JOE TORQUAY Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Supremes Stoned Love Picture the scene…October 1970 a young upstart Northern Soul DJ had just received his regular “Record Corner” new releases - opening the packet, a USA Motown 1172 stared back at him.. straight onto the turntable went “Stoned Love” ! As you’d expect it took the man’s breath away… he could not wait to get this tune on the decks tonight at Wrexham’s hot-spot for Soul… “Pepper’s Place” . On the hour every hour SOUL SAM spun “Stoned Love” to an overwhelmed audience..by the end of the evening it was Martin Barnfather #1 tune.. the rest of course is history as Frank Wilson’s masterpiece, soon became a the UK release hitting # 3 in the charts.. The point being, for the last 45 years Soul Sam has lost not a crumb of his enthusiasm for being first with the “New” sound.. Respect Martin Respect! Oh the record - it is an unblemished spanker of a 1970 UK Demo - bristling with Northern Soul kudos.. Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 189.00 Butlers With Frank Beverly Because Of My Heart / I Want To Feel I'm Wanted Beyond RARE - beyond words!! Look, listen and swoon…after all it is a record, everyone should try to own at some point in their life - but very, very few ever will. RAREST OF THE RARE but so much more than that… THIS IS NORTHERN SOUL at its utmost finest BOTH SIDES!! Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 3,024.00 Terrible Tom We Were Made For Each Other / Loving Cup Rare STOCK copy addicts, a more perfect example of the genre would be hard to imagine.. An instant Wigan Casino anthem from its inception… An aggressive, angry tune - a proper raise-arms inducer as the “Woo’s Woo’s” instantly hit fever-pitch immediately after, that urgent drum roll opening … The growling gnarled “Tom” vocal is inexplicably out-shone by those penetrating girly shrieks - this is “Woo-Woo” NS at its most explosive! Loud, positive & destructive; not a punch pulled as the session builds & builds.. Visions of highly sprung backdrops, out of control spinning and the sea of arms held aloft as those girls nail the choruses.. THIS IS NORTHERN SOUL In a format and in a condition that rarely comes to market - do not pass by.. Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 362.00 Groovettes Think It Over Baby / Ain't A Thing You Can Do About It Philadelphia boy, Billy Jackson’s brief flirt with California Soul gave birth to one of the most-wanted of all the Northern Soul girl-group rarities. As this, relegated to a B-side, gives up the sound in its moodiest form.. Utterly captivating, as a gathering of sulking girls, are driven forward on wave of rhythmic drums and pounding piano work, a typically inventive Billy Jackson arrangement, elevated even higher by the intrusion of the low-blown saxophone.. The alluring lead vocal, gives up an on your-knees plea for a second-chance and when the sax revisits the session is lifted into Northern Soul immortatity… A record that you can never tire of hearing - stand-out and so decidedly different from anything else you’ll ever hear. AWESOME!! Give the flipside your ear also, as Billy Jackson thought this was good enough to lead with.. Please note, the blinding condition of this rarity - both vinyl and labels are utterly flawless…ACTUALLY THE FINEST COPY I’VE EVER SEEN! Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 1,007.00 Jackie Wilson He's So Fine Stupidly hard-to-find Original 1958 British press. This is his very first album release, so very hard to find, no matter which country it comes from. As a British copy with near perfect vinyl, this album is a prize indeed. Both sides of the vinyl are so very clean, A-side vinyl has only one light blemish across track 1 & 2 so light no needle evidence sounds. B-side vinyl is totally clean Mint -. Both labels are Mint -, center-holes reveal only light signs of sparse spindle intrusion. Original 1958 poly-lined inner sleeve is Mint - Front cover is free of tears, writing, sticker marks or unsightly laminate creasing. Carefully check the scan you may notice two very light black + purple stains (under the laminate) this on the front-right-top, they are tiny and not intrusive on the eye. Back cover this flaw is carried over covering a slightly larger area. Please inspect high quality scans of front & back covers for the visual - stains are very light and the only discernible flaw this whole album carries.. This 1958 history making first release for one of Soul’s “True Icons”…ridiculously difficult to acquire. Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 186.00 Otis Busch Can I Depend On You / Peace Of Mind Most likely the highly regarded Jerhart label’s first 45, seemingly one of Chicago’s “impossibles”. Strap yourself in for an out-of-control juggernaut of Northern Soul R&B from the desk of one of Windy City’s most-effective Soul producers “Bob Lee” Most-all of Bob’s “Hawk” productions are stand-out top-quality examples of street-level D.I.Y. limited press Soul. With a vast majority fitting perfectly into the “Northern Soul” socket. Notabe the equally elusive “David Gage’s” revamp take on the same song “Can I Depend On You” This example is ridiculously obscure, only my 2nd copy in memory and both have the labels reversed. Which probably answers the question of it’s serious obscurity, as with many miss-pressed 45s, they end up discarded and destroyed and in this case pressed again on the “Cha-Cha” #730 this too is so very hard to locate. So click the soundfile to discharge totally persuasive neighborhood R&B profiting from Mr. Lee unquestionable talent for crafting the potent session. The compulsory squealing girl-group, honkin’ horns and a whiskey-worn vocal fuse for a compelling dancefloor-bomb, saturated in all the right ingredients required to turn-heads. Rare and begging to meet an enthusiastic DJ seeking something to spin, that every other Jock don’t own!! Deep Soul enthusiasts will enjoy the flipside.. Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 277.00 Grover Mitchell What Hurts Philadelphia’s finest come together to make the most outrageously brilliant slab of 70s Northern Soul. It is a mystery to me why this hasn’t become one of the NS scenes biggest tunes… it has of course graced the more-discerning events turntables for decades now… but the more pure Northern Soul establishments, it sadly seems to have been overlooked. So darn good.. take time to listen to this Len Barry & Sherman Marshall collaboration delivering thoroughly inspired 70s Soulful dance, thankfully avoiding all those annoying “Disco” cliches that destroyed far too many Soul infused dance-recordings during the 70’s. Told you…totally brilliant isn’t it. .. So now consider owning this delight, in by far its most-desirable least-seen format. An immaculate British DEMO inside an original company sleeve.. Irresistible! Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 121.00 Ray Pollard The Drifter C/w Let Him Go (and Let Me Love You) The thrill of the chase, the find, the capture… When I was 10 years of age my biggest buzz of my first decade was actually catching Christine Carter in the school playground.. cornered, unable to escape.. I stole the kiss I dreamt about.. 4 years later, that elation was totally eclipsed, when, with my Dad watching I scored a 15 yard volley from an Ian Newham cross for Melton Swifts one Sunday morning - the perfectly sweet contact I made, still stays with me today.. Many years later whilst stalking the river Eye with my young son, a free-line piece of cheese tempted a monstrous 6lb Chub to my hook and eventually onto the bank my most impressive fish I ever caught.. Yesterday I was rummaging through a box of neglected 45s and I found this stunner in immaculate condition… s Sorry to Christine, my Dad and the glittering fish; But all of the three above memorable moments in my over 60 years of rather ordinary life.. cannot compare to the tumultuous euphoria of the vision this Red & White PROMO of one of Northern Soul most-coveted British releases… Vinyl finds - you can’t beat them. Opening the packet after achieving ownership of this legendary trophy, will no doubt be, like me, in your top 5 most-memorable moments too.. Condition is blinding.. one light brief surface blemish.. from years of isolation. Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 680.00 Hitsville U.s.a. 2 See You In March! Dear Swinger & Friend.. that was Dave Godin’s opening greeting for his groundbreaking HITSVILLE U.S.A. fanzine.. this example dedicated to welcoming the Motown Revue for their March 1965 tour of England - see tour schedule.. This example is the very RARE Tamla Motown Appreciation Society February 1965 20 page booklet crammed with essential reading: Marvin Gaye feature with two photos Temptations - 1 photo Ike & Tina Turner feature as the “People We Like” (who are not Motown 3 pages of Record Reviews Lamont Dozier feature + photo Clive Stone’s 4 page report on his visit to Detroit The HOT 20 CHART - and so much more .. Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 106.00 Kenny B. Love Doesn't Live Here Any More / Say It Ain't So A Deep Soul trophy-piece shrouded in mystery. The first assumption was that this New York conceived Deep Soul treasure, was the work of Kenny Ballad, but according to the world’s foremost Deep Soul guru John Ridley, he is now having second thoughts of the singers identity, after consulting Japan’s leading Soul experts. The conclusion being that maybe this is not Kenny Ballad but some other New York obscure Soul-singer, with maybe a solitary 45 to his name. So listen to why the eminent-doyens of the sound find it necessary to discuss in depth, this superlative ballad. Horace Ott conducted horns recoil as the impressive vocal grapples with the despairing lyrics, sympathetically soothed by a Gospel-inspired Sister-choruses. As Kenny B. vocal cracks, squeaks and begs as he pleads to “be free”, those horns respectfully purr away in the background. Top-Drawer Deep Soul - it don’t get any better or obscurer than this Windsor King production. Flip it over to encounter a potential Northern Soul “Funk-infused” monster.. But the ballad-side is so impressive - my enthusiasm for Northern Soul offering has been dampened. So very RARE and rightly deserving of the focused worldwide discussion.. Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 111.00 Unknown Girl Group Spellbound As far as we know this New York 10” acetate is unissued, so if you’re the type of DJ who covets exclusives - look no further - click the 100% Northern Soul soundfile and prepare to be dazzled by this superior version of The Poppies album-ONLY recording. We got lucky when this “exclusive” came back to us in a deal with a man who’s DJ explotites have taken him off on a more Funky journey, as he turns his back on distilled-Northern Soul, for ventures new… This is undiluted Proper Girl-Group Northern that I would like to tell you more about - when we first sold it in the early part of the century we did uncover with some help who the artist was…this info has unfortunately left me over the ensuing years… What we can say without contradiction, is the lead vocal on this recording, is a swoon-worthy voice of an Angel, an alluring siren that instantly hooks you into multiple needle-drops. Perfect Northern Soul for the dancefloor; as most-all will remember the Poppies version from their Cleethorpes Pier - Wigan Casino days.. and these mystery girls do it up - even sweeter! Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 234.00 E. J. & The Echoes Put A Smile On Your Face / People Say Stock copy junkies, we think you’ve been adequatey looked after this week - So how about the equally “ill” white Demo buffs. Our files reveal this is a tough one to find - especially with two totally perfect labels and neat clean vinyl. But this listing is so much more than just a label vista…this tune has grown in reputation beyond all recognition in recent years as the pleading mid-tempo is now an acceptable “drop” at the more-astute venues… Click the sound file and prepare for a real-Soul experience from Detroit’s E. J. Gronda and the boys; This lush production, where every participant is deeply conveying the pain…an anguished Manny Holcolm lead, enriched by 3 part harmony & the compulsory soothing girl choruses; with a rhythmic guitar shaping the mood. That works just as well for the absorbed dance-floor shuffler, as it does for the Soul armchair-activist. Spectacularly Soulful, strutting this page in its rarely witnessed attire… Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 110.00 Du Shons You Better Think It Over C/w Take These Chains (from My Heart) A truly stand-out Chicago Northern Soul girl group killer, that just does not turn up for sale, in this current century; especially in this flawless condition! Burgess Gardner & Chuck Bernard team up to write & produce steamrollering Northern Soul, that rattled the foundations of Wigan Casino and the stanchions of the fabled Cleethorpes Pier. Those blaring horns sending extra ripples out into the North Sea, as the stampede for floor-space triggered by those invading horns and the intrusive low-blow burping Sax. This is a Northern Soul Oldie screaming to replace Sam & Kitty as the 15 times a weekend play.. is it because even the alternative 2nd “Down To Earth” press is also elusive, that this just does not get the NS turntable time it so obviously justifies. Click the soundfile and await Real-Deal Northern Soul benefiting from a “no- corners-cut” FULL-ON floorshaking production, lacerated by ear-piercing bad-attitude ladies. Sweet Soul harmony aficionados, you need to check out the dreamily soulful flipside. That same beseeching lead vocal, cradled by a team of male vocals doo-da-da-wopping away in the background. The horns have been tamed, adding a befitting sorrowful atmosphere to such a poignant song. Two killer sides - with the topside a strong candidate for this years belated renaissance of The Wigan & Cleethorpes neglected tunes. Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 344.00 Powerhouse You Turn Me On C/w Classy, rare and totally infectious, Illinois indie. This 1980 Soulful Dance groove has the power to pull you into its slow-burn atmosphere, as the swirling keyboard jells the contagious rhythm. Lead vocal uses just enough attitude keeping it smoothly flowing, until a deliciously pitched vocal-group harmony joins. Slow-burn indeed, as this Funk infused dancer surges on with wave of horns, chorus and an ever increasingly exuberant lead vocal, prompted by compelling guitar picking.. Love this the more I hear it - this really is a tune that creeps under your skin. The flipside doesn’t disappoint either - as the sax-man leads with a mellow intro into an inviting mid-paced stroller using all the ingredients of the a-side. Tight harmonies, sultry saxophone headline in another finely crafted recording Two great sides, with the a-side perfectly fitting today’s tight criteria for dance-floor acceptance.. Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 72.00 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Labeat Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Frank Beverly, 3K, Look listen and swoon ..... I did do, flat on the floor! