Crossover Top 100

[Chris Turnbull]

On 26/03/2016 at 02:21, Ivor Jones said:

This should be in there Chris….. (Elvin Spencer - Lift this Hurt on Twinight)

Good shout Ivor, though the grittier Winner version gets my vote. Also on Twinight of course Annette Poindexter 'Wayward Dream', and the brilliant Notations 'A new day', arguably as good an example of the crossover sound as you would find 

 

[Chris Turnbull]

On 25/03/2016 at 18:24, Peter99 said:

You can't argue with Belita Woods (Magic Corner) though - has that had a mention yet?

Bang on Peter, that would be well up in a top 100 IMO 

[Peter99]

And what about Almeta Lattimore? That's a banger of a crossover record in my book. Sublime.

 

[Chris Turnbull]

On 26/03/2016 at 12:28, Mike Lofthouse said:

Re. Donald Lee Richardson - A good example of how 'Crossover' manifests itself for me from the period identified late 60's early 70's.....the A side is 'Crossover' to my ears b/w with a traditional storming stomper......

I would add to that tunes like The Attractions 'New girl in the neighbourhood' (Bell), the wonderful Jimmy Dotson 'Heartbreak Avenue' (Mercury), and Leon Haywood 'Consider the source' (Capitol), which of course has had lots of plays while not adhering to a traditional dance blueprint and should probably make a top 100

[Chris Turnbull]

On 25/03/2016 at 18:46, Peter99 said:

One more from me before I pop out. The mighty Bobby Womack - Tried and Convicted. 

Definitely top 100 for me, also the sublime 'More than I can stand' 

 

[Peter99]

4 minutes ago, Chris Turnbull said:

Definitely top 100 for me, also the sublime 'More than I can stand' 

 

Ave it!

[Chris Turnbull]

8 minutes ago, Peter99 said:

And what about Almeta Lattimore? That's a banger of a crossover record in my book. Sublime.

 

Loved it since Parkers Manchester early 90's - wouldn't have had it down as crossover necessarily but a brilliant record 

[Chris Turnbull]

18 hours ago, Hooker1951 said:

Some of the tunes mentioned on this thread Iwould term crossover but many I wouldn't I suppose everybody has there own interpretation of crossover mine is the productions that have a jazzy cabaret feel about them.I suppose you could say a more sanitised version of soul. it's not for me but neither is Country n Western

ML

Re. jazzy cabaret feel, how about something like Shelley Fisher's brilliant version of 'Girl I love you' (Dalya) - starts off fairly unpromisingly but shifts gear and ends up truly soulful - one of my absolute faves

 

 

[Chris Turnbull]

22 hours ago, Ivor Jones said:

How about this one.I'd put this up there with Ty Karim in terms of quality. Not really that well known to the majority at the present I would say. So therefore not a contender for the Top 100 but, given time, I think its quality will become more widely recognised. Bizarrely, a 1979 release date but one of two killer tracks on the LP which are clearly much older than the rest of the material.The other earlier track is "Just Don't Love You" which was released earlier as by The Carbon Copies[rare one on 45]. The Carbon Copies features singer Jewell Bass,not sure whether this track is the same vocalist but whoever it is,she's fantastic ! See what you think if you don't know it…...

Great stuff Ivor - very Voices of East Harlem

[Chris Turnbull]

On 26/03/2016 at 08:22, Louise said:

A contender for the top 100 crossover sounds ever would surely be:

The Chimes    "The Beginning Of My Life"  Down To Earth

Although not as sought after as it more illustious stable mate The Kings Of Soul, this little cheapy in value (but high in musical quality) has continued to be a perinnial favourite.

Dave

Was thinking of this one myself - typical of that dreamy, floaty, slightly hippy kind of sound a lot of crossover stuff has. Came home with a bag full from Chicago in the late 90's thinking I'd found some super rarity but as you say only a cheapie

On 26/03/2016 at 09:14, Kegsy said:

Ok what we have in terms of Crossover is a particular "sound", maybe or maybe not from a certain period of time 68-72 say.

Once upon a time there was an underground allnighter scene that played QUALITY Soul music that was danceable, included in this scene were records that would fit, sound wise, if not time wise, into what is now called Crossover;

Sapphires     Gotta Have Your Love

Du-ettes       Every Beat Of My Heart

Formations   At the Top of The Stairs  

and dare I say

Edwin Starr   I Have Faith In You

Later the scene adopted a more uptempo style and sometimes the Soul element was sacrificed and Northern Soul was "born". After a while certain D.J.s decided many soul records were being missed, due to the obsession with all things uptempo, and started playing QUALITY mid-tempo danceable soul, and the scene found it's original roots again.   Simples !

 

That's a really interesting post and I can see where you are coming from 

 

[Chris Turnbull]

22 hours ago, Ivor Jones said:

Another one for the top 100 Chris I reckon ? (J.P Robinson - Our day is here (Blue Candle)

Great stuff Ivor, had forgotten this one

Didn't know Vibrations, nice tune but too 'modern' to be crossover for me 

[Chris Turnbull]

A few more Top 100 contenders for me that I don't think anyone else has mentioned:-

Dynells - Call on me / Let me prove that I love you (Atco)

Freddie Hughes - I just found out (Janus)

Freddie Hughes - I gotta keep my bluff in (Wand)

(also love his 'Will you be here' on Janus)

Bobby Hutton - Lonely in love (Phillips)

L J Reynolds - All I need (Lady)

(also his 'Let one hurt do' on Law-Ton)

Doris Troy - Face up to the truth (Capitol)

Walter Jackson - My one chance to make it (Okeh)

J J Barnes - Got to get rid of you (Volt)

Paul Thompson - Special kind of woman (Volt)

Epsilons - The Echo (Stax)

Poor Boy & the Orphans - I know she loves me (Butch's Thang)

Cam Cameron - They Say (Capri)

Reggie Soul - My world of Ecstacy (Capri)

J R Bailey - Love won't wear off (Calla)

Rance Allen - I know a man who (Gospel Truth)

