Is Northern Soul Killing Off Soulies?

[Glyn Williams]

well, another spirited debate for you.

Is Northern soul killing off soulies?

Look at whats happened in the past few years, the sad losses of DJ's that weve had who were told to slooow down and didnt.

The soulies who are buggared by dancing just too much like they used to but with legs 30 years older.

I fit into the last category. I'm 43 now even though i look about 53 (and the rest, yeah yeah, heard it all before ) But when i get on the dancefloor i still think im 16 at the casino and totally buggar my knees up.

Last week i had to go for an X-ray on my knees after being unable to walk for two weeks! and i just know that it's down to dancing. I say to myself, "best not dance this week" or "i'll take it steady" but as any soul fan knows, when you are on the floor you just can't. I was back on the floor last weekend like a t*%t.

Now i can't do the splits and flips like i did in my younger days, and to be honest i couldnt be arsed anyway with all that shite but i seem to do more and more intricate footwork to make up for it and thats what doing my knees in.

Now if i'm like this then i can bet lots of others are too. (or is it just me that's the loonie?)

But developments with us losing some of the best DJ's through what amounts to overwork just made me wonder - what's your view you old fart?

Edited October 12, 2006 by soultrader

[Guest]

glyn..

not to mention our hearing..

eh,what..speak up mate..

8=)

bless

jc

the messiah of northern soul

[Guest woolie mark]

i remember 25+ years ago discussing whether years in future we would all drop down dead with lung diseases due to breathing in clouds of talcum powder at niters - i'm constantly amazed how healthy my lungs are considering how much i've smoked over the years!

[Jerry Hipkiss]

i'm constantly amazed how healthy my lungs are considering how much i've smoked over the years!

Likewise...but couldn't it be a case of the dancing keeping some people fit? Who needs a gym anyway?

[Glyn Williams]

well, i gave that up 3 months ago Mark - thanks to Zyban and a healthy fear of death

Funny you should say that - cos i thought mine were healthy lungs too - till i stopped and found out how much better they can be!

give it up mate, you wont regret it

[Wiganer1]

well, i gave that up 3 months ago Mark - thanks to Zyban and a healthy fear of death

Funny you should say that - cos i thought mine were healthy lungs too - till i stopped and found out how much better they can be!

give it up mate, you wont regret it

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my left (spinning) knee has been playing me up this year ,so ive start to practice on the right one..!!!

gotta keep dancing whatever the pain!

[sister dawn]

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my left (spinning) knee has been playing me up this year ,so ive start to practice on the right one..!!!

gotta keep dancing whatever the pain!

had mine done bout 18 months ago... best thing I ever did "now" .... wasnt at the time but things are ok again and the thing works better now than it did before. Keep nurses in the NHS and go get your dodgy knees done... it does the job....

Now all I need is a new heel... buggered it at the Skeg Weekender

[Guest garv]

I think we all know what this scene takes from us both physically & mentally. Its the most wonderful life in many ways but theres a price to pay for our habits, i belive mental problems are very high in the soul world..... depression & a tiping of the balance of what is reallly important.

We all know someone who suffers with depression or has lost a crasp on reality,week in week out there filling a void ( whatever the reason) with & there has to be a crash.Some of us get near the edge ( at some time) & are able to pull back but i see some folks pushing the limit to far.

I was having a similar conversation with a soulie over the weekend about this subject.

Hope this dont sound to drepressing ...... just my opinion

[Rugby Soul Club]

I think we all know what this scene takes from us both physically & mentally. Its the most wonderful life in many ways but theres a price to pay for our habits, i belive mental problems are very high in the soul world..... depression & a tiping of the balance of what is reallly important.

We all know someone who suffers with depression or has lost a crasp on reality,week in week out there filling a void ( whatever the reason) with & there has to be a crash.Some of us get near the edge ( at some time) & are able to pull back but i see some folks pushing the limit to far.

I was having a similar conversation with a soulie over the weekend about this subject.

Hope this dont sound to drepressing ...... just my opinion

I saw you lerking earlier Garv and laughed....I wondered how much you were suffering this week...

I do fine at the weekends but from Monday onwards, it's, oh me knees, back, head (mentally and physically).

Then by Wednesday I'm looking to see where I can escape to this weekend.....

Keep meaning to have a break but so much to do and so little time....

I did wonder a few years back when I got really ill, if it was anything to do with my way of life...

But have now decided that it's the only thing that kept me sane.....

