodies & workings as each other (to save money)  and the only difference was the label stuck on the product.

 

So lots of styli were interchangeable.

Stanton 500AL = Pickering D1507DJ  the two styli don't look alike but trust me they fit & work.

 

Will post you a pic of them tomorrow Chris. 

 

Many thanks

[Mark R]

My goodness.......spray me with your nerd-musk pleeeeese!!!

Only if you hit me over the head with those knackered 7's first! ;-)

Cheers,

Mark R

[Dazdakin]

Arrhhh those pesky valentines duffers.....it seemed all you could buy in the 80's was copies that jumped all in the same place....and they all looked mint.

Don't hear of them these days though.

Dazz