Ollie Nightingale - I don't know why I love you (Memphis) 

[Peter99]

1 hour ago, Chris Turnbull said:

A few more Top 100 contenders for me that I don't think anyone else has mentioned:-

Dynells - Call on me / Let me prove that I love you (Atco)

Freddie Hughes - I just found out (Janus)

Freddie Hughes - I gotta keep my bluff in (Wand)

(also love his 'Will you be here' on Janus)

Bobby Hutton - Lonely in love (Phillips)

L J Reynolds - All I need (Lady)

(also his 'Let one hurt do' on Law-Ton)

Doris Troy - Face up to the truth (Capitol)

Walter Jackson - My one chance to make it (Okeh)

J J Barnes - Got to get rid of you (Volt)

Paul Thompson - Special kind of woman (Volt)

Epsilons - The Echo (Stax)

Poor Boy & the Orphans - I know she loves me (Butch's Thang)

Cam Cameron - They Say (Capri)

Reggie Soul - My world of Ecstacy (Capri)

J R Bailey - Love won't wear off (Calla)

Rance Allen - I know a man who (Gospel Truth)

Ollie Nightingale - I don't know why I love you (Memphis) 

Now you're just being greedy Chris. 

[Soulman58]

Would the following be classed as crossover or modern?

You Can't Blame Me - Johnson, Hawkins, Tatum & Durr

 

 

 

[Chris Turnbull]

2 hours ago, Peter99 said:

Now you're just being greedy Chris. 

Lol even that little list on its own would make a great night 

[Guest Ivor Jones]

5 hours ago, Chris Turnbull said:

Good shout Ivor, though the grittier Winner version gets my vote.

I'm not playing anymore…..I've got the hump now.

[Guest Ivor Jones]

For me, this is one of the best ever. Crossover ? I reckon so. I suppose for some, because its not rare, its of no interest but can you imagine the fuss they'd make if it was a super rarity ? Dig those funky colour suits. I think 'd go for the green one if I had the choice. I 'd probably end up looking like a leprechaun though ! That wouldn't be very cool would it….

 

[Guest Ivor Jones]

Or this one, another massive personal fave and big with the old London 2 step crowd. Another that personally, I would include in the Crossover chart. Some will disagree but for me it has the lot. Available on 45 [Curtom in 1973] if you don't know,however,its the LP you need for the full Trombone-tastic mix featured here. Oh Lordy…..What a tune !

 

[Guest]

On 25/03/2016 at 11:30, Chris Turnbull said:

Had forgotten 'What good am I' in particular, would deffo make a top 100 IMO in terms of most played, most loved, etc

 

Yes but "What Good Am I"  by The TSU Toronadoes always been a Northern Soul record, so why does it need the new label of crossover????  

That goes for all the other 70's Northern Soul records this topic is calling crossover? 

I can see the point in calling records Crossover that are relatively unknown and have not been played on the Northern Scene, but not the ones that are already excepted as Northern records and get played in Northern Soul venues.

Whats wrong with calling them Northern Soul?

Edited March 28, 2016 by Guest

[Chalky]

7 minutes ago, solidsoul said:

Yes but "What Good Am I"  by The TSU Toronadoes always been a Northern Soul record, so why does it need the new label of crossover????  

That goes for all the other 70's Northern Soul records this topic is calling crossover? 

I can see the point in calling records crossover that are relatively unknown and have not been played on the Northern Scene, but not the ones that are already excepted as Northern records and get played in Northern Soul venues.

Whats wrong with calling them Northern Soul?

A lot of the track labelled crossover were IMO done so by dealers to cash in on an in demand genre.  Many of those listed I wouldn't call crossover as I understand it.

[Chris Turnbull]

28 minutes ago, solidsoul said:

Yes but "What Good Am I"  by The TSU Toronadoes always been a Northern Soul record, so why does it need the new label of crossover????  

It isn't a new label, I've been calling it a crossover record since I first heard it 25 years ago - if you were calling it northern soul before that or any other time then good luck to you 

[Chris Turnbull]

1 hour ago, Ivor Jones said:

For me, this is one of the best ever. Crossover ? I reckon so. I suppose for some, because its not rare, its of no interest but can you imagine the fuss they'd make if it was a super rarity ? Dig those funky colour suits. I think 'd go for the green one if I had the choice. I 'd probably end up looking like a leprechaun though ! That wouldn't be very cool would it….

 

Love this one as well. from a couple of years earlier

 

 

[Soul Discovery]

Crossover Please.....

Dee Dee Warwick “You tore my wall down” (Soul Junction) 7

SY Hightower  “I wonder why”

Lee Shot Williams “It ain’t me” (UA) 7’

Bobby Shannon - You're An Uplift (To-Mar) 7

Ray Hines - Why Don't You Give Me A Try (RNH) 7’

Laureda Holloway  “Show me” (Kool) 7’

The Imperial Wonders Trying To Get To You” (Dark Prince) 7’

Neal Kimble ain't that the truth (Venture) 7’

Herman Hitson - You Can´t Keep A Good Man Down” (Sweet Rose) 

The Contributors Of Soul You Can't Help But Fall In Love (TAD) 7’

C Alexander And The Natural 3 Pay Them No Mind  (GuyJim) 7’  

Out-Of-Sights - My Woman's Love (Saru) 7’

Gene Middleton And The Funk Factory - No One To Love Me 

(Funk Factory)7’

The Holidays - No Greater Love (Golden World) 7’

George Perkins - I'm So Glad You're Mine (Royal Shield 7’

Happiness “Gotta have love” (Affie) 7’

Eddie Smith “I Didn't Realize” (Mellotone) 7’

Exquisite just could't make it (Crow) 7’

[Guest Polyvelts]

Interesting to hear people's ideas of what "crossover" is. I remember hearing Dave Evison play Channel 3 'sweetest thing this side of heaven' on his radio derby show (I even remember it was a request by Jamie Saul RIP) in 1982 and thinking "this is like all those records I got by that bloke Tyrone Davis , wouldn't it be great to hear them played out !! "

Dreams can come true !!