Edited October 12, 2006 by Rugby Soul Club

[Guest SteveJohnston]

I think we all know what this scene takes from us both physically & mentally. Its the most wonderful life in many ways but theres a price to pay for our habits, i belive mental problems are very high in the soul world..... depression & a tiping of the balance of what is reallly important.

We all know someone who suffers with depression or has lost a crasp on reality,week in week out there filling a void ( whatever the reason) with & there has to be a crash.Some of us get near the edge ( at some time) & are able to pull back but i see some folks pushing the limit to far.

I was having a similar conversation with a soulie over the weekend about this subject.

Hope this dont sound to drepressing ...... just my opinion

My old man every time i came home from an allnighter hit me with "tha not reet in yed lad" say no more!

[Guest]

My old man every time i came home from an allnighter hit me with "tha not reet in yed lad" say no more!

PMSL

Think most parents thought that when we were younger, me mum now thinks I'll have a heart attack

........................................ She's probably right

[Guest garv]

I saw you lerking earlier Garv and laughed....I wondered how much you were suffering this week...

I do fine at the weekends but from Monday onwards, it's, oh me knees, back, head (mentally and physically).

Then by Wednesday I'm looking to see where I can escape to this weekend.....

Keep meaning to have a break but so much to do and so little time....

I did wonder a few years back when I got really ill, if it was anything to do with my way of life...

But have now decided that it's the only thing that kept me sane.....

Oh god..... i thought i was going to die on monday , really " enjoyed " the soul life style over the fab weekend....... weekend off me thinks

Edited October 12, 2006 by garv

[Guest soul_hull]

my knees are phuckled (it's my own word, it means.....well you can guess)

currently undergoing blood tests for rhematism in both knees (don't think so myself, i think too much dancing and football).

Incidentally - had blood test other day but nearly forgot. you have to fast for 12 hours before but the night before i cooked a chilli late at night and forgot about the blood test. didn't eat til about 10pm - thought balls to a chilli this latelate, i'll have the two viennese whirls and custard, what i was gonna have for me pudding instead- this is 10 pm, and i'm supposed to be having no sugar etc for the following morning !! do i ever eat at 10pm? very very rarely. do i ever have custard for tea? very rarely - only on nights when i forget i've got a blood-sugar test the following morning - couldn't believe it.

i remembered about half an hour post-custard - which was lovely anyway...

Lied to nurse, who will no doubt think i've got blood sweet enough to rot teeth.

[Winnie :-)]

I think we all know what this scene takes from us both physically & mentally. Its the most wonderful life in many ways but theres a price to pay for our habits, i belive mental problems are very high in the soul world..... depression & a tiping of the balance of what is reallly important.

We all know someone who suffers with depression or has lost a crasp on reality,week in week out there filling a void ( whatever the reason) with & there has to be a crash.Some of us get near the edge ( at some time) & are able to pull back but i see some folks pushing the limit to far.

I was having a similar conversation with a soulie over the weekend about this subject.

Hope this dont sound to drepressing ...... just my opinion

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Not sure what the percentage is, but am positive there is merit in what you've said Garv. I do think some people would use something else if not the northern scene, as a crutch. When things are sh*t it's always there, dance off the frustrations, talk some bollox, people could be doing worse

[Winnie :-)]

I saw you lerking earlier Garv and laughed....I wondered how much you were suffering this week...

I do fine at the weekends but from Monday onwards, it's, oh me knees, back, head (mentally and physically).

Then by Wednesday I'm looking to see where I can escape to this weekend.....

Keep meaning to have a break but so much to do and so little time....

I did wonder a few years back when I got really ill, if it was anything to do with my way of life...

But have now decided that it's the only thing that kept me sane.....

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I have those symptoms most weeks, there's no doubting the scene takes it out of you, but on the other hand, includes a modicum of fitness. Think logically speaking, the older you get the more difficult it becomes to sustain a life on the northern scene

[Guest ang b]

if we were not doing these things wat else is there for us, to sit at a bar & get pickled livers & what ever else in a pub full of teenagers that want to fight every one every wkend, thats not for me id rather do what im doing with all the friends ive made over a long time & feel ive had a good night out

[Winnie :-)]

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QUOTE(ang b @ Oct 12 2006, 03:16 PM) link

if we were not doing these things wat else is there for us, to sit at a bar & get pickled livers & what ever else in a pub full of teenagers that want to fight every one every wkend, thats not for me id rather do what im doing with all the friends ive made over a long time & feel ive had a good night out

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We could collect stamps

Not decrying the scene, I still enjoy it and if going out, would rather go to a northern do than a normal club

[Zed1]

well, another spirited debate for you.

