Still Diggin Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Have I become paranoid about boots, or is it a couple of lucky ones!. The reason I say this a seller in Japan has a copy up on there which is resting on three other 45s, if you look closely the one on the bottom is also Earl White Jr. The copy I have had since the mid eightees would appear to be a slightly deeper color, sharper text, and the both letters p and b within the text are a bit more fat. I know the record comes up for sale occasionally, but what do you folks think? Andy 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Swifty Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) 5 minutes ago, still diggin said: Have I become paranoid about boots, or is it a couple of lucky ones!. The reason I say this a seller in Japan has a copy up on there which is resting on three other 45s, if you look closely the one on the bottom is also Earl White Jr. The copy I have had since the mid eightees would appear to be a slightly deeper color, sharper text, and the both letters p and b within the text are a bit more fat. I know the record comes up for sale occasionally, but what do you folks think? Andy Was it the geezer selling Innersection ? because it didn't look right to me , had one years ago ( Soul Pack ) but looked iffy to me maybe just the scan , not accusing anybody of anything here ! Paranoid Swifty Edited February 4, 2016 by SWIFTY Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Dewhirst Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 And so the counterfeit paranoia begins............ Ian D 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Still Diggin Posted February 4, 2016 Author Share Posted February 4, 2016 Yep, that's the fellow Swifty. And yes I had my doubts about that 45 too!. I am not accusing anyone either, but if things go on and we all keep our mouth shut, and they do turn out to be bad eggs, it will just escalate. I appreciate your reply. Andy 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dazz Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 What do you guys think about the Chubby Checker too? looks on the piss to me with the text running out to dare I say dot matrix style? 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
SHEFFSOUL Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 have you a link to the sale/auction? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dazz Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Try this HERE Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon T Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 2 hours ago, Dazz said: What do you guys think about the Chubby Checker too? looks on the piss to me with the text running out to dare I say dot matrix style? That 'scan' is fine - C 965 B1 > H, plus the 'grip' edge 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon T Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 3 hours ago, still diggin said: Have I become paranoid about boots, or is it a couple of lucky ones!. The reason I say this a seller in Japan has a copy up on there which is resting on three other 45s, if you look closely the one on the bottom is also Earl White Jr. The copy I have had since the mid eightees would appear to be a slightly deeper color, sharper text, and the both letters p and b within the text are a bit more fat. I know the record comes up for sale occasionally, but what do you folks think? Andy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon T Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 3 hours ago, SWIFTY said: 3 hours ago, SWIFTY said: 16 minutes ago, simon t said: 18 minutes ago, simon t said: Was it the geezer selling Innersection ? because it didn't look right to me , had one years ago ( Soul Pack ) but looked iffy to me maybe just the scan , not accusing anybody of anything here ! Paranoid Swifty Was it the geezer selling Innersection ? because it didn't look right to me , had one years ago ( Soul Pack ) but looked iffy to me maybe just the scan , not accusing anybody of anything here ! Paranoid Swifty I know the Central Intelligence Agency are close but not as the ones on his label 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon T Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 3 hours ago, still diggin said: Have I become paranoid about boots, or is it a couple of lucky ones!. The reason I say this a seller in Japan has a copy up on there which is resting on three other 45s, if you look closely the one on the bottom is also Earl White Jr. The copy I have had since the mid eightees would appear to be a slightly deeper color, sharper text, and the both letters p and b within the text are a bit more fat. I know the record comes up for sale occasionally, but what do you folks think? Andy Ask the seller what's 'written' in the run out of the EWJ Also, "top tips", when scanning / photocopying a label to stick on a 'carver' 1. do it in colour 2. remember when you print it out to allow for shrinkage. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russ Vickers Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Ok apologies if Im missing something here, but can we have a straight up answer as to whether these are dodgy or not....youre talking in tongues lol Russ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sebastian Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 1 hour ago, Russ Vickers said: Ok apologies if Im missing something here, but can we have a straight up answer as to whether these are dodgy or not....youre talking in tongues lol Russ Well, that Al Alonzo Wilson 45 is definitely a bootleg/carver. Just look at it, the label is totally wrong. 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Swifty Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 8 minutes ago, Sebastian said: Well, that Al Alonzo Wilson 45 is definitely a bootleg/carver. Just look at it, the label is totally wrong. What do you reckon on Innersection Seb ? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/The-innersection-Let-me-love-yuh-Rare-modern-soul-45-Double-Sider-im-debt-to-u-/321992320409?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=unxIzHIEkldVLzXwYq95Y1HON0U%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 6 minutes ago, Sebastian said: Well, that Al Alonzo Wilson 45 is definitely a bootleg/carver. Just look at it, the label is totally wrong. I agree just checked my copy. Nasty. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jason S Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 2 minutes ago, SWIFTY said: What do you reckon on Innersection Seb ? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/The-innersection-Let-me-love-yuh-Rare-modern-soul-45-Double-Sider-im-debt-to-u-/321992320409?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=unxIzHIEkldVLzXwYq95Y1HON0U%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc Looks moody as hell too. The writer credits are across to the side too much on the boot. As well as all the other alarm bells! 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sebastian Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, SWIFTY said: What do you reckon on Innersection Seb ? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/The-innersection-Let-me-love-yuh-Rare-modern-soul-45-Double-Sider-im-debt-to-u-/321992320409?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=unxIzHIEkldVLzXwYq95Y1HON0U%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc That one looks 100% wrong as well. Wrong typeface etc. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Swifty Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 mmm.. and some poor Bugga has paid £484 for it Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 31 minutes ago, SWIFTY said: What do you reckon on Innersection Seb ? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/The-innersection-Let-me-love-yuh-Rare-modern-soul-45-Double-Sider-im-debt-to-u-/321992320409?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=unxIzHIEkldVLzXwYq95Y1HON0U%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc the typeface and the vinyl look totally different to mine 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 yeh that al wilson and earl white look moody as fook Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kjw Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I'm sure there are some old threads on here relating to this seller - isn't it the same person who Darren Brown had an issue with over a copy of Mr Soul. There was something about the seller being French but has an Ebay account listed in Japan Apologies if I'm wrong Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Harrogatesoul Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 11 hours ago, still diggin said: Have I become paranoid about boots, or is it a couple of lucky ones!. The reason I say this a seller in Japan has a copy up on there which is resting on three other 45s, if you look closely the one on the bottom is also Earl White Jr. The copy I have had since the mid eightees would appear to be a slightly deeper color, sharper text, and the both letters p and b within the text are a bit more fat. I know the record comes up for sale occasionally, but what do you folks think? Andy Its not paranoia though now is it Andy? Are we going to be seeing new counterfeits on a regular basis out to clearly deceive punters? The punter who has paid $700 for Innersection for Instance... Al Wilson and earl white ain't going to be going cheap are they? I know we joke about soul police but ..... 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Innersection another boot. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jim G Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 First pic of Innersection is the one one Ebay, the other two are from past sales on Popsike. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Swifty Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 5 minutes ago, jim g said: First pic of Innersection is the one one Ebay, the other two are from past sales on Popsike. Absolute BOOT then Jim , apart from just the look the font is different , as you can easily see with 'R' Swifty 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Julianb Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Intro 0.11 on one copy and 0.13 on the other. Do these have any significance? 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Dewhirst Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 12 hours ago, Ian Dewhirst said: And so the counterfeit paranoia begins............ Ian D I take that back. Something dodgy happening there for sure. Ian D 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Swifty Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 13 minutes ago, JulianB said: Intro 0.11 on one copy and 0.13 on the other. Do these have any significance? Thinks it's because the scans are of both sides mate Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kjw Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Here's the old thread 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sebastian Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Earl White Jr. is also 100% definitely a bootleg in case anyone is still unsure. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Julianb Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 1 hour ago, SWIFTY said: Thinks it's because the scans are of both sides mate Should have gone to Specsavers! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Swifty Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Just now, JulianB said: Should have gone to Specsavers! Me to Julian because I was just about to reply with 'Well spotted that man!" and just about to send , then noticed they were different sides lol !! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Julianb Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 10 hours ago, simon t said: That 'scan' is fine - C 965 B1 > H, plus the 'grip' edge To my eyes the 'ADVANCE PROMOTION COPY' doesn't seem to be on the same horizontal plane as the title and Cameo Parkway which seems a bit strange as the others I've seen + issue copies are all 'level' 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Samplat Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 The centre on chubby checker doesn't look to have the dip in it. It just looks flat in the picture. There's one on uk eBay where you can actually see the dip 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dazz Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 3 hours ago, JulianB said: To my eyes the 'ADVANCE PROMOTION COPY' doesn't seem to be on the same horizontal plane as the title and Cameo Parkway which seems a bit strange as the others I've seen + issue copies are all 'level' That's what I was saying Julian "looks like its on the piss" and with the confirmations on his other sales, don't think I'd want to be involved with the Chubby Checker either and as we all now know the grip rings are bootlegable too. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Julianb Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 5 minutes ago, Dazz said: That's what I was saying Julian "looks like its on the piss" and with the confirmations on his other sales, don't think I'd want to be involved with the Chubby Checker either and as we all now know the grip rings are bootlegable too. It's strange this because the deadwax markings look OK and are the same as my issue copy but the label just doesn't look right Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Milliontearsoul Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) Sorry to say that this is absolutely not a Japan seller...... TAKE CARE ! He is from Marseille in France ! This is the one who ripped off an English customer few years ago with a black copy of MR. SOUL on GENUINE......never received ! Edited February 6, 2016 by milliontearsoul 3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 21 hours ago, simon t said: He's got two copies of EWJ there one on the top and one on the bottom.... ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Still Diggin Posted February 5, 2016 Author Share Posted February 5, 2016 7 minutes ago, Dave Fleming said: He's got two copies of EWJ there one on the top and one on the bottom.... ? If you read my opening post you will notice that was one of the alarm bells that rang! but well spotted Dave. So it looks as if the soul-source detective agency has detected another boot, of which we seem powerless to do anything about Andy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tsu Tomatoes Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Is this legit? I've no idea what the matrix is on a real one, but this looks super clean, especially for a New Orleans 45 https://www.ebay.com/itm/SEX-Wonders-Of-The-World-ITS-YOU-Rare-N-O-Modern-Soul-45-SUPER-CITY-70115-/321456192484?hash=item4ad8483be4:g:KJUAAOSwbqpTvBNB Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Ivor Jones Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 23 hours ago, simon t said: 100% Boot……..I think the most obvious thing here is the "C" in Special and the "G" in Girl. If you look at them properly, they're both slightly larger than the rest of the letters. As stated earlier the colour is all wrong too….. I wonder how many people have been mugged off already ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 9 hours ago, Ivor Jones said: 100% Boot……..I think the most obvious thing here is the "C" in Special and the "G" in Girl. If you look at them properly, they're both slightly larger than the rest of the letters. As stated earlier the colour is all wrong too….. I wonder how many people have been mugged off already ? It's a rum business these days isn't it Ivor. I feel so sorry for the younger collectors getting ripped off with this crap by scum. 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Soulskate70 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Quote I'm no expert on Soul 45's, but I've worked in typography and print production for nearly 30 years and have to say the above comments are 100% correct. Even if you take into account the tolerance of movement on a printing press no label would print with the credits hanging from the bottom. It looks to me like someone has scanned the original label, then tried to replace letters etc with a certain lack of skill. The size and kerning are way off..... Not sure if it's just the photo, but it doesn't look like it was printed on any litho or letterpress machine..... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Swifty Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 (edited) $700 Dollars at the moment somebody's gonna be a bit pissed off me thinks !! Edited February 6, 2016 by SWIFTY Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Harrogatesoul Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 1 hour ago, SWIFTY said: $700 Dollars at the moment somebody's gonna be a bit pissed off me thinks !! I did report the items with detail but you know little or nothing will be done. Fingers crossed though. I really don't want to see someone mugged off for $$$$$. However knowledge is king and it is out there to avoid such calamities. 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Ivor Jones Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 13 minutes ago, harrogatesoul said: I did report the items with detail but you know little or nothing will be done. Fingers crossed though. I really don't want to see someone mugged off for $$$$$. However knowledge is king and it is out there to avoid such calamities. What happens if people bid on these things but then don't end up coming through with the payment? I've never done it myself but do you end up with negative feedback ? I mean if you ended up the high bidder and then refused to pay up on the grounds that it was a counterfeit item,surely you would not get penalised would you ? Obviously, if he's got multiple copies of these boots then he's gonna offer these to the next highest bidders and you cant really stop that happening I think, however, if the Auction winners kept refusing to honour the winning bids on grounds of the items being counterfeit then surely,ebay would have to acknowledge what is happening here wouldnt they ? Just a thought on making things difficult for the crooks……. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Swifty Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 I can't believe that if somebody is prepared to pay that sort of dosh that they don't actually know what they're doing , if you know what I mean. I'm no expert at all but have been around long enough to know how to check things out , bloody mental really ! Swifty Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Andyd68 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 26 minutes ago, harrogatesoul said: I did report the items with detail but you know little or nothing will be done. Fingers crossed though. I really don't want to see someone mugged off for $$$$$. However knowledge is king and it is out there to avoid such calamities. All the bids are (private listing - bidders' identities protected ) including wining bid and this was for the intersection single as well,is this the seller hoping someone jumps in or what ? can't be coincident. Andy 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Swifty Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Noticed that Andy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Milliontearsoul Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) The guy is on SS too , see my recent profile visitors......he's from Paris now ! Edited February 7, 2016 by milliontearsoul 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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