[Sjclement]

Many of Tyrone Davis' Dakar sides fit the bill, 

DAKAR/BRUNSWICK/BRC sides would make a large contribution to the 'Crossover 100'

Heres one for starters

 

[Dayo]

Intrigues - In a moment.

Not sure it was ever played much except as a new release at the Wheel.  But, that's the epitome of crossover-  for me anyway!

Great thread by the way!

 

[Tank]

Don't think it's been mentioned yet?

Bobby Reed The Time Is Right For Love

Dare I also suggest Diane Jenkins Towaway Zone? Played long before the term 'Crossover' was coined. Quite raw in its production considering its year of issue and somewhat out of kilter amongst all the sophisticated Philly, NY & TK 'disco' stuff that was taking off. 

[Jordirip]

This was always a big fav. Not a dancer really though, just class.

 

[Bbrich]

Charlene & the soul serenaders - can you win....

[Soul Discovery]

https://souldiscovery.podomatic.com/entry/2016-04-19T11_46_32-07_00

 
Soul Discovery 
Every Sunday 6.00pm – 8.00pm GMT 
Sky Digital Channel 0129 
www.solarradio.com

The Sound Principle “What the reason(club mix” (Promo) 
Kejam Feat: Terry Harris “2 Can play-players play” (Promo) 
Sarah Lesol “I wish I would’ve listen” (Dream City) 
Castellana “Be mine” (Promo) 
James Day feat: Tony Terry & Lin Rountree “Repertoire (L.O.V.E Project mix)” 
(James Michael Day) 
Gene Washington and the Ironsides “Next to you” (Colemine) 7’ 
The Scott Three “Gotta find a new love” (Soul Junction Promo) 7’ 
Jack Ashford “I’ll fly to your open arms” (Kent) 7’ 
Eddie Parker “Body chains” (Kent) 
Gene Washington and the Ironsides “I still love them all” (Colemine) 7’ 
Sarah Lesol “Love you right” (Dream City) 
Castellana “A man like me” (Promo) 
Lomax “Miss you Baby” (Promo) 
Matthew Winchester “The other side” (Emcee Music Group)

Soul Discovery Crossover Special: 
Sonny Till “Tears and Misery (RCA) 7’ 
Universal Joint “Love wear off (as the wear on)” (Sniff) 7’ 
Happiness “Gotta have love” (Affie) 7’ 
Sonny Allen “Your love is so wonderful” (Hit Pack) 7’ 
Lee ‘Shot’ Williams “It ain’t me” (UN) 7’ 
Betty Fikes & the Passions Prove “Prove it to me” (Southbound) 7’ 
Dee Dee Warwick “You tore my wall down” (Soul Junction) 7’ 
Justic Dept. “Come back baby (to my empty arms)” (Fairplay) 7’ 
Chuck Brooks “You can’t be two places at the same time” (GSF) 7’ 
Chuck Holiday “I still love you” (Gloria) 7” 
James Gadson “Got to find my baby” (Cream) 7’ 
Willie Tee “First taste of hurt” (Gatur) 7’ 
Little Reuben “In the name of loneliness” (New) 7’ 
Billy Harner “I don’t wanna cry” (Match) 7’ 
C. Alexander and the Natural 3 “Someboby special” (Guy Jim) 7’ 
The Scott Three “Running wild (Ain’t gonna help you” (Soul Junction) 7’ 
Soul Brother Inc. That loving feeling” (Commonwealth United) 7’ 
Exquisite “Just could't make it” (Crow) 7' 
Johnny Moore Yesterday, today and tomorrow” (Grapevine) 7’ 
The Original Breed “The prophet” (Karol” 7’ 
Brothers of Soul “I’d be grateful” (Boo) 7’

[Derek Pearson]

My therapist once suggested I might be slightly obsessive and a compulsive list maker. I denied it of course.

Derek x

Constellations - I don't know about you (Gemini Star)

Jackie Wilson - Because of you (Brunswick)

Ruby Andrews - Just loving you (Zodiac)

Unique Blend - Yes I'm in love (Eastbound)

Margie Joseph - One more chance (Volt)

George Hughley - That's why I cry (Buddah)

Bobby Reed - The time is right for love (Bell)

Chuck Cockerham - Have I got a right (Mala)

Willie Pickett - On the stage of life (Eastern)

Virgil Henry - You ain't saying nothing new (Collossus)

Ty Karim - Lightin' up (Romark)

Willie Tee - First taste of hurt (Gatur)

Milton Parker - Women like it harder (Closet)

Richard Caiton - I like to get near you (Uptite)

Guitar Ray - You're gonna wreck my life (Shagg)

Just Bros - Go on and laugh (Butch)

Natural Four - Hanging on to a lie (Boola Boola)

The Differences - Five Minutes (Mon-ca)

Sonny Til - Tears & Misery (RCA)

Willie Hutch - Let's try it over again (RCA)

John Edwards or James Phelps - The look on your face (Bell / Apache)

Buddy Smith - When You Lose The One You Love

Emotions - I Love You But I'll Leave You - Twin Stacks

William bell- man in the street

Darrell Banks 'I'm the one who loves you' (Volt)

philharmonics-I need,i need your love

celeste hardy-you're gone

satin-you're loves got me

Carl Hall - What about you on Columbia

Bobby Sheen   Somehting new to do

Bettye Swann  Kiss my love goodbye,         

Johnny Gilliam - Room full of tears

Willie Tee - Teasin' you again - Gatur

Rhonda Davis - Can you remember – Duke

Flowers For real

Norris Vines  " give in "

Bobby Dukes 'Just to be with you'

Pam Bowies 'He's all I Need' on Aquarious

Fantastics 'Where there's a will' (Impresario)

George Wilson 'Here stands the man who needs you (

Black Circle

)

Buddy Ace 'Pleasing you' (Paula)

Hesitations 'Is this the way to treat a girl' (GWP)

Nate Adams 'Why is it taking so long' (Atlantic)

Colour him Father (either The Winstons or O C Smith's storming LP only)

Charlie Hodges 'Loving you is beautiful'(Calla)

Almeta Latimore these memories

Melvin Davis " you made me over"

jimmy Ruffin I'll never let you get away

Denise Lasalle - Here I am Again

Anne Peebles - If this is Heaven

Bobby McClure - Was it Something I Said?