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Winsford Soul Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Would like to know more about spellbound. Love that tune . For the record the poppies version did see a 45 release as a b side to pain in my heart on the red vinyl boot Steve 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Phil Shields Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) missed the Groovettes anyone got a copy for sale cash waiting SORTED Edited April 6, 2015 by phil shields Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Popular Post solidhit Posted March 18, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2015 Am I the only person here to believe the Rouser release of Frankie Beverly is some sort of later reissue? 4 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tony Smith Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 The day Otis Busch went on, I bought a copy off Anglo-American, mint, labels correct way round for £25 go figure? There was also a Cha-Cha copy on for £40, though when i went back later it had gone. 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tony Smith Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Am I the only person here to believe the Rouser release of Frankie Beverly is some sort of later reissue? Not sure about that, but the truncated sax solo kind of ruins it! 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
solidhit Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Not sure about that, but the truncated sax solo kind of ruins it! The Rouser label has the Fairmount release number on it. Tommy Rouse gets a credit on the label, probably for editing the sax solo. There's just something very fishy about the whole thing. My hunch is that the record sold poorly on Fairmount and when Frankie was down in the DC area performing met up with Tommy Rouse who offered to press up and distribute his own version of the record, not fully understanding whether it was legal to do so or not. Also, it abbreviates QuakerTown to QT, which I doubt the original QuakerTown producers would have approved of. 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jerry Hipkiss Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 The Rouser label has the Fairmount release number on it. Tommy Rouse gets a credit on the label, probably for editing the sax solo. There's just something very fishy about the whole thing. My hunch is that the record sold poorly on Fairmount and when Frankie was down in the DC area performing met up with Tommy Rouse who offered to press up and distribute his own version of the record, not fully understanding whether it was legal to do so or not. Also, it abbreviates QuakerTown to QT, which I doubt the original QuakerTown producers would have approved of. Been saying something similar for years Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
solidhit Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Surely the Dushons is a relatively common record! There are at least a dozen copies listed at collectorsfrenzy. Cheapest on Down to Earth at $18 and the most expensive on Go Gate at $133. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Am I the only person here to believe the Rouser release of Frankie Beverly is some sort of later reissue?no anyone with half a brain knows it's a later release..I'll edit that...it's got a fair mount number so should be self explanatory .. plus it's edited... no offence to the original poster Edited March 18, 2015 by dave pinch 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dean Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 ? Ray Pollard £680. Is this a new twist, watching a "near mint" on eBay finished a couple of week ago, for just about double £1232.12? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Frankie Crocker Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Copy of Terrible Tom sold for a fraction of this on eBay a fortnight ago, go figure. Intrigued by the Frank Beverly story - why have so few turned up and are there others awaiting discovery? 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 ? Ray Pollard £680. Is this a new twist, watching a "near mint" on eBay finished a couple of week ago, for just about double £1232.12? That was almost certainly some kind of scam, there were two RP demos on ebay at the same time, both ended, and then well guess what, one of them turned up again on ebay yesterday as a buy it now! 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Bo Diddley Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Re Rouser - The El Corols "Chick" version on Rouser also has the edited start. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 No mention of Dushons.? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 No mention of Dushons.? Apart from post 10 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Apart from post 10 Ooops missed that. 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Popular Post Dave Thorley Posted March 19, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2015 I know this isn't gonna make some very happy, but as far as I can tell from people involved back in the day many of the Rouser releases are in effect local bootlegs. I spoke to the leader of The El Corols a few years ago, who had no idea how it ended up on that label as he owned the rights and had never done a deal with Tommy Rouse. As far as he was concerned Tina was the only legit release. 