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John Manship Auction Results 25-2-2015

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Al Williams I Am Nothing C/w Brand New Love

RESERVE NOT MET

“Without You - I Am Nothing, Nothing At All…”

That is most probably what the Northern Soul collector is thinking right now - if this Top-Drawer Detroit-dominator is not in your collection today, it is a chasm that must be filled before you leave…

Both sides give up Fred Bridges & Richard Knight creations - both like most of the pairings endeavors are the very pinnacle of the true Northern Soul sound. “I Am Nothing” has been perched at the summit of NS collecting for decades, it’s impressive rarity, holding up every year since the 70s.

The flipside for those of you digging below the surface, will consider every note as good as the iconic top-side. Both sides shimmer and strut, with the Sound Of Detroit sparking off every note. Al’s despondent vocal emits despair whilst riding a rich dance arrangements, girls & guys choruses cultivate two of the greatest Northern Soul conceptions ever released…

THIS IS NORTHERN SOUL - twice over.

vinyl is beautiful both sides - labels do not suffer from the dreaded “La Beat” flood.. but the A-side label has a pen “swirling” see scan - flipside label is PERFECT!

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The winning bid was £ 2,491.00

 
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Joe Douglas Something To Brag About C/w Crazy Things

The AUTHENTIC ORIGINAL press.

Beware of vinyl pressed New York counterfeits from the same source as Me Williams, Sandy Wynns, Carstairs, Fred Hughes, Dalton Boys, Casanova Two and countless others.

This is the ORIGINAL legitimate matrix stamped 60s made real-deal.

Both sides provide you with potent Northern Soul. The A-side features sax-god Mike Terry on one of his many Philly sessions with Bobby Martin pulling the strings on this relentless dancer, prompted throughout by an insistently burping baritone sax. BRILLIANT NORTHERN SOUL is not going over-the-top.

Flip it over, and just like Yvonne Baker’s Junior recording. Philly studios are offered the loan of a Jack Ashford & Mike Terry collaboration for the flipside. “Crazy Things” is drenched in Detroit luster from start to finish. A mid-tempo giving up it’s original identity with every stroke of the piano and the subtly supporting horns..

TWO STAND-OUT SIDES - do not settle for that fake bendy repro…

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The winning bid was £ 312.00

 
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Ascots Anytime C/w Sometimes I Wonder

Washington, D.C. vocal group Northern Soul you can never tire of. Like all this group’s recording this is scintillating vocal group Northern Soul from the top-level of the genre, as Donald Walden & Rosco Bowie once again convey the aspects of his style so perfectly.

Stabbing horns, soaring trumpets carry male vocals through a Northern Soul groove of pure-quality as tghe Ascot not for the first time flex their superior blending of voices to the max..

I’m addicted to this style and just adore the horns breaks and the soaring vocals that build to crescendo as the session draws to a close - you can physically feel their enjoyment in their work.

Flip it over, the boys again display precise timing, tight-harmonies and soulful delivery with a consistency that makes this offering a double-delight with the B-side fully deserving of same amount of attention as the “A”..

Vocal group NS at its very best!!

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The winning bid was £ 374.00

 
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Various Artists Switched On Blues

Serious MOTOWN collectors here is something rather special!

Motown 10 track testament to Detroit R&B

Perfect vinyl on both sides…

Both PROMO labels also perfect

Original full colour LP-advert inner-sleeve “as new”

Cover is free of any writing, stains, seam splits, ring-wear or any other detracting flaw. Cover spine, top and bottom seams reveal the light wear of shelve life (see scan).

This album is a beauty, a rarity and so different musically to the “Motown norm” it is an essential acquisition - do not snooze on this listing - finding another comparable copy would be a foolish-vinyl-dream.

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The winning bid was £ 38.00

 
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Tony Cummings The Sound Of Philadelphia

One very hard book to find - the highly regarded 1975 chronicling of The Philadelphia sound by Tony Cummings.