Is Northern soul killing off soulies?

I would say it's the other way round!..... ie 'Soulies' killing of Northern soul!.

Many Venue's have now replaced the Wigan type 100mph stomper with more mid-tempo commercial sounds and 'Safe' Northern which hardly require the body of an athlete to dance to!!..

The only real chance of injuring yourself on the dancefloor these days is if you trip over a Handbag!!!

Edited October 12, 2006 by Teapot

[Guest wAvy]

yep, i agree with what you lot are all saying and i'm in my 30's! i realised that the next day, when my legs were aching, it was because i'm using muscles that i haven't used before (different style of dancing northern soul u'see - like you didn't all kno that!)

my fella's legs ache like mad the next day and he has got a few probs like what some of you's have said i.e. rhumatism (he's in his 40's btw) but he trained (fitness-wise) for years from an early age (19), but now he's stopped, shit's starting to hit the fan for him big time! and like i said, after a soul night - he'll pay for it the next mornin. either that or he's fakin it... "awww, make me a brew - my legs, my leeeeeggggs!", or he'll (try) and reach over for the remote but just can't quite seem to make it and look up at me feeble-like! hmmpppffff! tehehehehe!

wAvy

Edited October 12, 2006 by wAvy

[Guest Andy BB]

Very helpful scene.

Aside from the amazing music it provides an outlet every weekend to escape and get completely bonkered and braindead without upsetting too many people, and without any age restrictions.

I occasionally wonder how far I'd have been promoted and what life would be like if I'd sometimes made it to work on a Monday and didn't fall asleep in meetings on Tuesday's, but the truth is I'd have been driven mad by the sheer normality of corporate bollo*ks if it weren't for the Get Out Of Hell free card the Mod and Soul scenes provide.

Bla Bla bla blaa blaaady bla, bloody hell, sorry.

It's all about priorities and most of us have got them all wonderfully, gloriously wrong.

Good work everyone

[jocko]

I would say it's the other way round!..... ie 'Soulies' killing of Northern soul!.

Many Venue's have now replaced the Wigan type 100mph stomper with more mid-tempo commercial sounds and 'Safe' Northern which hardly require the body of an athlete to dance to!!..

Confused on the more commercial and safe comment but assume from your mid-tempo comment you are decrying the introduction of

more soulful sounds.

At last somebody has finally said it, there is too much soul being played on the Northern SOUL scene,

I finally give in! We need some more soul police on here SOON.

[Winnie :-)]

Very helpful scene.

Aside from the amazing music it provides an outlet every weekend to escape and get completely bonkered and braindead without upsetting too many people, and without any age restrictions.

I occasionally wonder how far I'd have been promoted and what life would be like if I'd sometimes made it to work on a Monday and didn't fall asleep in meetings on Tuesday's, but the truth is I'd have been driven mad by the sheer normality of corporate bollo*ks if it weren't for the Get Out Of Hell free card the Mod and Soul scenes provide.

Bla Bla bla blaa blaaady bla, bloody hell, sorry.

It's all about priorities and most of us have got them all wonderfully, gloriously wrong.

Good work everyone

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Medals in the line of duty next, or is that what the badges represent?

[Winnie :-)]

Confused on the more commercial and safe comment but assume from your mid-tempo comment you are decrying the introduction of

more soulful sounds.

At last somebody has finally said it, there is too much soul being played on the Northern SOUL scene,

I finally give in! We need some more soul police on here SOON.

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Prefer democracy to dictatorship myself

[Zed1]

Confused on the more commercial and safe comment but assume from your mid-tempo comment you are decrying the introduction of

more soulful sounds.

At last somebody has finally said it, there is too much soul being played on the Northern SOUL scene,

I finally give in! We need some more soul police on here SOON.

Likewise confused by your 'comment`........ but we all have different views on what 'you' say is Soulful........ I just happen to prefer the less produced, more uptempo 60s 'Northern' sound.......A sound to which the type of dancing this thread is about was designed for!!.

I will agree with you that there is to much soul about now..... to many venue's chasing to few punters has watered the scene down to a facimile of its former self in an attempt to appeal to as many people as possible........

I also agree with you about the 'Soul Police`.......Perhaps if we had them 30 years ago this disscussion would not be taking place!!

[Chalky]

Likewise confused by your 'comment`........ but we all have different views on what 'you' say is Soulful........ I just happen to prefer the less produced, more uptempo 60s 'Northern' sound.......A sound to which the type of dancing this thread is about was designed for!!.