7 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest johnny hart Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Stoned Me ! £189 ! JM and his tireless team have been vocal ,and instrumental in championing the Green and White demos [always preffered Green and clears myself].So much so, E,bay "Dolly dealers"have elevated such abominations as "Funky music Sho Nuff etc" and Heaven help us all [indeed!] to mythical price status,["Yes but they are all equally rare EMI made 200 of them". In the case Of Jean Mary and Cindys Frank produced Kenny Samoht [Reverse it],written ,Motown Memory from1970 its good but neary £200 worth of goodness? This was the 2.49 min version, the ones to have are: US long/short red demo, US motown Yesteryear issue,Spanish demo piccy sleeve at 4 minutes plus to accomodate the baroque orchestral prelude and middle eight sax break at a modest £15 to £30? Or like me, you could still get the elongated orig ,before QC chopped itup, on MFP . LP5042 at a coy 89p [Discogs now]! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Quinvy Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Worlds most expensive bootleg. And it's not as good as the Fairmount release. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest nickic Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Can't believe what the supremes green and white made... I sold mine a few weeks ago for little more than a tenner! No worries.. I'm just jealous.. Just checked it was £8.50 now I'm more green than the demo! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Theresa Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 June 2008 simple explanation from Manship to Jerry Hipkiss # 13 Manship explaining the Rouser press was taken off a rejected Fairmount masterplate fully 8 years ago 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Labeat Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 June 2008 simple explanation from Manship to Jerry Hipkiss # 13 Manship explaining the Rouser press was taken off a rejected Fairmount masterplate fully 8 years ago Thats it then.... Quote.... "The Rouser copy certainly isn't before Fairmount". Good research Theresa! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Andy Rix Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I know this isn't gonna make some very happy, but as far as I can tell from people involved back in the day many of the Rouser releases are in effect local bootlegs. I spoke to the leader of The El Corols a few years ago, who had no idea how it ended up on that label as he owned the rights and had never done a deal with Tommy Rouse. As far as he was concerned Tina was the only legit release. and many years ago when I was talking to Bobby Allen, the trumpet player for Shrine, and a member of the El Corols he told me Frank Beverley's uncle was also a member which would probably account for the connection Andy 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 June 2008 simple explanation from Manship to Jerry Hipkiss # 13 Manship explaining the Rouser press was taken off a rejected Fairmount masterplate fully 8 years ago Doesn't make sense, if it's an unreleased Fairmount take it's not going to have it's own master apart from a tape so it wouldn't have a catalogue number. They don't make a master disc for every take otherwise there would be a thousand of every Beatles song etc. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter Richer Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 June 2008 simple explanation from Manship to Jerry Hipkiss # 13 Manship explaining the Rouser press was taken off a rejected Fairmount masterplate fully 8 years ago "Fully eight years ago" ... err, am I missing something here?!? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jerry Hipkiss Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I think Theresa was referring to that thread being almost eight years old... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter Richer Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 ... actually, less than seven years. It didn't make a whole lot of difference (or even any) to the point which was being made, but when discussing an issue involving accuracy it doesn't help with credibility to get other facts wrong. Also, I was left wondering whether there was a second Rouser pressing, which was made eight years ago, from the master plates. A little pedantic, I know. But I'm sure everybody in the world has been told a million and a half times not to exaggerate. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sutty Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Doesn't make sense, if it's an unreleased Fairmount take it's not going to have it's own master apart from a tape so it wouldn't have a catalogue number. They don't make a master disc for every take otherwise there would be a thousand of every Beatles song etc. Well, I don't know zilch about the actual history of this record as such, but reading between the lines, it is possible that the first take made it as far as the cutting/master plate stage, and was then abandoned in favour of another non-edited take which was released on Fairmount. The rejected Fairmount plate then sat 'somewhere' unused, possibly someone took it away with them. This then found it's way to someone else, who didn't have any rights or tapes, and used that