An early in-depth burrowing into behind the scenes; the birth, growth and world domination of 70s Soul. The unstoppable Kenny Gamble & Leon Huff machine that became the second USA City to be honoured with those three coveted words “THE SOUND OF..” before it’s name.

This is a 1975 publication written by a seasoned Soul journalist who had already edited the early 60s fanzine “Soul” which grew to become “Soul Monthly” which eventually morphed into the now iconic “Shout” magazine. Later he took the reigns at “Black Music” magazine, which rivaled “Blues & Soul” during the early part of the 70’s.

Tony Cummings could not have been better informed or experienced in the Sound Of Soul, to write such an engaging book - which unfortunately didn’t sell well at the time, but is now rightly considered a major-collectors item of its genre.

This copy could hardly be finer, a minuscule light fray top back cover is the only defect i can find…

If you’ve not read it - it is a must - plus it is full of fabulous archive black & white pics.

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The winning bid was £ 30.00

 
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Johnnie Taylor Blues In The Night C/w Watermelon Man

Taken from JT’s 1967 LP “Wanted One Soul Singer”

But as a 45 both sides unissued as 45s, in both the USA & England; but French Atlantic/Stax recognized two winning tunes when they heard them - or did they? As compelling a dance-track as this is - it too, like so many other masterpiece dance-tracks before them - sold absolutely zilch upon release.

Oddly the French LP series “Formidable Rhythm & Blues” Volume 7 the sleeve states it came from actually does not have this track on it. Leaving Johnnie Taylor’s finest Northern Soul 3 minutes one damn tough recording to secure.

If you want potent full-volume to DJ with, forget the EP or LP route - hunt down this high fidelity French 45 with the picture sleeve.. it is loud, clear and utterly irresistible..

Like a snake charmer, the guitar rhythm pulls you in like a cobra out of the basket and into the light - the sax breaks through, the horns flood the air and Johnnie nicotine coated, whiskey worn vocal does the rest!!!

MESMERIZING!!!! 

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The winning bid was £ 363.00

 
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Christine Cooper Heartaches Away My Boy

A listing especially aimed especially at those of you in pursuit of the legendary Northern Soul classics in their seriously rare and least seen clothes.

Here is a gorgeous Promo - with the jumbled-up P A R K W A Y logo adorned with the two shields; pressed in Los Angeles the spring of 1966. How thrilling is it for the old-school collector to encounter this pinnacle of Sister-Northern-Soul in this head-turning form.

A Jewel in any Northern Soul assemblage - just stunning.

Radio Station notes and date received on label - the playing surface has light surface marks but as you can hear from the full soundfile provided it plays loud, clean and true.

RARE in the extreme and every time I hear it - my fave Northern Soul girl-tune!

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The winning bid was £ 421.00

 
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Drake & The En-solids Please Leave Me C/q I'll Always Be There

The extremely elusive PROMO copy in “as new” condition.

Chicago vocal-group Northern Soul you scarcely see as the DEMO copy - in “as new” condition? May we suggest hardly ever…

A sparkling horn propelled stomping foot-to-the-floor acrobatic Northern Soul; with real class injected by highly-honed harmony vocals cradling the pleading leading man. But those horns.. WOW they go long, hard, thrusting their way to the front of the production. In-Your-Face or what?

PROPER NORTHERN SOUL!!

Flip it over, the boys calm down a little but lose none of their razor sharp harmony delivery. This has got to be a firm-candidate for Just Soul or Soul Essence wet Saturday afternoons or certainly Guinness drenched snug evening spent at Seriously Soulful in Bristol.

Too awesome not to have its turn at all this deluxe venues..

If you wanna own this double-delectation of Soul - do it the hard way

A MINT PROMO is the way… your mate ain’t gonna own one…  

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The winning bid was £ 136.00

 
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Coasters Love Potion Number Nine

A gleaming 1971 UK Demo!

