Ian Parker Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) Please put me out of my misery... I've scoured popsike/the web for a definitive answer on what's original and what's not. There seems to be different text on different copies, so which is legit? Edited January 1, 2017 by IanP Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Julianb Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, IanP said: Please put me out of my misery... I've scoured popsike/the web for a definitive answer on what's original and what's not. There seems to be different text on different copies, so which is legit? I don't think this has ever been booted ( unless it's been done recently) so both are originals. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) The white demo has Cragvee and Overcome as the publishers. The original St Lawrence issues are credited to publishers Cragvee and Overcome. The Chess distributed St Lawrance issue's are credited to publishers Cragvee and Overcome. It seems strange that some St Lawrence issues have a grainy look to the label colours, and are pressed from a different master disc than those above, and have Cragvee omited from the publishers credits! Edited January 1, 2017 by Guest Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
The Yank Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Here's a definite original 45 (pre- Chess distribution). Not sure if this has the same text as your copy. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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Chris L Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 11 hours ago, IanP said: Please put me out of my misery... I've scoured popsike/the web for a definitive answer on what's original and what's not. There seems to be different text on different copies, so which is legit? Was never booted, did you see one on Popsike where seller says it's a re-issue or boot ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 All three of these are orginals Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tony Smith Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 As late as 1990 you could still buy this off the stall in Berwick Street for £1.50, I must've bought dozens, god knows how many Tony Rounce, Ady C, had and traded over the years they were working there? 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sunnysoul Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Always wondered that there must be an interesting story to tell about how Jerry Butler got together with two guys out of the Contours to write the song in the first place. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Parker Posted January 2, 2017 Author Share Posted January 2, 2017 Thanks for the photo, Chris. Mine is as per the bottom photo, but only has 'overcome' as publishers Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, Tony Smith said: As late as 1990 you could still buy this off the stall in Berwick Street for £1.50, I must've bought dozens, god knows how many Tony Rounce, Ady C, had and traded over the years they were working there? and thruout the 90s into 2000s was only a staggering £4 or £5..... these were such common records (great as they are).... cant get my head round why it should be 2 figures now to be fair Edited January 2, 2017 by dave pinch Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 26 minutes ago, dave pinch said: and thruout the 90s into 2000s was only a staggering £4 or £5..... these were such common records (great as they are).... cant get my head round why it should be 2 figures now to be fair And yet in 1972 it was quite a rare record. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 1 hour ago, IanP said: Thanks for the photo, Chris. Mine is as per the bottom photo, but only has 'overcome' as publishers Mines the top one, I've had all of them and prefer the bottom one, never like the white one much, but hey-ho as long as it's an original. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 11 hours ago, Chris L said: All three of these are orginals There is also an issue without the Cragvee mentioned on the label. This is the one i think is a bit dodgy. Could have been a early USA bootleg etc. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Chris L said: And yet in 1972 it was quite a rare record. most records were rare and/or undiscovered in 1972 chris Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Parker Posted January 2, 2017 Author Share Posted January 2, 2017 38 minutes ago, solidsoul said: There is also an issue without the Cragvee mentioned on the label. This is the one i think is a bit dodgy. Could have been a early USA bootleg etc. That's mine, not sure why anyone in the States would bootleg an easily available record, but stranger things have happened Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 3 hours ago, solidsoul said: There is also an issue without the Cragvee mentioned on the label. This is the one i think is a bit dodgy. Could have been a early USA bootleg etc. Wouldn't mind seeing a copy of that. Back in about 1998/99 I bought about 10 copies of Johnny Sayles in the US, all were DJ copies and the seller scratched out the "not for sale" text they were originals but has less text on them than regular copies. I'm guessing because of the 1960s chaos to get records pressed standards were not always followed. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tony Smith Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 3 hours ago, IanP said: That's mine, not sure why anyone in the States would bootleg an easily available record, but stranger things have happened Sometimes, if a record looked like hitting in other territories, I guess there would be a rush to get product out to market, hence different plants used, and label variations down to blanks running out etc. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chris L said: Wouldn't mind seeing a copy of that. Back in about 1998/99 I bought about 10 copies of Johnny Sayles in the US, all were DJ copies and the seller scratched out the "not for sale" text they were originals but has less text on them than regular copies. I'm guessing because of the 1960s chaos to get records pressed standards were not always followed. Mamie Galore without Cragvee mentioned as publishers. It was more probable for a hit to be booted in the States , than something that was not selling!! Maybe it was just another pressing plant. But when a proper copy is cheap, why take the risk on this? Edited January 2, 2017 by Guest Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 25 minutes ago, solidsoul said: Mamie Galore without Cragvee mentioned as publishers. It was more probable for a hit to be booted in the States , than something that was not selling!! Maybe it was just another pressing plant. But when a proper copy is cheap, why take the risk on this? I believe the record just made it into the Billboard Top 100 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 6 minutes ago, Chris L said: I believe the record just made it into the Billboard Top 100 It bubbled under at No. 133 April 23rd 1966. I can't find another billboard entry with a quick search, a more thorough one night show something. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, IanP said: That's mine, not sure why anyone in the States would bootleg an easily available record, but stranger things have happened There is a history of bootlegging or should I say counterfeiting in the States of newly released material including Motown top sellers sold as original new stock. Quite a few book mention it. Edited January 2, 2017 by chalky Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Parker Posted January 2, 2017 Author Share Posted January 2, 2017 i wonder if Reuben Howell was one of those Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tony Smith Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 2 hours ago, chalky said: There is a history of bootlegging or should I say counterfeiting in the States of newly released material including Motown top sellers sold as original new stock. Quite a few book mention it. Indeed Raynoma Gordy had "My Guy" pressed when it was a hit Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
paup-ine Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 On 02/01/2017 at 09:05, dave pinch said: and thruout the 90s into 2000s was only a staggering £4 or £5..... these were such common records (great as they are).... cant get my head round why it should be 2 figures now to be fair What does it go for now? P Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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