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How does anyone actually prove this is a legal reissue?  I remember it coming out in '75 with Brothers, Sisters & Cousins, both at the same time, but as you know, nobody cared where they came from in those days.

p.s. reissue £35 off me, legal or not :-)

 

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16 minutes ago, Pete S said:

How does anyone actually prove this is a legal reissue?  I remember it coming out in '75 with Brothers, Sisters & Cousins, both at the same time, but as you know, nobody cared where they came from in those days.

p.s. reissue £35 off me, legal or not :-)

 

Richard Brooks told me that it was repressed by the label, because the first run sold out, he also had both pressings at his house.

 

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6 minutes ago, Dave Thorley said:

Richard Brooks told me that it was repressed by the label, because the first run sold out, he also had both pressings at his house.

 

Should I know who Richard Brooks is?

I was serious! LOL

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Yes as it has been written extensively about him being a founding member of The Impressions, a member of The Brooks Brothers and the lead vocalist and writer of Bits & Pieces. Only two weeks ago there was a an obituary to his brother Arthur Brooks of all the same groups as he died

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2 minutes ago, Dave Thorley said:

Yes as it has been written extensively about him being a founding member of The Impressions, a member of The Brooks Brothers and the lead vocalist and writer of Bits & Pieces. Only two weeks ago there was a an obituary to his brother Arthur Brooks of all the same groups as he died

But he didn't own Nasco records and probably had fuck all to do with what they pressed or didn't press

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1 minute ago, Pete S said:

But he didn't own Nasco records and probably had fuck all to do with what they pressed or didn't press

Very true Pete, but he would know what or wasn't pressed as he would get paid on a second pressing run as the artists and the writer

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Just now, Dave Thorley said:

Very true Pete, but he would know what or wasn't pressed as he would get paid on a second pressing run as the artists and the writer

If they told him!

This pressing has three separate stamps so I guess they are legit, seems like a lot of trouble to go to otherwise

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1 minute ago, Dave Thorley said:

You win Pete, he clearly lied when he told me he knew

Well you always hear of these artists who say they never got any royalties or never even knew their record had been released

 

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26 minutes ago, Pete S said:

Well you always hear of these artists who say they never got any royalties or never even knew their record had been released

 

Again agree Pete, but having met him I can tell you he is a sharp operator and little gets past him. Lastly Nasco did use  silver and black design for other releases so it is plausible that it could appear on both designs. Here is the larks 45

 

 

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44 minutes ago, Pete S said:

Doesn't really make sense though, because they still kept pressing records on the coloured logo label but just these two are black and silver

The coloured logo label is a proper USA release. 

The black and silver label will be a special press for export to the UK Northern Soul Scene.

In the 1970's, Northern Soul dealers were going to the label owners of recent USA releases, that had become popular on the Northern Scene, and getting them to repress for this market.

 

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12 minutes ago, solidsoul said:

The coloured logo label is a proper USA release. 

The black and silver label will be a special press for export to the UK Northern Soul Scene.

In the 1970's, Northern Soul dealers were going to the label owners of recent USA releases, that had become popular on the Northern Scene, and getting them to repress for this market.

 

Er...I know. I remember!  What I'm saying is...who knows for sure about some of these records, whether they were licensed or not?  

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5 minutes ago, Pete S said:

Er...I know. I remember!  What I'm saying is...who knows for sure about some of these records, whether they were licensed or not?  

Well my view is it doesn't matter if they were licensed or not. 

If they were made at the time for USA record buying public, they are originals.

If they are a special product, made at a later date for a specialist market like the Northern Soul scene, they are not originals.