Jerry Leiber & Mike Stoller revamp their 1959 “Clovers” recording with their long standing association with the Coasters and the result is staggering..

Check out what 12 years on has done for this memorable recording - fabulous Northern Soul filled with the Latin influences of New York. Idea for today’s Northern Soul sets that are embracing the Latin flavoured recordings.

This one particularly benefiting from a sensational Herbie Mann styled “Flute instrumental” break, tight vocals and relentless “Spanish Harlem” horns..surely this is a sleeper waiting to cause a stir.. especially if it’s spinning the turntable in full Green & White Glory!

Condition is flawless throughout…

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The winning bid was £ 122.00

 
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Ray Pollard It's A Sad Thing C/w All The Things You Are

I’ve just read on the internet that Ray Pollard was a well regarded voice , who was most famous for being a member of “The Wanderers”…I’d like to adjust that rather insipid statement slightly..

Ray Pollard has THE voice that is worshiped by many 100’s of thousands of Northern Soul devotees spread across the globe.. with his recording “The Drifter” weighed-in as one of the most-precious NS recordings of all time…drivel “well regarded” indeed.. this man is “The Baron Of The Beat Ballad”

To add credence to that statement here is another United Artists recording with the power to change your day…

Only a full orchestra could ever embellish Ray’s dominating vocal and when it carries all those “Spanish Harlem” production cliches, New York screams right at you…with another spectacular performance by a Northern Soul Demigod .. with one of the most emotive vocals ever pressed to vinyl…

You see, I personally consider Ray Pollard so highly - I’ve not even mentioned that this stupidly rare 1966 UK press is the intensely-desired RED & WHITE DEMO in so near pristine condition…

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The winning bid was £ 193.00

 
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Marvelettes I'll Keep On Holding C/w No Time For Tears

The sun is streaming through my office window and I’m sitting here thinking how long is it now? .. that I’ve been in love with the British Tamla Motown label. For literally decades I have trawled the 45 RPM boxes (like we all have) the sight of the “Orange Wavy-Top” sleeve, sets my pulse racing. The eyes instantly focus, not on the artist or the title but the TMG number to the middle right of the label.

Does it start with a 5 or a 6, even a 7 could be OK ..is it a hit or one that slipped past the radio jocks and failed to sell…a rarity?

A 5!! wow!! a non-hit Wow again…! The Marvelettes.. Wow! - I’ll Keep Holding On WOW WOW!! the slow-motion slide out of the sleeve … flick it around in the July sunlight and it only reveals the lightest of blemishes.. Mint minus…WOW!

Oh My God ..I’ve hit the TMG Jackpot !!! 30p off a Melton Mowbray Market Stall at 8.45 on a Saturday morning…

Then that all too often heard scream sails up the stairs from the kitchen … it’s my Mum …”Get Out Of Bloody Bed…!!! you’ll be late for work..”

Past vinyl-dreams of an apprentice Gas Fitter…flooded my head today when this disc landed on my desk..

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The winning bid was £ 156.00

 
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Drapels Wondering (when My Love Is Coming Home) C/w Please Don't Leave Me

RARE, PERFECT, DEMO!

In honor of one of Soul’s most distinctive Sister-Voices, the under-recorded and sadly recently passed Wendy Rene’s vocal assistance on this Memphis rarity, offering up two ends of the Soul collectors spectrum, in their very best light.

We lead with a deliciously constructed Northern Soul mid-tempo from this mixed vocal group, in which Wendy Rene and relatives plead their way through an imploring mid-tempo dancer, with Wendy’s answering within the chorus, enriching and deepening a solemn plea with the NS dance-arrangement.

This 45 is RARE, and in this perfect condition - almost impossible - that is maybe why, most of you have never heard this lady within a group before.

Flip it over and we encounter seriously sorrowful Deep Soul decorated again by an on-your-knees lead male vocal and Wendy Rene’s highly pitched vocal cutting through the session.