Quiet Elegance I’m afraid of losing you

Kittie Doswell - Face in the crowd

Nathan Williams - What price

Jaqueline Jones - Frown on my face

Girls - Mark my words

Jo Armstead - Theres not too many more

Lovations - Later baby

Reggie Soul - My world of ecstacy.

Primbrock Skiggs - That was yesterday

James Shorter - Modern day woman

Patti Ward - Girls you have to wait for love

El Shobey - Never missed what you got

Delilah Moore – I’ll just walk away

Gorgeous George "You Can't Stop A Woman" Grapevine 159

Justice Dept..'Come Back(to these empty arms)Fairplay Rec

George Perkins 'I'm so glad your'e mine'

George Jackson 'I found what i wanted'

Stratoliners 'What do you want with my love' (Federal)

Ella Woods 'I need your love' (Merging)

Buddy Conner/Worlds Funkiest Band "When You're Alone"

Ann Sexton "You've Been Gone Too Long"

Lynn Varnado " Wash and Wear Love"

Corey Blake "How Can I Go On Without You"

Bobby Patterson "I'm In Love With You"

Alice Clark "Dont You Care"

Tommie Young "Hit And Run Lover"

Minits "Still A Part Of Me"

Jimmie Ellis - Happy To Be

Little Carl Carlton - Drop By My Place

Bobby Foster - Where Do You Go

Darrow Fletcher…..Its No Mistake

Gloria Shannon "Tears Are Gifts From Heaven"

Jean Battle, I've got to come in.

Willie Bollinger, I Don't have to cry no more.

Don Thomas, How can I help but love you.

Qunestine Strong 'One Hundred years from now

Serena Johnson "All work and no play"

geater Davis - my love is so strong  on house of orange

Gwen McCrae 'Lead me on' (Columbia)

James Fry 'Still around' (Hi)

THE SOUL WALKERS - Can I Say It Again

Soul Bros Inc  Pyramid

Aretha Franklin "Dont Let Me Lose This Dream"

Dee Dee Warwick "Where Is That Rainbow"

Betty Everett "Unlucky Girl"

Dee Dee Warwick "You Tore My Wall Down" [Recent 45 on Soul Junction]

Phillip Mitchell "Just The Beginning" [The original version on Grapevine CD]

Spencer Wiggins "Im At The Breaking Point"

Tommie Young" Thats All A Part Of Loving Him"

Buddy Ace "Pleasing You"

Jim Gilstrap "Run, Run, Run"

Dells "Its All Up To You"

Garland Green "Since You've been Gone"

"The Harlem Clown" - Our Brothers Keeper (King)

"Stop Hurting Me Baby"- Purple Mundi

"All Of A Sudden"- Melvin Moore,   

"Your Love"- Choice Of Colours,   

"I'm Not Ready"- Ujima,   

"Yes I'm In Love With You"- Unique Blend, 

"Gotta Be A Reason"- Bernard Smith,  

"Thank You Baby"- Matt Brown,

Things a Lady Ain't Supposed To Do"- Four Dynamics ,

"I'm So In Love With You"- Gino Washington, 

"There's A Girl Somewhere"- Bobby Rich,

Willie tee Frst taste of hurt

Jimmy Bo Horn, I just cant speak

Richard Caiton, I,d Like to get near you

Chuck Cockerham, Have i got the right

Ty Karim, Lighten up

The United sounds, Think it over baby

Psychodelic Frankie, Puttin you out of my life

Guitar Ray, Your gonna wreck my life

New Sounds, Dont take your love

Bobby Womack  Come L’Amore

Dottie Pearson Bring It Over Baby

Lee "Shot" Williams-It ain't me-UA

and earlier PM release of "It Ain't Me No More"

T.S.U. TORNADOS - I still love you,Got to get through to you or What good am I.

'Please heart, don't break' (

Rampart Street

)

The Charmels   As long As I've  got you 

Johnny Gillam   Find yourself another

Carl Carlton- Dont walk away.

Mel Williams- Sweet girl of mine.

Black & Blue  What have I got (Mercury)

Bobby Womack - Tried and Convicted

Belita Woods Magic Corner (Moira)

The Chimes    "The Beginning Of My Life"  Down To Earth

Elvin Spencer Lift this hurt  (Twinight) &grittier Winner version

Annette Poindexter 'Wayward Dream' (Twinight)

Notations 'A new day' (twinight)

Robert Parker "I Caught You In A Lie"    Nola

Sapphires     Gotta Have Your Love

Du-ettes       Every Beat Of My Heart

Formations   At the Top of The Stairs 

Edwin Starr   I Have Faith In You

Milton & Winston you lied

Emitt long  call me

Lt &soulful dynamics crazy about you baby

Tripplets that man of mine

Sy Hightower leaving me

Leonard aediar dig you baby

Black ess 2000 changes in my life

Donald Lee Richardson Learned my lesson / Palm of hand (Soulsville)

Barbara Lynn "This Is The Thanks I Get"

Barbara Lynn "You're Losing Me"

Barbara Lewis "Thankful For What I Got"

Mary Wells "Dear Lover"

Aretha "I Cant Wait Until I See My Babys Face"

Centuara I Need love

Charles Bradley 'Things We Do For Love'

J.P. Robinson  Our Day Is Here  (Blue Candle)

THE VIBRATIONS - SHAKE IT UP ( CHESS 2151 )

NATE EVANS - MAIN SQUEEZE (Twinight)

Hesitations - Is This the Way To treat a Girl

Vivian Copeland, Chaos

Dee Edwards, I can deal with that

Almeta Lattimore These memories (Mainstream)

