Hand It Over-Chuck - Kent

[Ady Croasdell]

I seem to remember people saying that a version we used was the wrong one. I've just gone through all our tapes and releases (except the Kent single) and they are all the same. Does anyone know anything else about this? Yours stumped!

[Ady Croasdell]

Just played the Kent single and that sounds the same too

[Only Dreaming]

=Hi Ady. I remember commenting on this many moons ago. The difference was between the version on the "Kent 50" compilation and the version on the original issue on the red/yellow UK Pye release. There was a small difference in the lyrics. One version had "come on baby and give me a kiss, come on baby that's just what I miss" versus the more risqué "come on baby take me for a ride, I know mama this has gotta be the night". Can't remember which version was which but sure someone on here will. 

Dave 

[Mick Holdsworth]

There was definately a different version - Did it get put on a Kent LP, maybe that was it.  I know the UK Inferno release (which in itself was a freebie with an LP compilation) was this different vocal take, this was sometime around 83/84 ish, and thought at the time it was taken from the Kent LP, but it's been so long.

Kent 50, as posted above

Edited February 7, 2017 by Mick Holdsworth

[Pete S]

The very first line is different on a couple of versions - one appears to start with "Will you let me" the other sounds like he says "the way you let me"

[Mick Holdsworth]

 

2 hours ago, ady croasdell said:

Just played the Kent single and that sounds the same too

Just remembered, the B Side to 'Mr Creator' was this different version of 'Hand It Over'. Is this the single you mean, or was it on another release

[Garethx]

The Pye International single is definitely different to the version used by Kent on the "Club Soul" LP from the mid-1980s.

Whether that means it is different to Wand 149 or Wand 169 I don't know. Those both use a Wand master number 50129 if that helps.

[Gointoagogo]

Wand 149, Kent 45 + Inferno 45 all have "The way you let me have" + "come on baby and give me a kiss"

Wand 169 + Pye Int 45's both have "will you let ma have" + "come on baby take me for a ride"

Edited 08/02 - I am totally wrong about the 2 Wand 45's. It now looks as if on these 2 releases it is hit and miss as to which version you get.

Edited February 8, 2017 by gointoagogo
Incorrect information

[Garethx]

Here's the Pye International for reference. 

 

[Pete S]

5 minutes ago, gointoagogo said:

Wand 149, Kent 45 + Inferno 45 all have "The way you let me have" + "come on baby and give me a kiss"

Wand 169 + Pye Int 45's both have "will you let ma have" + "come on baby take me for a ride"

Thanks for confirming, I knew I wasn't imagining it

[Ady Croasdell]

1 hour ago, Only Dreaming said:

=Hi Ady. I remember commenting on this many moons ago. The difference was between the version on the "Kent 50" compilation and the version on the original issue on the red/yellow UK Pye release. There was a small difference in the lyrics. One version had "come on baby and give me a kiss, come on baby that's just what I miss" versus the more risqué "come on baby take me for a ride, I know mama this has gotta be the night". Can't remember which version was which but sure someone on here will. 

Dave 

Great thanks, I'lll listen out for that

[Ady Croasdell]

27 minutes ago, gointoagogo said:

Wand 149, Kent 45 + Inferno 45 all have "The way you let me have" + "come on baby and give me a kiss"

Wand 169 + Pye Int 45's both have "will you let ma have" + "come on baby take me for a ride"

Excelent thanks to everyone.

[Ady Croasdell]

Actually it's a completely different vocal with lots of differences, same backing. Gointoagogo is spot on. I was comparing five different copies of the same version! At least we got it right first time.

[Ady Croasdell]

While we're on are there any other different Chuck Wand versions anyone's come across?

[Mick Holdsworth]

Does that mean, if I'm reading it right, US Wand 149 is different to US Wand 169. Never knew that.

[Ady Croasdell]

26 minutes ago, Mick Holdsworth said:

Does that mean, if I'm reading it right, US Wand 149 is different to US Wand 169. Never knew that.

Apparently. both released in 1964 february and October respectively.

 

Anyone got a sound file of For All Time -flip of Beg Me to hand?

[Andy Rix]

The version of 'In Between Tears' (Wand 128) you used on a Kent LP ...The Magic Touch (Kent 057, Tr 8) is completely different .. and loads better .. I don't think it's been issued on any other CD/LP

The 45 version is on CDKEND 107 'Any Day Now' LP

Andy

Edited February 7, 2017 by Andy Rix

[Ady Croasdell]

Good man in Lincs-that's exactly what I want to hear!

 

I hope you're well Andy

[Andy Rix]

I'm very well Ady .. trust you are too

This is the 'Magic Touch' LP version

 

[Andy Rix]

and the 45/LP version ... so different

Andy

 

[Ady Croasdell]

Actually it's a very basic piano and congas demo we used but it does have charm and ideal for what I want. Ta 

[Garethx]

2 hours ago, Mick Holdsworth said:

Does that mean, if I'm reading it right, US Wand 149 is different to US Wand 169. Never knew that.

Never knew that either. Has anyone got the deadwax info for 169? According to the labels they use the same master #: 50219.