Mary Frierson aka Wendy Rene found fame late in life as her best known Stax recording “Bar-B-Que” went USA wide as a TV advert, but finished her recording career at Stax mid-60s to concentrate on her commitment to a Gospel Choir.

This is easily her obscurest Rare Soul contribution, bequeathing so much for the serious Soul and Northern Soul addict. Click again and enjoy the voice of an Angel supporting a fully armed vocal-group.

LOVE IT - both sides.

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The winning bid was £ 86.00

 
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R 'n' B Scene Vol. 1 # 4 1964 Edition 4 Of The R&b Scene

Chorlton-Cum-Hardy was not the birth place of chronicling Lancashire-Soft-Porn but it was certainly the editorial-centre for the very beginnings of Northern Soul, captured within this extremely rare 1964 edition 4 of Roger Eagle’s “R&B SCENE

The Godfather of Northern Soul Roger Eagle’s enthusiasm seeps from the pages of this “Black Music” saturated fanzine. The iconic DJ of the “Twisted Wheel” one year old series covers in this edition:

Little Walter Story - with artist pic Lavern Baker - with artist pic Freddie King - with artist pic full page black & white of Little Junior Parker full page black & white of Slim Harpo full page black & white of Rufus Thomas Tommy Tucker - interview Little Richard - discography

Full review of the 1964 BLUES FESTIVAL as viewed by Roger Eagle, John White, Dave Waggett & Brian Smith - Manchester’s R&B Young Guns discuss meeting the likes of Sugar Pie DeSanto, Howlin’ Wolf, Lightnin’ Hopkins, Sleepy John Estes, Sunnyland Slim, etc.

Back page is a full advert for the “TWISTED WHEEL” Winter Program includes the clubs resident every Monday Night - ALEXIS KORNER

A unique portal into Northern Soul’s fascinating embryonic period of the early 60s, driven by the Godfather, of what was to mushroom into the worldwide music phenomena ..Northern Soul… 

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The winning bid was £ 56.00

 
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Marisa Gatti Love's What You Want

VERY RARE DETROIT - Sister Northern Soul ! Collecting Detroit Northern Soul doesn’t get much obscurer than this press from Sound Inc.

A Mike Valvano project on a most-imaginative label logo that always makes you smile, but the smokin’ moody production hidden in the grooves jolts your mind straight back into serious collecting mode as the sight of the labels, equally impresses.

Three of Detroit’s prolific providers of Northern Soul come together to craft this unusual session - Mike Valvano, Cholly Bassoline & Jeannine Greer team up; With Jeannine Greer writing solo on this sulking Motown City mover.

A tune that has been talked about for decades, appreciated by the few that own a copy.. like so many Northern Soul heirs to turntable action, this 45 has suffered a little from it’s own weight of rarity. In the right hands at the right venue this would cause more than a casual jog to the turntables for more info…

A serious cult item - do not pass by…

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The winning bid was £ 389.00

 
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Ogletree Brothers Gonna Keep A Check On You C/w Falling In Your Love

Crazy About Crossover?

I 100% am!! especially when it’s as obscure and as fluid as this offering.

A very seldom seen early 70s Georgia recording, featuring sleek male-harmonies driven by funky-spiced horns that delivery an impressive break halfway through. But it’s the seamlessly-soulful vocals that steal the show.. on this classy dance flip side..

The Brothers themselves lead this D.I.Y. 45 with the Deep Soul ballad as the a-side. Oh so soulful as the gently delivered lead vocal, gets caressed by calming horns and a seamlessly rich male harmony chorus. Fabulous blend of Sweet Soul sinking into the Deeper depths of Southern Soul.

Two great sides, private press, D.I.Y. Georgia Soul at it’s most captivating..

Condition is near perfect in every way..

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"Switched On Blues" price wise ;spot on,  I have US and Canadian issues,which are common £20 ,nice  white promo Lp £38 was a Tasty Treat . [Top Track; "For this I Thank You" Gino Parks, nice R&B]

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Sold or not. Al Williams. Is as good as it gets. But that's only my humble opinion. If not sold how much is the reservation price. Thought that

The price shown was its upper limit anyway.

