GRANNY Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Hi Anyone in the know? Does anyone know how to tell the original, from the re-issue or boot of N F Porter's "Keep on keeping on", on the USA Lizard label please? Regs. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Release number on LHS of label = 1st Press. Number on RHS of label = 2nd pressing. Boot has no address along bottom of label and has "If I Could Only Be Sure" on flip. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Parker Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Patto Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 ORIGINAL FIRST ISSUE here Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 2nd press ...... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Boot ..... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kev John Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Also original on styrene Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Kev John said: Also original on styrene Not seen that in styrene, all I've had were vinyl, I think I may a Clydie King in styrene nood to check that out. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Parker Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 My Demo is styrene also Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kev John Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 (edited) Both vinyl & Styrene originals have the same run out info ( MR within a circle ) triangle with numbers relating to be pressed in 1971 atb Kev Edited September 10, 2016 by Kev John Date of release wrong Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Millo Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 On 9 September 2016 at 14:59, Patto said: ORIGINAL FIRST ISSUE here This design has now been "repressed" copies for sale on ebay. I got caught but got a full refund. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 On 9/8/2016 at 19:58, WoodButcher said: Release number on LHS of label = 1st Press. Number on RHS of label = 2nd pressing. Boot has no address along bottom of label and has "If I Could Only Be Sure" on flip. Where does that info come from ? Both issues legimate ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Mr Manship's 5th Edition. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kev John Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 (edited) Orig vinyl press dead wax reads Lizard 1010 A 1 within a circle all etched MR within a circle stamped triangle 85954 etched which means pressed October 1971 Edited September 10, 2016 by Kev John Extra info on pressed date Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Patto Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 55 minutes ago, Kev John said: Orig vinyl press dead wax reads Lizard 1010 A 1 within a circle all etched MR within a circle stamped triangle 85954 etched Yep mine has same dead wax marks but mine is as scan on my previous post on vinyl with large rext and number on LHS of label. Was always lead to believe that the large text ones were the first issue. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kev John Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Just now, Patto said: Yep mine has same dead wax marks but mine is as scan on my previous post on vinyl with large rext and number on LHS of label. Was always lead to believe that the large text ones were the first issue. So that means is that both presses are 1st releases & just a difference of label no's on 2 sides of label Patto Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Patto Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Just now, Kev John said: So that means is that both presses are 1st releases & just a difference of label no's on 2 sides of label Patto Looks that way Kev 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kev John Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Just now, Patto said: Looks that way Kev As it's called label variations on here m8 atb Kev 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Same plates , two pressings ... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kev John Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 13 minutes ago, WoodButcher said: Same plates , two pressings ... Well i'm not sure if that's the case there are loads of variations on labels & still classed as an original not 2nd press ! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 3 hours ago, WoodButcher said: Mr Manship's 5th Edition. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 6 minutes ago, Kev John said: Well i'm not sure if that's the case there are loads of variations on labels & still classed as an original not 2nd press ! Without a copy of in each and and a loop to check the deadwax I'd say impossible to answer with any certainty , anyone out there care to photograph their copies ( properly at full res and square on ... RAW file preferred ) so the scratches/stamps can be compared ... ? 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 To be brutally honest ... at the end of the day it's not exactly what you'd call exciting , rare , expensive or hard to find ... in any format ... so not sure it warrants much more sleuthing ... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 1 hour ago, WoodButcher said: To be brutally honest ... at the end of the day it's not exactly what you'd call exciting , rare , expensive or hard to find ... in any format ... so not sure it warrants much more sleuthing ... That's true of course, it does get people dancing though..................... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kev John Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Chris L said: That's true of course, it does get people dancing though..................... And a great FUNK flip side !!! Edited September 10, 2016 by Kev John Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Millo Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 According to JM Edition 5 release number on left hand side is 1st press release number on right hand side is 2nd press. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mike Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 (edited) 10 hours ago, Kev John said: And a great FUNK flip side !!! unfortunately to me damaged by that poor fade in it has and if looking at all aspects of the background, then there is that searling/anderson/joy division cover story from 78.... Edited September 11, 2016 by mike quote Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cover-up Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 15 hours ago, mike said: and if looking at all aspects of the background, then there is that searling/anderson/joy division cover story from 78.... Care to elaborate?! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 18 hours ago, Millo said: According to JM Edition 5 release number on left hand side is 1st press release number on right hand side is 2nd press. Gave all the details in the first reply ... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mike Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 20 hours ago, mike said: unfortunately to me damaged by that poor fade in it has and if looking at all aspects of the background, then there is that searling/anderson/joy division cover story from 78.... 4 hours ago, cover-up said: Care to elaborate?! as with most things not sure of all the details or the validity of what your read elsewhere google does bring up the story, which expands as the yeas pass the wikipedia take Joy Division spent the first week of May 1978 recording at Manchester's Arrow Studios. The band were unhappy with the Grapevine Records head John Anderson's insistence on adding synthesiser into the mix to soften the sound, and asked to be dropped from the contract that they had recently signed with RCA from this site a recent thread, which has some interesting words regarding unreleased Joy Division stuff and John Anderson there are other bits of the story around - a £500 payment for studio time and so on Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Thecivilservice Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Yes apparently they attempted to record keep on keeping on in 1978 but couldn't get it right, they then stole the riff and used it for interzone. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
SHEFFSOUL Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 i always thought the 1st and 2nd pressing info was tosh..the promo has the same layout as the 'supposed' 2nd press..surely a promo would be first press, i reckon both are first press, different plants/runs...ive seen many vinyl issues..styrene less so... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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