master to press up his Rouser 45's and changed the label and some details, put his own name on to pass it off as his release, but couldn't change the catalogue number as it was embedded in the metal master. cheers Sutty Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) Here we go again, guesswork and speculation. Make it up as we go along…. Thomas Rouse was a DC promotor, it's widely accepted that Fairmount came first (Beverly had already had a record on Fairmount before this (She kissed me), Rouser came second, but there probably wasn't a great time difference between the two. I'd say less than a year. Whether the Rouser issue was licensed or not - we don't know and maybe someone should ask Frankie Beverly before his memory goes. There may well be a logical explanation for a local or second issue on Rouser in DC. As for the El Corols Rouser release being a bootleg - that record was about a year later than "Because of my heart" (Jan 67 for Frankie Beverly). Tiny Records was the label of one of the band members Tiny Barge, again there may have been an agreement for Rouser too also press it up. My tuppence worth, we just don't know for sure (yet!) so lets not make it up guys (and gals). Edited March 19, 2015 by Steve G Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Frankie Crocker Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Worlds most expensive bootleg. And it's not as good as the Fairmount release. or another by him on Gamble or Sassy... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sutty Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 agreed, but there are 2 questions aren't there? (1) why does the Rouser release share the Fairmount release number? the Rouser press used previously but unused at the time Fairmount metal plates. It cuts a lot of time and cost out of a small pressing run to not have to recut and redo metal masters. I owned the rights to a release and owned the tapes and the master plates. someone licensed it for Spain, I sent the metals, as in addition to savings, you know the cut is what you want, then they pressed and put new labels on. Pretty standard at the time, duplicating masters was also relatively economic, it's the cut and production of the 1st master that was the bigger cost. (2) was the master used legally? don't have an answer but put forward a possible scenario that may well be wrong, cheers Sutty Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Theresa Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Sorry, I did mean the explanation appeared on a thread 8 years ago! Lol. Typed in a blonde fashion ;) 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Well, I don't know zilch about the actual history of this record as such, but reading between the lines, it is possible that the first take made it as far as the cutting/master plate stage, and was then abandoned in favour of another non-edited take which was released on Fairmount. The rejected Fairmount plate then sat 'somewhere' unused, possibly someone took it away with them. This then found it's way to someone else, who didn't have any rights or tapes, and used that master to press up his Rouser 45's and changed the label and some details, put his own name on to pass it off as his release, but couldn't change the catalogue number as it was embedded in the metal master. cheers Sutty Seems it could be another tax "scam".? Take the first take plates,press them up on another label,claim tax back on production costs...pure speculation..... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Sorry, I did mean the explanation appeared on a thread 8 years ago! Lol. Typed in a blonde fashion ;) Yes Tee but it doesn't really explain things….. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter Richer Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Sorry, I did mean the explanation appeared on a thread 8 years ago! Lol. Typed in a blonde fashion ;) Yes Tee but it doesn't really explain things….. And, it is still less than seven years! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Theresa Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Look, I live in the Midlands now, how can I be expected to count properly when everyone here has a different number of fingers? ;) 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Look, I live in the Midlands now, how can I be expected to count properly when everyone here has a different number of fingers? ;) And some of them are webbed. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Roburt Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Seeing as facts are being disputed concerning another 45 just sold on this auction ...... ..... thought I'd add my twopenny worth .......... RE: Groovettes Think It Over Baby / Ain't A Thing You Can Do About It Philadelphia boy, Billy Jackson’s brief flirt with California Soul gave birth to one of the most-wanted .... Billy Jackson had nothing to do with this recording. It was Philly's Gene Dozier who had been using Billy's name since he had moved to Detroit a while earlier. This was Gene's first record session after relocating to the LA area. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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