Steve

 

There was writing all over the label though, surely worth waiting for a better one?

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Seller probably wanted £3K for Al Williams but might be better off on eBay with the market continually peaking on the bigger ticket items. Joe Douglas - crazy price. US imports generally lower than Manship #6 valuations - will the priceguides need rewriting if this continues? Just wish he'd put those pesky records with the push-out centres on a set-sale list to spare the majority of us having to flip past them to drool over the proper stuff...

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Well spotted. Possible case of double-your-money misfiring. Great record but this copy looks doomed by the felt pen swirls reducing the value by 20% or more.

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Well spotted. Possible case of double-your-money misfiring. Great record but this copy looks doomed by the felt pen swirls reducing the value by 20% or more.

Though to be fair, the original auction on eBay might have been hampered by this:

 

"Due to U.S. regulations, we cannot ship items as gifts or as a sample. We identify the shipment with the description of contents and total value paid."

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Though to be fair, the original auction on eBay might have been hampered by this:

 

"Due to U.S. regulations, we cannot ship items as gifts or as a sample. We identify the shipment with the description of contents and total value paid."

 

 

True, but a savvy British buyer could have the record directed to a U.S. contact. The purchaser may well be a U.S. dealer who feeds John auctionable items.

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True, but a savvy British buyer could have the record directed to a U.S. contact. The purchaser may well be a U.S. dealer who feeds John auctionabke items.

 

Your last sentence.... exactly what i had in mind

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Darren Brown or Rare Soul 45s had a Palmer Demo of Al Williams just a week or so ago.  It looks like that sold almost immediately and I think the price it was advertised at was £2,750.

 

I'm note sure which is rarer, La Beat issue or Palmer demo (though I suspect this is a topic that may have been covered on SS at some time).

 

Given the price that these 'big ticket' 45s seem to be fetching at present then had JM's issue had a clean label it might well have achieved closer to the £3K mark methinks.

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Eddie Parker - Al Williams - these DJ's sure have their fingers on the pulse don't they, in another 40 years time they'll discover Mello Souls

 

It is the only way to get bookings and get on on this scene Pete, buy trophy records and spend 1000's in the process......pay way over tne odds and get talked about even more, even better. Not many promoters are interested nor have the balls to put someone behind the decks who uses his or her imagination and who put a well thought out set together irrespective of the price. 

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It is the only way to get bookings and get on on this scene Pete, buy trophy records and spend 1000's in the process......pay way over tne odds and get talked about even more, even better. Not many promoters are interested nor have the balls to put someone behind the decks who uses his or her imagination and who put a well thought out set together irrespective of the price. 

:hatsoff2:  :hatsoff2:  :hatsoff2:

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It is the only way to get bookings and get on on this scene Pete, buy trophy records and spend 1000 in the process......pay way over tne odds and get talked about even more, even better. Not many promoters are interested nor have the balls to put someone behind the decks who uses his or her imagination and who put a well thought out set together irrespective of the price.

If they are spending their hard earned on originals to DJ with ,I for one applaud them !

Nobody can judge the person who buys em ,you or I don't know who they are ,or how long they may have waited for a original copy ,if they are a collector or a dj ?

It's a rare soul scene ,people collect records that have been discovered ,D's play records that have been discovered and played out ...the crux of the matter is ,as long as people wanna hear em ,the scene rolls on at watever pace people want it to .

By making a statement like the one you have ,your actually insulting dj's who dj at all the main events ,including lifelne .

Its tiresome and becoming boring :(

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If they are spending their hard earned on originals to DJ with ,I for one applaud them !

Nobody can judge the person who buys em ,you or I don't know who they are ,or how long they may have waited for a original copy ,if they are a collector or a dj ?