The Attractions 'New girl in the neighbourhood' (Bell)

Jimmy Dotson '

Heartbreak Avenue

' (Mercury)

Leon Haywood 'Consider the source' (Capitol)

Bobby Womack ‘More than I can stand’ (Minit)

Shelley Fisher's brilliant version of 'Girl I love you' (Dalya)

Dynells - Call on me / Let me prove that I love you (Atco)

Freddie Hughes - I just found out (Janus)

Freddie Hughes - I gotta keep my bluff in (Wand)also  'Will you be here' on Janus

Bobby Hutton - Lonely in love (Phillips)

L J Reynolds - All I need (Lady)also  'Let one hurt do' on Law-Ton

Doris Troy - Face up to the truth (Capitol)

Walter Jackson - My one chance to make it (Okeh)

J J Barnes - Got to get rid of you (Volt)

Paul Thompson - Special kind of woman (Volt)

Epsilons - The Echo (Stax)

Poor Boy & the Orphans - I know she loves me (Butch's Thang)

Cam Cameron - They Say (Capri)

Reggie Soul - My world of Ecstacy (Capri)

J R Bailey - Love won't wear off (Calla)

Rance Allen - I know a man who (Gospel Truth)

Ollie Nightingale - I don't know why I love you (Memphis)

You Can't Blame Me - Johnson, Hawkins, Tatum & Durr

Dramatics - Whatcha See is Whatcha Get (1972)

NATURAL FOUR Try Love Again (1974)

Since I've Been In Love ~ The Dramatics

Dee Dee Warwick “You tore my wall down” (Soul Junction)

SY Hightower  “I wonder why”

Lee Shot Williams “It ain’t me” (UA)

Bobby Shannon - You're An Uplift (To-Mar)

Ray Hines - Why Don't You Give Me A Try (RNH)

Laureda Holloway  “Show me” (Kool)

The Imperial Wonders Trying To Get To You” (Dark Prince)

Neal Kimble ain't that the truth (Venture)

Herman Hitson - You Can´t Keep A Good Man Down” (Sweet Rose)

The Contributors Of Soul You Can't Help But Fall In Love (TAD)

C Alexander And The Natural 3 Pay Them No Mind  (GuyJim)  

Out-Of-Sights - My Woman's Love (Saru)

Gene Middleton And The Funk Factory - No One To Love Me

(Funk Factory)

The Holidays - No Greater Love (Golden World)

George Perkins - I'm So Glad You're Mine (Royal Shield)

Happiness “Gotta have love” (Affie)

Eddie Smith “I Didn't Realize” (Mellotone)

Exquisite just could't make it (Crow)

Many of Tyrone Davis' Dakar sides fit the bill, DAKAR/BRUNSWICK/BRC sides

Tony Drake  Suddenley  (Brunswick)

Intrigues - In a moment

Bobby Reed The Time Is Right For Love

Diane Jenkins Towaway Zone

Shades Of Brown How Could You Love Him

Charlene & the soul serenaders - can you win

Sonny Till “Tears and Misery (RCA)

Universal Joint “Love wear off (as the wear on)” (Sniff)

Happiness “Gotta have love” (Affie)

Sonny Allen “Your love is so wonderful” (Hit Pack)

Lee ‘Shot’ Williams “It ain’t me” (UN)

Betty Fikes & the Passions Prove “Prove it to me” (Southbound)

Dee Dee Warwick “You tore my wall down” (Soul Junction)

Justic Dept. “Come back baby (to my empty arms)” (Fairplay)

Chuck Brooks “You can’t be two places at the same time” (GSF) 

Chuck Holiday “I still love you” (Gloria)

James Gadson “Got to find my baby” (Cream)

Willie Tee “First taste of hurt” (Gatur)

Little Reuben “In the name of loneliness” (New) 

Billy Harner “I don’t wanna cry” (Match)

C. Alexander and the Natural 3 “Someboby special” (Guy Jim)

The Scott Three “Running wild (Ain’t gonna help you” (Soul Junction) 

Soul Brother Inc. That loving feeling” (Commonwealth United)

Exquisite “Just could't make it” (Crow)

Johnny Moore Yesterday, today and tomorrow” (Grapevine)

The Original Breed “The prophet” (Karol)

Brothers of Soul “I’d be grateful” (Boo)

 

[Derek Pearson]

Once I've had a lie down I'll try and add summat to the list. Phew.

Derek

Be honest now - hands up whose gone through the list going "got, got, not got, got, not got, got........"

[Geeselad]

On ‎23‎/‎03‎/‎2016 at 19:15, Dave Thorley said:

Hi Chris

It's an interesting question, but also as a couple of friends on mine in Germany have said on more than one occasion 'Why do the British need to make list of every thing ?" an equally good question. Also once a list is created, will that mean the prices of these will go through the roof as trophy hunters try to complete the set. Will you start to hear carbon copy sets at venues around the country as those DJ's with little imagination just pluck from the list ?

Finally the worst out come, as some northern promoters already do, imagine walking up to the decks to start your set and some idiot promoter saying 'Top 100 records only please'

 

That all said Johnny Gilliam - Room full of tears, has to be in there

I love looking at lists its fun.

 

[Geeselad]

can I add, Cornelius bros, and sister rose, too late, Gloria Scott, Marcia Hines, Corey Blake. Cant see them elsewhere and all were massive and typify the sound I think Chris has clearly defined. Yeah there are loads of Mecca tunes and modern northern oldies you could add but to my mind that misses the point.

 

[Bbrich]

I dont think i have seen mention of Fantastic Epics - Lets get together. however I have never been able to find out the release date (anyone know?) so may or may not fit the list depending on your definition........   but quality imho.

[Mal C]

Margie Joseph - One more Chance, the perfect crossover record for me.... 

That big list is allot I'll have to look again, come back with some additions, but how's about Midwest Francise on MCA? 

