Kempy Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Hi all, Can anybody tell me if the Cheatin Kind 45 contained within the Don Gardner double LP has a stamped matrix ? The reason for the question is that I bought one of the sealed afore mentioned LP's and the bonus 45 has a scratched in matrix,the one for sale on here has got me thinking, as it appears to have a stamped matrix. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Julianb Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 The 45 was recently booted on a look a like. This is probably the one with the stamped matrix Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mixedangased Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 14 hours ago, kempy said: Hi all, Can anybody tell me if the Cheatin Kind 45 contained within the Don Gardner double LP has a stamped matrix ? The reason for the question is that I bought one of the sealed afore mentioned LP's and the bonus 45 has a scratched in matrix,the one for sale on here has got me thinking, as it appears to have a stamped matrix. The free disc has scratched in matrix. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Foi Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Mixedangased said: The free disc has scratched in matrix. Think you are right Chris, the 45s that were given away as a limited reissue with the LP (endorsed by D.Gardner) have the matrix scratched in...there was a recent run of boots of this "give away reissue" with a stamped matrix if i remember right......and some people are sellings the "boot" as the "give away reissue"...its a minefield out there! Edited November 20, 2016 by foi 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kempy Posted November 20, 2016 Author Share Posted November 20, 2016 Thanks for the info,as you say collecting is a minefield ! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Zanetti Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 https://www.soul-source.co.uk/forums/topic/361203-don-gardner-cheatin-kind-miss-d-d-phillips-hey-little-girl/#comment-2301565 maybe the reissue does have the scratched matrix ... Yeah its a REAL minefield Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modularman Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 2 hours ago, Zanetti said: https://www.soul-source.co.uk/forums/topic/361203-don-gardner-cheatin-kind-miss-d-d-phillips-hey-little-girl/#comment-2301565 maybe the reissue does have the scratched matrix ... Yeah its a REAL minefield My copy came out of the sealed double LP and has the hand scratched matrix. To confuse matters further the Discogs release page for the boot states that it has a scratched in matrix? Although discogs can be updated by anyone with whatever info they like. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Zanetti Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 15 minutes ago, The Zodiac Club said: My copy came out of the sealed double LP and has the hand scratched matrix. To confuse matters further the Discogs release page for the boot states that it has a scratched in matrix? Although discogs can be updated by anyone with whatever info they like. true. but what i didn´t recognize before: the lbl design is bit different between both pressings. So, for me it isn´t clear which one is the real one and which matrix belongs to the legit and the "Re-Reissue" Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Zanetti Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 check yourself ... you must have the pressing with the lower space between the wax and The S of Sedgrick like me Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Foi Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 (edited) Ive just messaged Tramprecords that sell the official LP with the bonus reissue asking for matrix infom (scratched or machine stamped etc...) so with a bit of luck we might be able to confirm something from an official source? Edited November 20, 2016 by foi 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modularman Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, Zanetti said: check yourself ... you must have the pressing with the lower space between the wax and The S of Sedgrick like me This is my copy which came free and sealed in the LP (hand scratched matrix). If anyone wants to buy the LP with the free official 45, Tramp Records have had a few unsold copies returned from their distributor which you can buy for 35 Euros: https://tramprecords.bandcamp.com/album/the-story-of-don-gardner Edited November 20, 2016 by The Zodiac Club 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Zanetti Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 1 hour ago, foi said: Ive just messaged Tramprecords that sell the official LP with the bonus reissue asking for matrix infom (scratched or machine stamped etc...) so with a bit of luck we might be able to confirm something from an official source? Perfect... Let us know the result. thx for your work Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Stoopdownbaby Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Hello there, I have been told that somebody pressed a bootleg of "Cheatin Kind" by Don Gardner. The 45 was officially re-issued some years back by a german label and was only available as a bonus item of the first 400 copies of the "best of" double-gatefold album titled "The story of Don Gardner". Furthermore I have been told that the album did not sell that well in the first place. This is the reason why copies can be still purchased directly from the label which released it. It is up to you whether you support a bootlegger or a tiny independent label together with Mr. Gardner. Thank you for your time. on behalf of the label (as well as Mr. Don Gardner) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modularman Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 24 minutes ago, princevaliant said: Hello there, I have been told that somebody pressed a bootleg of "Cheatin Kind" by Don Gardner. The 45 was officially re-issued some years back by a german label and was only available as a bonus item of the first 400 copies of the "best of" double-gatefold album titled "The story of Don Gardner". Furthermore I have been told that the album did not sell that well in the first place. This is the reason why copies can be still purchased directly from the label which released it. It is up to you whether you support a bootlegger or a tiny independent label together with Mr. Gardner. Thank you for your time. on behalf of the label (as well as Mr. Don Gardner) Hi, this has been discussed in some length on another thread on this site: https://www.soul-source.co.uk/forums/topic/361222-cheatin-kind/ There seems to be some confusion as to which is the legit release and which is the boot. Can you shed any light if the legit release has a hand scratched matrix in the runout or a stamped matrix? Thanks in advance! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modernsoulsucks Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Last two posts merged into existing topic. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