It's a rare soul scene ,people collect records that have been discovered ,D's play records that have been discovered and played out ...the crux of the matter is ,as long as people wanna hear em ,the scene rolls on at watever pace people want it to .

By making a statement like the one you have ,your actually insulting dj's who dj at all the main events ,including lifelne .

Its tiresome and becoming boring :(

Chalky uses the word  IMAGINATION Nev, instead of people chasing the same old same old, there's millions of records out there, get your own, just because the so called big boys aren't playing it doesn't mean you can't buy and play something you believe in, I know you said its becoming boring, but, it will always crop up, just my opinion though

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It is the only way to get bookings and get on on this scene Pete, buy trophy records and spend 1000's in the process......pay way over tne odds and get talked about even more, even better. Not many promoters are interested nor have the balls to put someone behind the decks who uses his or her imagination and who put a well thought out set together irrespective of the price. 

...'get bookings'...the wannabe DJ's will be having agents next... Being a purist at heart, I'm gonna pretend it's going to someone who collects Detroit labels by number and is more concerned about the state of the vinyl than the aesthetics of the label.

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Glad you understand where I am coming from Kev  :thumbsup:

 

anyone can buy a set if you have the money.  Not everyone can use their imagination or put a set together and actually make it flow.  Some of the worst sets I've heard are from trophy hunters who only play records because they cost them a fortune and not necessarily for the quality..  Many of them are disjointed and do not flow and are frankly boring.  You hear many of tne so called rarest of the rare every week if you are out and about.  Some of those who spend thousands don't even have the balls to play an unknown.

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Glad you understand where I am coming from Kev  :thumbsup:

 

anyone can buy a set if you have the money.  Not everyone can use their imagination or put a set together and actually make it flow.  Some of the worst sets I've heard are from trophy hunters who only play records because they cost them a fortune and not necessarily for the quality..  Many of them are disjointed and do not flow and are frankly boring.  You hear many of tne so called rarest of the rare every week if you are out and about.  Some of those who spend thousands don't even have the balls to play an unknown.

 

Perfect time to cut and paste a post I made in the bootlegs thread

 

There are countless people over the last 15 years who are only dj-ing at venues because basically they are rich and have bought themselves into the game, they think because they have the records, they are entitled to get top billing.  It's not as simple as that.  If I won the lottery and spent it all on the worlds rarest Northern sounds, I can guarantee you I would soon be getting top dj spots, makes no difference if I couldn't actually put a spot together, come on people admit it, we all know dj's like this...and am not getting at anyone on here or anywhere else in particular, but it is a known fact that you can buy yourself into this game...so if you have integrity and are at the forefront of discovering new sounds, you can still be caught up by the rich boys who never got off their sofa to obtain a record.

If you were a promoter and I came up to you with a box which contained Gwen Owens, Eddie Parker, Al Williams and Mello Souls, I bet you'd give me a spot..because with those records, I MUST know what I'm doing 

Edited by Pete S

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Perfect time to cut and paste a post I made in the bootlegs thread

 

There are countless people over the last 15 years who are only dj-ing at venues because basically they are rich and have bought themselves into the game, they think because they have the records, they are entitled to get top billing.  It's not as simple as that.  If I won the lottery and spent it all on the worlds rarest Northern sounds, I can guarantee you I would soon be getting top dj spots, makes no difference if I couldn't actually put a spot together, come on people admit it, we all know dj's like this...and am not getting at anyone on here or anywhere else in particular, but it is a known fact that you can buy yourself into this game...so if you have integrity and are at the forefront of discovering new sounds, you can still be caught up by the rich boys who never got off their sofa to obtain a record.

If you were a promoter and I came up to you with a box which contained Gwen Owens, Eddie Parker, Al Williams and Mello Souls, I bet you'd give me a spot..because with those records, I MUST know what I'm doing 

 

Spot on Pete and yes we all know people who have done what you describe and some whomare doing it today. 