[Stubbsy]

12 hours ago, geeselad said:

can I add, Cornelius bros, and sister rose, too late, Gloria Scott, Marcia Hines, Corey Blake. Cant see them elsewhere and all were massive and typify the sound I think Chris has clearly defined. Yeah there are loads of Mecca tunes and modern northern oldies you could add but to my mind that misses the point.

 

Or John Edwards version if we're talking about "How Can I Go On Without You"!

[Sjclement]

7 The Loser  Eric Lomax definitely crossover imho

(played before the term was coined though)

 

[Triode]

14 hours ago, Derek Pearson said:

My therapist once suggested I might be slightly obsessive and a compulsive list maker. I denied it of course.

Derek x

Constellations - I don't know about you (Gemini Star)

Jackie Wilson - Because of you (Brunswick)

Ruby Andrews - Just loving you (Zodiac)

Unique Blend - Yes I'm in love (Eastbound)

Margie Joseph - One more chance (Volt)

George Hughley - That's why I cry (Buddah)

Bobby Reed - The time is right for love (Bell)

Chuck Cockerham - Have I got a right (Mala)

Willie Pickett - On the stage of life (Eastern)

Virgil Henry - You ain't saying nothing new (Collossus)

Ty Karim - Lightin' up (Romark)

Willie Tee - First taste of hurt (Gatur)

Milton Parker - Women like it harder (Closet)

Richard Caiton - I like to get near you (Uptite)

Guitar Ray - You're gonna wreck my life (Shagg)

Just Bros - Go on and laugh (Butch)

Natural Four - Hanging on to a lie (Boola Boola)

The Differences - Five Minutes (Mon-ca)

Sonny Til - Tears & Misery (RCA)

Willie Hutch - Let's try it over again (RCA)

John Edwards or James Phelps - The look on your face (Bell / Apache)

Buddy Smith - When You Lose The One You Love

Emotions - I Love You But I'll Leave You - Twin Stacks

William bell- man in the street

Darrell Banks 'I'm the one who loves you' (Volt)

philharmonics-I need,i need your love

celeste hardy-you're gone

satin-you're loves got me

Carl Hall - What about you on Columbia

Bobby Sheen   Somehting new to do

Bettye Swann  Kiss my love goodbye,         

Johnny Gilliam - Room full of tears

Willie Tee - Teasin' you again - Gatur

Rhonda Davis - Can you remember – Duke

Flowers For real

Norris Vines  " give in "

Bobby Dukes 'Just to be with you'

Pam Bowies 'He's all I Need' on Aquarious

Fantastics 'Where there's a will' (Impresario)

George Wilson 'Here stands the man who needs you (

Black Circle

)

Buddy Ace 'Pleasing you' (Paula)

Hesitations 'Is this the way to treat a girl' (GWP)

Nate Adams 'Why is it taking so long' (Atlantic)

Colour him Father (either The Winstons or O C Smith's storming LP only)

Charlie Hodges 'Loving you is beautiful'(Calla)

Almeta Latimore these memories

Melvin Davis " you made me over"

jimmy Ruffin I'll never let you get away

Denise Lasalle - Here I am Again

Anne Peebles - If this is Heaven

Bobby McClure - Was it Something I Said?

Quiet Elegance I’m afraid of losing you

Kittie Doswell - Face in the crowd

Nathan Williams - What price

Jaqueline Jones - Frown on my face

Girls - Mark my words

Jo Armstead - Theres not too many more

Lovations - Later baby

Reggie Soul - My world of ecstacy.

Primbrock Skiggs - That was yesterday

James Shorter - Modern day woman

Patti Ward - Girls you have to wait for love

El Shobey - Never missed what you got

Delilah Moore – I’ll just walk away

Gorgeous George "You Can't Stop A Woman" Grapevine 159

Justice Dept..'Come Back(to these empty arms)Fairplay Rec

George Perkins 'I'm so glad your'e mine'

George Jackson 'I found what i wanted'

Stratoliners 'What do you want with my love' (Federal)

Ella Woods 'I need your love' (Merging)

Buddy Conner/Worlds Funkiest Band "When You're Alone"

Ann Sexton "You've Been Gone Too Long"

Lynn Varnado " Wash and Wear Love"

Corey Blake "How Can I Go On Without You"

Bobby Patterson "I'm In Love With You"

Alice Clark "Dont You Care"

Tommie Young "Hit And Run Lover"

Minits "Still A Part Of Me"

Jimmie Ellis - Happy To Be

Little Carl Carlton - Drop By My Place

Bobby Foster - Where Do You Go

Darrow Fletcher…..Its No Mistake

Gloria Shannon "Tears Are Gifts From Heaven"

Jean Battle, I've got to come in.

Willie Bollinger, I Don't have to cry no more.

Don Thomas, How can I help but love you.

Qunestine Strong 'One Hundred years from now

Serena Johnson "All work and no play"

geater Davis - my love is so strong  on house of orange

Gwen McCrae 'Lead me on' (Columbia)

James Fry 'Still around' (Hi)

THE SOUL WALKERS - Can I Say It Again

Soul Bros Inc  Pyramid

Aretha Franklin "Dont Let Me Lose This Dream"

Dee Dee Warwick "Where Is That Rainbow"

Betty Everett "Unlucky Girl"

Dee Dee Warwick "You Tore My Wall Down" [Recent 45 on Soul Junction]

Phillip Mitchell "Just The Beginning" [The original version on Grapevine CD]

Spencer Wiggins "Im At The Breaking Point"

Tommie Young" Thats All A Part Of Loving Him"

Buddy Ace "Pleasing You"

Jim Gilstrap "Run, Run, Run"

Dells "Its All Up To You"

Garland Green "Since You've been Gone"

"The Harlem Clown" - Our Brothers Keeper (King)

"Stop Hurting Me Baby"- Purple Mundi

"All Of A Sudden"- Melvin Moore,   

"Your Love"- Choice Of Colours,   

"I'm Not Ready"- Ujima,   

"Yes I'm In Love With You"- Unique Blend, 

"Gotta Be A Reason"- Bernard Smith,  

"Thank You Baby"- Matt Brown,

Things a Lady Ain't Supposed To Do"- Four Dynamics ,

"I'm So In Love With You"- Gino Washington, 

"There's A Girl Somewhere"- Bobby Rich,

Willie tee Frst taste of hurt

Jimmy Bo Horn, I just cant speak

Richard Caiton, I,d Like to get near you

Chuck Cockerham, Have i got the right

Ty Karim, Lighten up

The United sounds, Think it over baby

Psychodelic Frankie, Puttin you out of my life

Guitar Ray, Your gonna wreck my life

New Sounds, Dont take your love

Bobby Womack  Come L’Amore

Dottie Pearson Bring It Over Baby

Lee "Shot" Williams-It ain't me-UA

and earlier PM release of "It Ain't Me No More"

T.S.U. TORNADOS - I still love you,Got to get through to you or What good am I.