50 Shades Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 (edited) Why the confusion, anyone that bought the sealed LP with 7" will have the right reissue copy. Scratched matrix. Edited November 23, 2016 by 50 Shades Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Zanetti Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 another guy think that the legit issue does have the stamped matrix ... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Zanetti Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Good night ... Hope for some good news tomorrow Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Zanetti Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 3 hours ago, The Zodiac Club said: This is my copy which came free and sealed in the LP (hand scratched matrix). If anyone wants to buy the LP with the free official 45, Tramp Records have had a few unsold copies returned from their distributor which you can buy for 35 Euros: https://tramprecords.bandcamp.com/album/the-story-of-don-gardner Piuuuuuu ... Looks minimal diff to mine although we got both the hand-scratched issue Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Casino76 Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 (edited) IT was me who brought up the stamped matrix. I didn't buy the sealed LP i bought the record of ebay as the person i bought it off said it was the legitimate issue not knowing about the scratched in matrix and the stamped matrix, so its probably me who is wrong, so it will be interesting to find out. Edited November 27, 2016 by 3b48 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter99 Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 I think you've all answered the question. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cover-up Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Love how the "original re-issue" has two mistakes on the small print at the bottom (Wr. Prod. misses the "&" and "Van leer" should be Vanleer) and the "bootleg of the original re-issue" exactly copies these mistakes. Crazy fools... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modularman Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) 10 hours ago, cover-up said: Edited November 21, 2016 by The Zodiac Club Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Supercorsa Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Think I will avoid this minefield and stick to my Grapevine 2000 copy. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Zanetti Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Think it will be an annoying neverending story: talked to an uk dealer: original Reissue = machine stamped. Hope there will be some more info at long last by TrampRecords ... GETTING EXTREMELY EXHAUSTED ... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kempy Posted November 21, 2016 Author Share Posted November 21, 2016 Is it possible that TrampRecords have done more than the one run of 400 ?-but why the difference with the matrix.Come on you Guys, the one advertised on here can't be the only stamped copy,lets hear from you if your copy is stamped, and came out of a sealed double LP Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Zanetti Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 On 20.11.2016 at 18:42, foi said: Ive just messaged Tramprecords that sell the official LP with the bonus reissue asking for matrix infom (scratched or machine stamped etc...) so with a bit of luck we might be able to confirm something from an official source? Some News ... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Foi Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 13 minutes ago, Zanetti said: Some News ... No news as yet, I did message them but not heard back from them. In saying that im almost 100% sure that two friends who bought quite a few of the LP + bonus singles mentioned that all the 45s had the matrix scratched in. Also, I'm sure there was a topic somewhere about the "legal reissue" being booted very well and having a stamped matrix, and if i remember right the people that were behind all that controversy of the "lookalike originals" months back (ie Billy Woods, Sam Williams etc...) had something to do with it?! dont quite remember when and where though... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter99 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Just now, foi said: No news as yet, I did message them but not heard back from them. In saying that im almost 100% sure that two friends who bought quite a few of the LP + bonus singles mentioned that all the 45s had the matrix scratched in. Also, I'm sure there was a topic somewhere about the "legal reissue" being booted very well and having a stamped matrix, and if i remember right the people that were behind all that controversy of the "lookalike originals" months back (ie Billy Woods, Sam Williams etc...) had something to do with it?! dont quite remember when and where though... From reading the thread the answer seems quite obvious. The limited edition 45 accompanying the album has a scratched matrix and the boot is stamped. Simples. Innit? 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Foi Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Peter99 said: From reading the thread the answer seems quite obvious. The limited edition 45 accompanying the album has a scratched matrix and the boot is stamped. Simples. Innit? It would seem obvious and simple but a collective and definitive answer from people who have bought the record from Tramp records would help confirm whats what with regard to the origins of the each copy and the matrix info (scratched and machine stamped) , it would save a lot of headaches for future buyers and sellers to know what the crack is with the differences... Edited November 22, 2016 by foi Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kempy Posted November 22, 2016 Author Share Posted November 22, 2016 I only asked Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Foi Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) On 21/11/2016 at 00:08, cover-up said: Love how the "original re-issue" has two mistakes on the small print at the bottom (Wr. Prod. misses the "&" and "Van leer" should be Vanleer) and the "bootleg of the original re-issue" exactly copies these mistakes. Crazy fools... Doh missed that post of yours Cover up.... middle aged and not wearing my spectacles! Think that astute observation might more or less clear it up..all the "legit reissues" that came with the LP as a bonus 45 have "Vanleer" as one word...solved I reckon after all! Edited November 22, 2016 by foi Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jamesh Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Just checked mine bought directly from Tramp records. Scratched matrix and Vanleer one word. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Foi Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Yep think it's safe to say we have a definitive way of recognising the legit reissue after all its the smallest details that can help along with people's input...cheers for confirming with your copies Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mart Inc Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 1 hour ago, jamesh said: Just checked mine bought directly from Tramp records. Scratched matrix and Vanleer one word. As above.... bought 3 lps all with bonus 45s.... singles all scratched matrix Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Foi Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 43 minutes ago, mart inc said: As above.... bought 3 lps all with bonus 45s.... singles all scratched matrix cheers for the info mart inc looks very much like we know the score now... legit reissue = Vanleer written as one word on label scratched in matrix bootleg of the legit reissue (both types as there two around by the looks) Vanleer is written as two words i.e. Van leer, and at least one of the boots has the matrix machine stamped. I got a sneaking suspicion that the bootleg with the machine stamp was done by the same people that did the controversial look a like originals months back....(Billy Woods, Sam Williams, Greater Experience, Salvadors etc...) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Casino76 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 So i bought what i thought was the legitimate issue as it was advertised as such, it was a while back as well so i should be within my rights to get a full refund Agreed? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter99 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 2 minutes ago, 3b48 said: So i bought what i thought was the legitimate issue as it was advertised as such, it was a while back as well so i should be within my rights to get a full refund Agreed? Yes if it was sold as legitimate. Who sold it to you? Peter Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Foi Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 5 minutes ago, 3b48 said: So i bought what i thought was the legitimate issue as it was advertised as such, it was a while back as well so i should be within my rights to get a full refund Agreed? Most certainly mate and if you get challenged ask them to show you the LP that came with said bonus 45...if they still have it of course, which they wont as its safe to say now its not the legit reissue i reckon... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Popular Post Stoopdownbaby Posted November 22, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2016 Hello, I just got the confirmation from the label and you guys are right. The legit reissue from Tramp Records has the matrix scratched in and Vanleer is one word. Furthermore they confirmed that there were only 400 pressed which were all sold as a bonus 45 inside the sealed double-gatefold album. They also confirmed that the promotion for this album somehow failed and this is the reason why copies with the bonus 45 are still available from them. They told me to point out that they did not repress it so the copies they are selling are those of the original 400 copies press run. If someone finds out who is responsible for the bootleg feel free and send me a pm. I will forward it to the label then. Thank you for all your help! 4 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modularman Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 10 minutes ago, princevaliant said: Hello, I just got the confirmation from the label and you guys are right. The legit reissue from Tramp Records has the matrix scratched in and Vanleer is one word. Furthermore they confirmed that there were only 400 pressed which were all sold as a bonus 45 inside the sealed double-gatefold album. They also confirmed that the promotion for this album somehow failed and this is the reason why copies with the bonus 45 are still available from them. They told me to point out that they did not repress it so the copies they are selling are those of the original 400 copies press run. If someone finds out who is responsible for the bootleg feel free and send me a pm. I will forward it to the label then. Thank you for all your help! Thank you for confirming - hopefully now the bootleggers will lose a few sales! Some useful info for others to reference in the future Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modularman Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 1 hour ago, 3b48 said: So i bought what i thought was the legitimate issue as it was advertised as such, it was a while back as well so i should be within my rights to get a full refund Agreed? Definatley, completely mis-sold - the seller could have also been duped or they could have been intentionally underhanded. Either way you should get your money back. Good luck! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chatty Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 There's still sellers on e bay describing these boots as official reissues, I've just sent one a message, if we all send a message, they may get the message? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Zanetti Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Zanetti Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Thx for all guys doing such a great work. Now i am enjoying my RE-RE with drinking some shots of Jägermeister Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Okeh Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Like the term original re-issue in one of the previous threads. So here's another minefield, self proclaimed OVO DJ's who play this out mmmmm! I'll put my tin hat on Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter99 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 6 minutes ago, Okeh said: Like the term original re-issue in one of the previous threads. So here's another minefield, self proclaimed OVO DJ's who play this out mmmmm! I'll put my tin hat on Well it's not ovo is it. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Okeh Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 1 minute ago, Peter99 said: Well it's not ovo is it. It sure isn't Peter Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter99 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 6 minutes ago, Okeh said: It sure isn't Peter We're watching em mate! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Okeh Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 1 minute ago, Peter99 said: We're watching em mate! We are mate A true lack of respect to the guys who have got an original Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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