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Here you chaps, straight from the horses mouth (metaphorically speaking)

Into the 1970’s Richard and Arthur formed a new group that included their cousin John Haserarig, two sisters Veronica and Joann Skillern and their cousin Shirley Dial. This new ensemble was called ‘Brother Sisters and Cousins.
In 1973 Richard the groups lead singer took a demo tape of their material to the Nashboro studios in Nashville. A deal was signed and the Brother Sisters and Cousins initial release ‘Sinner (Have You Been There)/Smoke Stream appeared on Nashboro’s, subsidiary label Nasco (029) with ‘Sinner (Have You Been There)’ becoming a local hit in and around the Nashville area.
A reputed dispute with a group of a similar name led to the Brothers, Sisters and Cousins then changing their name to ‘Bits And Pieces’. As Bits And Pieces they recorded a follow up release ‘Did I Scare You/Smoke Stream’ (Nasco 031) in late 1973.
In 1974 Nasco again released the popular ‘Sinner (Have You Been There)’ this time featuring ‘Keep On Running Away’ (Nasco 033) as the flipside. Richard was responsible for writing all of the groups Nasco sides, all of which were heavily imported into the UK, as new releases to find great appreciation with both the Northern and Modern Soul scene’s of the early 70’s and beyond with ‘Keep On Running Away’ being a current popular reactivation today.
Following the eventual demise of the Nashboro group in the mid 70’s, Bits and Pieces all went their separate ways

 

If some of the members on this site spent more time perusing the articles section, than they do debating which has-been played what piece of pop shite at Wigan then they might be a tad more knowledgeable. This quote is not directed at anyone person but is being used as a generalization. The information is out there just go and find it !!!!!

Dave

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2 minutes ago, Louise said:

Here you chaps, straight from the horses mouth (matabhorically speaking)

Into the 1970’s Richard and Arthur formed a new group that included their cousin John Haserarig, two sisters Veronica and Joann Skillern and their cousin Shirley Dial. This new ensemble was called ‘Brother Sisters and Cousins.
In 1973 Richard the groups lead singer took a demo tape of their material to the Nashboro studios in Nashville. A deal was signed and the Brother Sisters and Cousins initial release ‘Sinner (Have You Been There)/Smoke Stream appeared on Nashboro’s, subsidiary label Nasco (029) with ‘Sinner (Have You Been There)’ becoming a local hit in and around the Nashville area.
A reputed dispute with a group of a similar name led to the Brothers, Sisters and Cousins then changing their name to ‘Bits And Pieces’. As Bits And Pieces they recorded a follow up release ‘Did I Scare You/Smoke Stream’ (Nasco 031) in late 1973.
In 1974 Nasco again released the popular ‘Sinner (Have You Been There)’ this time featuring ‘Keep On Running Away’ (Nasco 033) as the flipside. Richard was responsible for writing all of the groups Nasco sides, all of which were heavily imported into the UK, as new releases to find great appreciation with both the Northern and Modern Soul scene’s of the early 70’s and beyond with ‘Keep On Running Away’ being a current popular reactivation today.
Following the eventual demise of the Nashboro group in the mid 70’s, Bits and Pieces all went their separate ways

 

If some of the members on this site spent more time perusing the articles section, than they do debating which has-been played what piece of pop shite at Wigan then they might be a tad more knowledgeable. This quote is not directed at anyone person but is being used as a generalization. The information is out there just go and find it !!!!!

Dave

Well thats all very well but is the black and silver one an official release?  :wink:

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Just so's you know, Mr. Anderson said they purchased all the stock from Nasco and re-ordered a couple of times (hence the black/silver ones) and sold between 500 and 1000 copies.

So my reissue just went up to £50...

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So as I understand it....both label versions are legitimate in the sense that they were both issued by the label, but the black and silver design was done after the coloured label to meet demand for further copies ?

Wouldn't our American cousins just refer to this as "first and second press" as opposed to "original and reissue" ?

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1 hour ago, Andy Mac said:

So as I understand it....both label versions are legitimate in the sense that they were both issued by the label, but the black and silver design was done after the coloured label to meet demand for further copies ?

Wouldn't our American cousins just refer to this as "first and second press" as opposed to "original and reissue" ?

Yes!

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7 hours ago, Andy Mac said:

So as I understand it....both label versions are legitimate in the sense that they were both issued by the label, but the black and silver design was done after the coloured label to meet demand for further copies ?

 

The first design label with the colours was made for sale to the USA record buying public.  This was it's proper release. This one counts!

