Northern Soul Uk Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) Hi, can someone please help? I have aquired 2 copies of Rufus Lumley - I'm standing, both on the 'Holton' label. Both labels are a different lay out, one has the matrix number in small text and has the runout scratched in 'SY4M 6588', and the other copy has the matrix number in larger text and then the info in smaller text, and SKUM-6588 on the run out and 'A1' twice. What is the difference between the 2 does anyone know? Edited January 12, 2015 by Northern Soul UK Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ik001 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 If the matrix is scratched it's a counterfeit if it is stamped an original. According to Manship's guide that is. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Northern Soul Uk Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) Both different layouts, and different matrix numbers in the runout Edited January 12, 2015 by Northern Soul UK Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ik001 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Both boots then I'm afraid. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Northern Soul Uk Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 Thank you, but any idea why the different layouts and matrix numbers? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Thank you, but any idea why the different layouts and matrix numbers? Booted by 2 different people. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Northern Soul Uk Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 Just want to know which to keep, they are of the same value then I take it? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ik001 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 No reference in Manships book to a SKUM no. only a SK4M-6588 stamped one. Are you sure the U is not a scratched 4? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I don't remember this being booted twice, have a real good check of the darker red one's run off Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Northern Soul Uk Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 This has been VERY difficult to photograph as its a feint scratch, but yes it's definitely a 'U' not a '4' Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ik001 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 This has been VERY difficult to photograph as its a feint scratch, but yes it's definitely a 'U' not a '4' SKUM.jpg I would think that this is a poor attempt to counterfeit then. The original is stamped and there should also be a stamped "R" 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Original also has an upside down capitol R stamped in the runout. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Northern Soul Uk Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 I would think that this is a poor attempt to counterfeit then. The original is stamped and there should also be a stamped "R" There is an 'R' but not stamped :-( Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Not to worry, get it on Ebay if your lucky it may attract an idiot! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Northern Soul Uk Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) Pete, by the darker red one, which do you mean? the one with the round sticker on or the one without? Edited January 12, 2015 by Northern Soul UK Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I don't remember this being booted twice, have a real good check of the darker red one's run off Pete I always thought once in the 70 and then again in the 90s. The 70s one looking more like the original. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Pete, by the darker red one, which do you mean? the one with the round sticker on or the one without? Original is a very rich/deep red & proper black. The 70s boot is wishy-washy in colour compared to it. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Northern Soul Uk Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 Original is a very rich/deep red & proper black. The 70s boot is wishy-washy in colour compared to it. The one with the sticker on is that Red and the other wishy washy. I'll keep the one with the sticker on I think Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Hitsville Chalky Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rufus-Lumley-Im-Standing-7-Single-Northern-Soul-1966-Holton-H5001-/321559894278?pt=UK_Records&hash=item4ade769906 so is this a boot ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mrtag Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rufus-Lumley-Im-Standing-7-Single-Northern-Soul-1966-Holton-H5001-/321559894278?pt=UK_Records&hash=item4ade769906 so is this a boot ? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rufus-Lumley-Im-Standing-7-Single-Northern-Soul-1966-Holton-H5001-/321559894278?pt=UK_Records&hash=item4ade769906 so is this a boot ? I would say so Mate!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rufus-Lumley-Im-Standing-7-Single-Northern-Soul-1966-Holton-H5001-/321559894278?pt=UK_Records&hash=item4ade769906 so is this a boot ? 100% definitely a boot Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Northern Soul Uk Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 So is the verdict that both of mine are boots, and booted by different bootleggers? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Hitsville Chalky Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Thanks Pete and John ..expensive for a boot lol Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rufus-Lumley-Im-Standing-7-Single-Northern-Soul-1966-Holton-H5001-/321559894278?pt=UK_Records&hash=item4ade769906 so is this a boot ? Certainly is! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) So is the verdict that both of mine are boots, and booted by different bootleggers? Definitely not originals. Do both labels look like proper labels?.......what I mean is, not photocopied A4 cut-outs and stuck on with pritt or something? Edited....cos sometimes i`m an illiterate bastard and I don`t check my typing! Edited January 12, 2015 by Guest Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Wiggyflat Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 The bottom.one is a Def boot.I have it somewhere.A very faded and washed out label. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ik001 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Definitely not originals. Do both labels look like proper labels?.......what I mean is, not photocopied A4 cut-outs and stuck on with pritt or something? Edited....cos sometimes i`m an illiterate bastard and I don`t check my typing! But you are a Claret supporter so you are excused this time. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Northern Soul Uk Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 Both proper labels deffo, but one (the one without the sticker) is fairly faded compared to the other, the other is a rich red colour with no fading. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Labeat Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Both proper labels deffo, but one (the one without the sticker) is fairly faded compared to the other, the other is a rich red colour with no fading. Don't you wish you'd have got British? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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