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Darren Brown or Rare Soul 45s had a Palmer Demo of Al Williams just a week or so ago.  It looks like that sold almost immediately and I think the price it was advertised at was £2,750.

 

I'm note sure which is rarer, La Beat issue or Palmer demo (though I suspect this is a topic that may have been covered on SS at some time).

 

Given the price that these 'big ticket' 45s seem to be fetching at present then had JM's issue had a clean label it might well have achieved closer to the £3K mark methinks.

 

I remember Tony Parker having a White Demo of Al Williams (On La-Beat) Nice condition if I remember rightly. He let me play it out one night (I think he had run out of time on the decks) That was scary :D 

 

Would this White Demo on La-beat be a lot rarer than the issue? (I am presuming so, but what do I know?)

 

Great record :wink: 

 

Len :thumbsup: 

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Glad you understand where I am coming from Kev  :thumbsup:

 

anyone can buy a set if you have the money.  Not everyone can use their imagination or put a set together and actually make it flow.  Some of the worst sets I've heard are from trophy hunters who only play records because they cost them a fortune and not necessarily for the quality..  Many of them are disjointed and do not flow and are frankly boring.  You hear many of tne so called rarest of the rare every week if you are out and about.  Some of those who spend thousands don't even have the balls to play an unknown.

Can we stay on topic please

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Perfect time to cut and paste a post I made in the bootlegs thread

 

 

If you were a promoter and I came up to you with a box which contained Gwen Owens, Eddie Parker, Al Williams and Mello Souls, I bet you'd give me a spot..because with those records, I MUST know what I'm doing 

There is and always will be a huge difference between collecting and DJing

 

Cheers Paul

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Ref the buying into D.Jing - I understand the points etc, but I actually give most promoters more credit than that. Maybe if  someone become 'flavour of the month' after managing to 'dazzle' someone with all his 'trophies', other promoters may follow and book the said person because they believe he will bring in more people - But I can't blame them for that to be perfectly honest, although I can never see the point in putting on an event that is already happening elsewhere.

 

Pete, No offence like - But I wouldn't give you a spot if that was your C.V :lol: (I know you were jesting) :wink:

 

All the best,

 

Len :thumbsup: 

 

P.s - Sorry, just read 'off topic' :wink: 

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I know, I just can't stop myself!......I must add - Make sure you're not put off those that do own these 'trophy' records that can actually D.J (That would be inverted snobbery) :wink: 

 

......So, which is rarer - La-Beat issue or White Demo?

 

Len :thumbsup: 

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Quote Chalky (Other thread)....."There's three times the amount of Palmer demos on popsike compared to Labeat issues.  Just a couple or three Labeat demos" ......

 

Question answered - Cheers Chalky :wink: 

 

Len :thumbsup: 

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Glad you understand where I am coming from Kev  :thumbsup:

 

anyone can buy a set if you have the money.  Not everyone can use their imagination or put a set together and actually make it flow.  Some of the worst sets I've heard are from trophy hunters who only play records because they cost them a fortune and not necessarily for the quality..  Many of them are disjointed and do not flow and are frankly boring.  You hear many of tne so called rarest of the rare every week if you are out and about.  Some of those who spend thousands don't even have the balls to play an unknown.

One of the biggest problems is ,its a catch 22 situation ...unless your a well established big name DJ ,nobody wants to book a no name DJ playing unknowns .

And if you wanna test that theory ...name me a venue you go to that does ?

The sad thing is ,most people only sit up and take notice of lesser known records when influential DJ's play them .

Look in playlists forum ...the plaudits aren't for unknown DJ's playing unknown records,but the creaming in pants comments are for well known big ticket records being played.

But I'm not against that ,as I've said ,its a rare scene ,it is how its evolved and I'm fine with it and very happy to attend venues playing ultra rare 45's as I am at backstreet clubs playing very diverse ,underplayed lp tracks and things I've never heard .