The later black and silver press was a Special Pressing for the Northern Soul Scene and not available as a general release.  So it's not even a reissue, because it was never issued anywhere!

 

 

 

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Apart from the copies Soul Bowl had Global sold 600 copies of Keep On Running Away and 400 of Smoke Screen. I ordered these from a place in New Jersey that use to get indie label records for us. These were all on the coloured label version, I never ordered any more copies so never had the plain label Bits and Pieces.

Packed with the records was a fairly thick catalogue of all the other records available from Nashboro. There was a lot of Gospel and Blues LPs as well as the Soul releases from the last few years. I think they also had a golden oldie singles listing. It was fairly clear that they put a lot of emphasis on promoting their back catalogue so probably were quite willing to press up anything a customer wanted. I can't be sure but it seems likely that a re-press would be done on the plain label used for oldies.

As to the price today I suppose it's all down to demand but £150 for a record that must have been around in the thousands seems crazy, but what do I know. There must be loads of similar records from the same era that are just as good but go for a tenner. 

Rick

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About 20 years ago at a car boot sale I found an Emidisc with The International GTOs on one side and Bits & Pieces on the other. I didn't think it would be rare enough to warrant an Emi. Saying that, I know at the time, Pete Lawson & Keith Bradley would "do requests" from people and sell them at a fiver a throw.

 

Paul 

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17 hours ago, solidsoul said:

The first design label with the colours was made for sale to the USA record buying public.  This was it's proper release. This one counts!

The later black and silver press was a Special Pressing for the Northern Soul Scene and not available as a general release.  So it's not even a reissue, because it was never issued anywhere!

 

 

Not sure where you get this interpretation from ? Nothing in the comments suggests this is a "special pressing for the Northern Soul Scene" or "its was never issued anywhere".

According to Dave T : "Richard Brooks told me that it was repressed by the label, because the first run sold out, he also had both pressings at his house. "

According to Dave W: "...groups Nasco sides, all of which were heavily imported into the UK, as new releases to find great appreciation with both the Northern and Modern Soul scene’s of the early 70’s"

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16 hours ago, Rick Cooper said:

Apart from the copies Soul Bowl had Global sold 600 copies of Keep On Running Away and 400 of Smoke Screen. I ordered these from a place in New Jersey that use to get indie label records for us. These were all on the coloured label version, I never ordered any more copies so never had the plain label Bits and Pieces.

Packed with the records was a fairly thick catalogue of all the other records available from Nashboro. There was a lot of Gospel and Blues LPs as well as the Soul releases from the last few years. I think they also had a golden oldie singles listing. It was fairly clear that they put a lot of emphasis on promoting their back catalogue so probably were quite willing to press up anything a customer wanted. I can't be sure but it seems likely that a re-press would be done on the plain label used for oldies.

As to the price today I suppose it's all down to demand but £150 for a record that must have been around in the thousands seems crazy, but what do I know. There must be loads of similar records from the same era that are just as good but go for a tenner. 

Rick

I can verify this (not that I need to, Rick worked there so he should know) as a customer of Global at the time I ordered, probably  a 25 count box of these and they were the coloured label. I remember they sold reasonably quickly and tried to re order, however Global had sold out. I seem to recall having to wait around 6 weeks to get more, I thought that these also came from Global but Ricks post implies that this couldn't have been the case, anyhow, wherever they came from, these copies were on the plain label.

Because of the time scale between the two variants appearing on the market it seems reasonable, and not at all unusual that two pressing runs were done , the second run is in my opinion is definitely legit, done to satisfy demand. I also seem to recall (again after 40years I may be wrong) that they came in Nasco company sleeves which would make the bootleg theory highly improbable.

Two label imprints ? again not all unusual, many mainstream pop chart records at this time would have a variety of label designs.

Today the price differential of approx £100 between the two is imo impossible to justify, I think we will just have to accept its one of the many strange things that occur in the name of collecting (records being only one example)

JF

 

 

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The problem came as so many re-issues and boots were around at this time. Colored label first....plain later.....original coloured.? At the time yes......same sort of thing with Charles Diamond.......many called this a boot.....or re-issue.

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