I will agree with you that there is to much soul about now..... to many venue's chasing to few punters has watered the scene down to a facimile of its former self in an attempt to appeal to as many people as possible........

I also agree with you about the 'Soul Police`.......Perhaps if we had them 30 years ago this disscussion would not be taking place!!

In other words you prefer the pop northern to the soulful northern

[Mak]

well, another spirited debate for you.

Is Northern soul killing off soulies?

Look at whats happened in the past few years, the sad losses of DJ's that weve had who were told to slooow down and didnt.

The soulies who are buggared by dancing just too much like they used to but with legs 30 years older.

I fit into the last category. I'm 43 now even though i look about 53 (and the rest, yeah yeah, heard it all before ) But when i get on the dancefloor i still think im 16 at the casino and totally buggar my knees up.

Last week i had to go for an X-ray on my knees after being unable to walk for two weeks! and i just know that it's down to dancing. I say to myself, "best not dance this week" or "i'll take it steady" but as any soul fan knows, when you are on the floor you just can't. I was back on the floor last weekend like a t*%t.

Now i can't do the splits and flips like i did in my younger days, and to be honest i couldnt be arsed anyway with all that shite but i seem to do more and more intricate footwork to make up for it and thats what doing my knees in.

Now if i'm like this then i can bet lots of others are too. (or is it just me that's the loonie?)

But developments with us losing some of the best DJ's through what amounts to overwork just made me wonder - what's your view you old fart?

You mean you can still do the splits , but you can't get back up again. I'll test you on Friday night

[Winnie :-)]

In other words you prefer the pop northern to the soulful northern

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Only guessing but when he said too much soul about nowadays, think he was referring to the number of nights on, as opposed to soulful content of music? And I know you agree with that as well

[Bazza]

Look at whats happened in the past few years, the sad losses of DJ's that weve had who were told to slooow down and didnt.

The soulies who are buggared by dancing just too much like they used to but with legs 30 years older.

I fit into the last category. I'm 43

Hi Glyn,your only a kid at 43.im 51 .knees kill me, have to have a few pint before I get on the floor to kill the pain.honestly,but I keep going,just stear clear of the valentinos and the like.more of a mid tempo shuffler these days , infact took a liking to R&B for just this reason,dont have to jump about like a lunatic to R&B,well not as much as northern

Bazza

[Billywhizz]

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I have those symptoms most weeks, there's no doubting the scene takes it out of you, but on the other hand, includes a modicum of fitness. Think logically speaking, the older you get the more difficult it becomes to sustain a life on the northern scene

NOPE

[Guest]

Confused on the more commercial and safe comment but assume from your mid-tempo comment you are decrying the introduction of

more soulful sounds.

At last somebody has finally said it, there is too much soul being played on the Northern SOUL scene,

I finally give in! We need some more soul police on here SOON.

Everything back in the good old days was tailored to our cloth but nowadays maybe that cloth is being tailored more to our abilities or whats left of them? 1 stomper an hour is plenty for 45s+ and then a cool off is required, is this the reason perhaps for multitudes of beat ballads entering N/S and the venues becoming re-labeled Rare Soul nights?

[Guest Trevski]

No, quite the opposite, it's keeping us alive

been doing niters etc for 35yrs, and I'm fit as a fiddle, look 10yrs younger than I am, 11 stone, 28" waist, normal blood pressure, lung capacity of a 20yr old,, (or so the doc told me a couple of months ago, despite smoking like the proverbial chimeny)

Never had an ilness, apart from the odd cold, despite tons of the 'white stuff' over the years

If it wasn't for northern, would probably drifted into the 'pub' culture, and been 18 stone, 40" waist, looking 10yrs older, and fucked by now! (Ok so I've got no hair, but you can't have it all )

Edited October 12, 2006 by Trevski

[Guest Matt Male]

I felt my calf muscle go in my left leg while dancing last year, but i refused to hobble off the dancefloor and danced through the pain barrier

Seemed ok after the record finished, until i went on again to Ton of Dynamite.... ouch!

My mum saw me in my shorts the other day and told me i'd got good legs, 'northern soul' i said.