'Please heart, don't break' (

Rampart Street

)

The Charmels   As long As I've  got you 

Johnny Gillam   Find yourself another

Carl Carlton- Dont walk away.

Mel Williams- Sweet girl of mine.

Black & Blue  What have I got (Mercury)

Bobby Womack - Tried and Convicted

Belita Woods Magic Corner (Moira)

The Chimes    "The Beginning Of My Life"  Down To Earth

Elvin Spencer Lift this hurt  (Twinight) &grittier Winner version

Annette Poindexter 'Wayward Dream' (Twinight)

Notations 'A new day' (twinight)

Robert Parker "I Caught You In A Lie"    Nola

Sapphires     Gotta Have Your Love

Du-ettes       Every Beat Of My Heart

Formations   At the Top of The Stairs 

Edwin Starr   I Have Faith In You

Milton & Winston you lied

Emitt long  call me

Lt &soulful dynamics crazy about you baby

Tripplets that man of mine

Sy Hightower leaving me

Leonard aediar dig you baby

Black ess 2000 changes in my life

Donald Lee Richardson Learned my lesson / Palm of hand (Soulsville)

Barbara Lynn "This Is The Thanks I Get"

Barbara Lynn "You're Losing Me"

Barbara Lewis "Thankful For What I Got"

Mary Wells "Dear Lover"

Aretha "I Cant Wait Until I See My Babys Face"

Centuara I Need love

Charles Bradley 'Things We Do For Love'

J.P. Robinson  Our Day Is Here  (Blue Candle)

THE VIBRATIONS - SHAKE IT UP ( CHESS 2151 )

NATE EVANS - MAIN SQUEEZE (Twinight)

Hesitations - Is This the Way To treat a Girl

Vivian Copeland, Chaos

Dee Edwards, I can deal with that

Almeta Lattimore These memories (Mainstream)

The Attractions 'New girl in the neighbourhood' (Bell)

Jimmy Dotson '

Heartbreak Avenue

' (Mercury)

Leon Haywood 'Consider the source' (Capitol)

Bobby Womack ‘More than I can stand’ (Minit)

Shelley Fisher's brilliant version of 'Girl I love you' (Dalya)

Dynells - Call on me / Let me prove that I love you (Atco)

Freddie Hughes - I just found out (Janus)

Freddie Hughes - I gotta keep my bluff in (Wand)also  'Will you be here' on Janus

Bobby Hutton - Lonely in love (Phillips)

L J Reynolds - All I need (Lady)also  'Let one hurt do' on Law-Ton

Doris Troy - Face up to the truth (Capitol)

Walter Jackson - My one chance to make it (Okeh)

J J Barnes - Got to get rid of you (Volt)

Paul Thompson - Special kind of woman (Volt)

Epsilons - The Echo (Stax)

Poor Boy & the Orphans - I know she loves me (Butch's Thang)

Cam Cameron - They Say (Capri)

Reggie Soul - My world of Ecstacy (Capri)

J R Bailey - Love won't wear off (Calla)

Rance Allen - I know a man who (Gospel Truth)

Ollie Nightingale - I don't know why I love you (Memphis)

You Can't Blame Me - Johnson, Hawkins, Tatum & Durr

Dramatics - Whatcha See is Whatcha Get (1972)

NATURAL FOUR Try Love Again (1974)

Since I've Been In Love ~ The Dramatics

Dee Dee Warwick “You tore my wall down” (Soul Junction)

SY Hightower  “I wonder why”

Lee Shot Williams “It ain’t me” (UA)

Bobby Shannon - You're An Uplift (To-Mar)

Ray Hines - Why Don't You Give Me A Try (RNH)

Laureda Holloway  “Show me” (Kool)

The Imperial Wonders Trying To Get To You” (Dark Prince)

Neal Kimble ain't that the truth (Venture)

Herman Hitson - You Can´t Keep A Good Man Down” (Sweet Rose)

The Contributors Of Soul You Can't Help But Fall In Love (TAD)

C Alexander And The Natural 3 Pay Them No Mind  (GuyJim)  

Out-Of-Sights - My Woman's Love (Saru)

Gene Middleton And The Funk Factory - No One To Love Me

(Funk Factory)

The Holidays - No Greater Love (Golden World)

George Perkins - I'm So Glad You're Mine (Royal Shield)

Happiness “Gotta have love” (Affie)

Eddie Smith “I Didn't Realize” (Mellotone)

Exquisite just could't make it (Crow)

Many of Tyrone Davis' Dakar sides fit the bill, DAKAR/BRUNSWICK/BRC sides

Tony Drake  Suddenley  (Brunswick)

Intrigues - In a moment

Bobby Reed The Time Is Right For Love

Diane Jenkins Towaway Zone

Shades Of Brown How Could You Love Him

Charlene & the soul serenaders - can you win

Sonny Till “Tears and Misery (RCA)

Universal Joint “Love wear off (as the wear on)” (Sniff)

Happiness “Gotta have love” (Affie)

Sonny Allen “Your love is so wonderful” (Hit Pack)

Lee ‘Shot’ Williams “It ain’t me” (UN)

Betty Fikes & the Passions Prove “Prove it to me” (Southbound)