I did read the whole paragraph ,including the word imagination ,but on the whole you are ,as always ,knocking people or generalising that people are throwing big money at records to buy a DJ set .

Not everyone on soulsource or Facebook or whatever other media is into the "rare " or Northern soul scene ,or into buying or playing big ticket records ,which makes them exempt from my point ,but for those who wish to spend money on expensive records ,its all par to the course IMHO .

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It is the only way to get bookings and get on on this scene Pete, buy trophy records and spend 1000's in the process......pay way over tne odds and get talked about even more, even better. Not many promoters are interested nor have the balls to put someone behind the decks who uses his or her imagination and who put a well thought out set together irrespective of the price. 

 

Which is precisely why I'm not the top DJ in the country  :hatsoff2:

 

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Actually the wife says I'm not even the top DJ in our house  :ohmy:

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Quote Chalky (Other thread)....."There's three times the amount of Palmer demos on popsike compared to Labeat issues.  Just a couple or three Labeat demos" ......

 

Question answered - Cheers Chalky :wink: 

 

Len :thumbsup: 

Is that including mine?  :wicked:

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One of the biggest problems is ,its a catch 22 situation ...unless your a well established big name DJ ,nobody wants to book a no name DJ playing unknowns .

And if you wanna test that theory ...name me a venue you go to that does ?

The sad thing is ,most people only sit up and take notice of lesser known records when influential DJ's play them .

Look in playlists forum ...the plaudits aren't for unknown DJ's playing unknown records,but the creaming in pants comments are for well known big ticket records being played.

But I'm not against that ,as I've said ,its a rare scene ,it is how its evolved and I'm fine with it and very happy to attend venues playing ultra rare 45's as I am at backstreet clubs playing very diverse ,underplayed lp tracks and things I've never heard .

I did read the whole paragraph ,including the word imagination ,but on the whole you are ,as always ,knocking people or generalising that people are throwing big money at records to buy a DJ set .

Not everyone on soulsource or Facebook or whatever other media is into the "rare " or Northern soul scene ,or into buying or playing big ticket records ,which makes them exempt from my point ,but for those who wish to spend money on expensive records ,its all par to the course IMHO .

 

Does anyone play unknowns?  The lack of imagination goes right through the scene and extends to the so called rare or upfront side of the scene, its full of hotboxers chasing the what others are playing rather than seek out something for themselves.

 

As I said I am not slagging anyone off.  I am bemoaning the fact that imagination is frowned upon, by promoters especially but by DJ's afraid of any negative criticism and the though of losing bookings because of it.  It is detrimental to any music scene as it ends up completely retro, forever looking back rather than forward.  It really should be the best of times musically nowadays but it really is stale and backwards looking.  This is evident in the records that are indemand and the pices they achieve at times.

 

What are people supposed to do, not say anything that would appear critical, are people not allowed to voice their opinion just because one or two don't like to hear it?  Far more appear to agree with what I have said than not.

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Does anyone play unknowns?  The lack of imagination goes right through the scene and extends to the so called rare or upfront side of the scene, its full of hotboxers chasing the what others are playing rather than seek out something for themselves.

 

As I said I am not slagging anyone off.  I am bemoaning the fact that imagination is frowned upon, by promoters especially but by DJ's afraid of any negative criticism and the though of losing bookings because of it.  It is detrimental to any music scene as it ends up completely retro, forever looking back rather than forward.  It really should be the best of times musically nowadays but it really is stale and backwards looking.  This is evident in the records that are indemand and the pices they achieve at times.

 

What are people supposed to do, not say anything that would appear critical, are people not allowed to voice their opinion just because one or two don't like to hear it?  Far more appear to agree with what I have said than not.

 

Fully get what you're saying Chalky,but there's only a few who can pull out the true unknowns.Now if you're talking forgotten/lesser played,there's still some trying to plough a furrow.These tend to be dj's down the pecking order,who with nothing to lose,try to put their own stamp on proceedings.All is not lost yet.!!

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