Edited October 12, 2006 by Matt Male

[Chalky]

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Only guessing but when he said too much soul about nowadays, think he was referring to the number of nights on, as opposed to soulful content of music? And I know you agree with that as well

I will agree with that Win, said it for years now

At the end of the day we're dying from the day we are born and we all have to clock out sometime, might as well be to summat we love

[Winnie :-)]

NOPE

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There's always an exception to the rule Billy

[Guest]

No, quite the opposite, it's keeping us alive

been doing niters etc for 35yrs, and I'm fit as a fiddle, look 10yrs younger than I am, 11 stone, 28" waist, normal blood pressure, lung capacity of a 20yr old,, (or so the doc told me a couple of months ago, despite smoking like the proverbial chimeny)

Never had an ilness, apart from the odd cold, despite tons of the 'white stuff' over the years

If it wasn't for northern, would probably drifted into the 'pub' culture, and been 18 stone, 40" waist, looking 10yrs older, and fucked by now! (Ok so I've got no hair, but you can't have it all )

Are they still your OWN teeth Trev?

[Zed1]

No, quite the opposite, it's keeping us alive

been doing niters etc for 35yrs, and I'm fit as a fiddle, look 10yrs younger than I am, 11 stone, 28" waist, normal blood pressure, lung capacity of a 20yr old,, (or so the doc told me a couple of months ago, despite smoking like the proverbial chimeny)

Never had an ilness, apart from the odd cold, despite tons of the 'white stuff' over the years

If it wasn't for northern, would probably drifted into the 'pub' culture, and been 18 stone, 40" waist, looking 10yrs older, and fucked by now! (Ok so I've got no hair, but you can't have it all )

Agreed!.......

. I still want to 'Dance the Dance'.......... trouble is to many venue's music policy tells me I cant!! :angry:

[Guest Trevski]

Are they still your OWN teeth Trev?

Yup, everythings still there, in FULLY working order

Funny that tho', people with false teeth, getting asked 'Are they your own teeth?" course they're their own! they own 'em,bought and paid for, they don't rent 'em do they

Edited October 12, 2006 by Trevski

[Guest]

Agreed!.......

. I still want to 'Dance the Dance'.......... trouble is to many venue's music policy tells me I cant!! :angry:

Yes but can you chew a stake eau naturell? Sorry Soul Police STEAK! Edited October 12, 2006 by Mr M

[Winnie :-)]

No, quite the opposite, it's keeping us alive

been doing niters etc for 35yrs, and I'm fit as a fiddle, look 10yrs younger than I am, 11 stone, 28" waist, normal blood pressure, lung capacity of a 20yr old,, (or so the doc told me a couple of months ago, despite smoking like the proverbial chimeny)

Never had an ilness, apart from the odd cold, despite tons of the 'white stuff' over the years

If it wasn't for northern, would probably drifted into the 'pub' culture, and been 18 stone, 40" waist, looking 10yrs older, and fucked by now! (Ok so I've got no hair, but you can't have it all )

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Make that two exceptions to the rules

[Billywhizz]

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There's always an exception to the rule Billy

I do have my moments Winston, thumbs up across the floor Saturday night. billy

[Guest]

its not soul thats killing anyone off - its the rest of the chosen lifestyle

excessive alchohol, smoking and poor diet does more damage than a snort and a dance over the weekend

we're also forgetting about hereditary illnesses -which if you're gonna get em, you'll get whatever you do

[Madmandy]

its not soul thats killing anyone off - its the rest of the chosen lifestyle

excessive alchohol, smoking and poor diet does more damage than a snort and a dance over the weekend

we're also forgetting about hereditary illnesses -which if you're gonna get em, you'll get whatever you do

I was just thinking how much Im loving being back with the Northern soul scene

and how Im lucky just to have the odd ache and pain now and again.

Dancing is my heart and soul I love it

I dance in my kitchen to my tapes/ cds / vinyl

oldies / underplayed / Rn B /

Never go out locally ( around our village ) too many pissheads and troublemakers in the pubs

I would rather stay at home than not be at a northern do

Health???

Dont smoke ..like a drink but not too much

I think the work will kill me off first ...If only I could give that up!!!!!

Mand the happy soulie

[Winnie :-)]

its not soul thats killing anyone off - its the rest of the chosen lifestyle

excessive alchohol, smoking and poor diet does more damage than a snort and a dance over the weekend

we're also forgetting about hereditary illnesses -which if you're gonna get em, you'll get whatever you do

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Cor I wish all the police were like you Kirst, no wonder you're special

[Glyn Williams]

tony, if i did the splits now i think you'd be carrying me off on a stretcher!! and you wont be able to hear me latest buys tonight

Edited October 13, 2006 by soultrader

[Guest WPaulVanDyk]

if the lot of you all stopped dancing etc cause of your legs who will dance. a floor packed lol. I get cramp in my legs just glad it ain't when i am trying to dance.

There is no killing of soulies not in my opinon and if i see anyone killing someone then yes you seen it a killing soulie. Sorry if my joke is appaling out there