Dee Dee Warwick “You tore my wall down” (Soul Junction)

Justic Dept. “Come back baby (to my empty arms)” (Fairplay)

Chuck Brooks “You can’t be two places at the same time” (GSF) 

Chuck Holiday “I still love you” (Gloria)

James Gadson “Got to find my baby” (Cream)

Willie Tee “First taste of hurt” (Gatur)

Little Reuben “In the name of loneliness” (New) 

Billy Harner “I don’t wanna cry” (Match)

C. Alexander and the Natural 3 “Someboby special” (Guy Jim)

The Scott Three “Running wild (Ain’t gonna help you” (Soul Junction) 

Soul Brother Inc. That loving feeling” (Commonwealth United)

Exquisite “Just could't make it” (Crow)

Johnny Moore Yesterday, today and tomorrow” (Grapevine)

The Original Breed “The prophet” (Karol)

Brothers of Soul “I’d be grateful” (Boo)

Bloody fine list of tunes Mr Pearson, I think you nailed it buddy!

hope your well & hopefully see you at Cleggy?

P.J.

 

 

[Russ Vickers]

On 26 March 2016 at 01:34, Mr Fred said:

In my opinion Crossover is a term used to describe a type of soul music that is different to traditional soul, northern soul and Motown that was played from the 60's to the early to mid 70's.It was introduced onto the soul scene at two major venues these being Blackpool Mecca and Cleethorpes pier /Winter gardens around 1973-1975 I would say a good percentage of Crossover records were a more funky type of sound albeit some were mid tempo , Examples of Crossover records are  Brainstorm:- Loving is really my game.  Frankie Crocker:- Ton of Dynamite. Skullsnaps:- I'm your pimp. Babe Ruth:- Elusive. Black Nasty:- Cut your motor off. The Matta Baby:- Do the pearl. Reggie garner:- Hotline. Everyone must have their own interpretation of what constitutes a crossover record.My views are based on actually attending those clubs back then and experiencing the music and the directions the music has taken over the years.

Regards Fred Ward

None of these records are Crossover.

Russ

[Russ Vickers]

Some of the interpretations & examples of Crossover are hilarious & quite obviously, a lot of the people on this thread have no idea what Crossover is.....I think the old adage 'If You have to explain it.....etc' fits very appropriately....

Cheered me up no end.....

Russ

[Russ Vickers]

In my humble opinion Crossover is the bastard child of Northern & Modern Soul - roughly speaking between the years of '68 - '73, although I would argue personally that it extends a little further into the 7ts than that.  It was a period in time when production tequniques were improving, from the raw 6ts sound recordings on 4 track, but before they had become too sophisticated with the dawn of the Philly Sound & Disco.

Like most things, there is an overlap & it is as much about a 'sound' as it is a period in time, thing is, you have to have the ear to recognise it, some of the weird explanations on this thread are frankly laughable, possibly because they are coming from folk who are actually more into Northern Soul, nothing wrong with that, but you cannot listen to Crossover from a purely NS perspective.  There are many, many records that the NS Scene have adopted from the Crossover Scene & jolly good that is too & Im all for it, but a lot of these records prior to the 8ts (stand fast the last hour at the Mecca ?), would never have been considered NS in the traditional sense.

I liken the explanation & understanding of Crossover as a genre of the British Soul Scene, to explaining Northern Soul to someone who knows what soul music is, but has no real idea what NS is, I hope that explanation will help some on the NS Scene to 'get' how difficult & frustarating that can be.

To be fair, Ivor, Dave, Sean & Steve to name but four, have done a great job, but some of the totally off the mark explanations & examples of Crossover on here are plain mumbo jumbo & have no bearing what so ever on Crossover, no wonder people get confused.

Russ x

 

Edited April 21, 2016 by Russ Vickers

[Chris Turnbull]

16 hours ago, Derek Pearson said:

My therapist once suggested I might be slightly obsessive and a compulsive list maker. I denied it of course.

Derek x

Fantastic, thanks Derek - been meaning to do a round up so you have saved me a job 

Constantly thinking of big hitters that haven't been mentioned - Walter Jackson 'Let me come back', Rita Graham 'My cup runneth over', Linda Jones 'What have I done to make you mad', for example

Going back to my original point, in terms of a Top 100 Chart of most played / most loved crossover sounds, what would be No 1?

I would probably still say Constellations 'I don't know about you' - any thoughts?

Cheers, Chris.

[jam66]

I'll have a couple of punts from out of left field. Was Call On Me Bobby Bland played out at the Wheel and such at the time? Lovely Calypso. Or how about the Traamps Scrub-board as the granddaddy of crossover 72 tune played as new and definitely not your 4 to the floor as the rest of the night would be. 

[jam66]

Haven't been out and about for many years and love the 60's pre-500 track mix sound but do like Tyrone Davis' stuff. Maybe this fits, or There It Is too.

 

 

[jam66]

 

[jocko]

What no Buddy Connor, the start and king of crossover for me.

 

That and these, you can say definitive, the end.

 

Bobby Reed - The time is right for love (Bell)

Willie Tee - First taste of hurt (Gatur)

Alice Clark "Dont You Care"

 

Although interestingly other than Buddy Connor the other 3 are played out more than any Northern Oldie, including Frank Wilson, ever was, with little comment or criticism. Interesting,.

[Eddie Hubbard]

Richard Caiton - I see love girl in your eyes ,Moses Smith -Keep on striving , Freddie Hughes - Tonight i'm gonna see my baby ,Clyde McPhatter - Anyone can tell we're in love ,Eric and The Vikings - It's too much to take too long ,George Jackson - I don't have the time to love you ,Eula Cooper -Try ,Syl Johnson - Try my love again ,Belita Woods - Thats how long I'll be loving you ,Bitter and the sweet - I won't have any babies for you , and Richard Marks - Love is gone ....best Eddie

[Baz Coops]

8 hours ago, jam66 said:

 

ITB...only played it out once, more like 60s sweet rare soul to me IMHO.

[jam66]

Shows how much I know Baz