[Mick Reed]

3 hours ago, gointoagogo said:

Wand 149, Kent 45 + Inferno 45 all have "The way you let me have" + "come on baby and give me a kiss"

Wand 169 + Pye Int 45's both have "will you let ma have" + "come on baby take me for a ride"

Hi ive played Wand 149 demo and he sings "come on baby take me for a ride" not kiss. Unless its my lugs.

https://youtu.be/9ZvGrlcGtBA

 

Edited February 7, 2017 by Mick Reed

[Andy Rix]

13 minutes ago, garethx said:

Never knew that either. Has anyone got the deadwax info for 169? According to the labels they use the same master #: 50219.

WAND 149A 50129-1E

Andy

[Garethx]

Indicating a Columbia press Andy.

[Baz1]

I got a wand 169  wot am I looking at? 

[Garethx]

A number beginning with 5 in the runout grooves Baz.

[Baz1]

50129-169b  need a trip to specsavers I think

Edited February 7, 2017 by baz1
Can't read either

[Garethx]

Cheers. Surprised that 149 and 169 apparently play different versions with the same master number.

[Mick Reed]

Well just had a listin to about 15 copys on y tube 149 and 169 all take me for a ride apart from 2 copys 1, 169 and 1, 149 which was give me a kiss.

Edited February 7, 2017 by Mick Reed
Mistake

[Baz1]

Well I've never heard the kiss version I'm pretty sure cos I love it and dance to it everytime hear it so I'd like to hear the different words can anyone post or which utube clip is it please? Cheers baz

[Mick Reed]

There yu go baz

 

[Gointoagogo]

24 minutes ago, Mick Reed said:

Well just had a listin to about 15 copys on y tube 149 and 169 all take me for a ride apart from one copy of 169 which was give me a kiss.

This is strange lol - out of the ones I picked from youtube I got the "give me a kiss" on the 149 below.

I've known there were 2 versions since the Inferno one came out - was it included in a LP btw? I actually preferred that version to the one  had on Wand but I can't remember which Wand one I had and its long gone. I got another one recently and I'll check it when I'm back from hols.

I was at a do in Crewe late last year and I mentioned to my pal that they were playing Hand It Over for the second time in 90 minutes but at least they played the other version.

 

 

[Baz1]

42 minutes ago, Mick Reed said:

There yu go baz

 

Cheers mick!!!!  never heard it before  sounds more real to me;-) than my copy  atb baz 

[Baz1]

Is there a difference in price? 

[Soul-slider]

Well, this prompted me to find a list I wrote years ago! Take a look, I figured out both Chuck Jackson alt takes.

What about the others Ady? All on Kent LPs

The Terry Callier (not Kent) alt version of 'Look At Me Now' at the bottom of the list could be from a Chess LP I have?

 

Edited February 7, 2017 by Soul-Slider

[Ady Croasdell]

Not by a pc all I can say is all the Kent versions are different to the uk Pye. Maybe we could dig our copies out and report on the versions?

you can't always tell from a YouTube clip if they're using the sound from the record or not

[The Yank]

Going slightly off topic- where did the version of the Platters'  "With This Ring" on Kent's Cellar Of Soul  Volume Three come from ??

     The 45 and album version both clock in at 2:24, this version seems slower and has an extra verse not on the 45-

     "got nothing but this old heart of mine, Baby please believe in me, Girl you know sweetheart, I'll always try to keep you satisfied...." 

[Ady Croasdell]

10 minutes ago, the yank said:

Going slightly off topic- where did the version of the Platters'  "With This Ring" on Kent's Cellar Of Soul  Volume Three come from ??

     The 45 and album version both clock in at 2:24, this version seems slower and has an extra verse not on the 45-

     "got nothing but this old heart of mine, Baby please believe in me, Girl you know sweetheart, I'll always try to keep you satisfied...." 

Ha, still at it! It's a minefield. I'll check tomorrow. 

[Ady Croasdell]

Just played a 169 and defo the Pye version. Quickest way to tell is the 149 original has him shout Yeah after his second Hand It Over.

54749-X

W-169-B

50129-1c

markings on this 169

[Garethx]

That copy of 169 sounds like a Monarch press (delta 54749) from a Columbia-cut lacquer. Could be that it's a bit more complex than all copies of 149 play one version and all copies of 169 play a completely different one. 

Can anyone confirm they have a Wand 45 which definitely plays the "give me a kiss…" version? This is the version first used by Kent on "Club Soul" in 1984.

[Garethx]

The youtube clips can be misleading unless they actually show the disc in question being played.

[Tagtag]

I have a 149 and a 169 and they both play the pye version.

[Ady Croasdell]

25 minutes ago, garethx said:

That copy of 169 sounds like a Monarch press (delta 54749) from a Columbia-cut lacquer. Could be that it's a bit more complex than all copies of 149 play one version and all copies of 169 play a completely different one. 

Can anyone confirm they have a Wand 45 which definitely plays the "give me a kiss…" version? This is the version first used by Kent on "Club Soul" in 1984.

I'll compare that tomorrow 

[Mick Reed]

12 hours ago, ady croasdell said:

Just played a 169 and defo the Pye version. Quickest way to tell is the 149 original has him shout Yeah after his second Hand It Over.

54749-X

W-169-B

50129-1c

markings on this 169

Hi Ady my 149 demo does not have him shout yeah after his second hand it over but have checked matris marks monarch pressin and they confirm feb 1964.Here are the marix marks, mr 51411  45-W-149-A   50129-16. Hope this helps.

Edited February 8, 2017 by Mick Reed
Info

[Ady Croasdell]

26 minutes ago, Mick Reed said:

Hi Ady my 149 demo does not have him shout yeah after his second hand it over but have checked matris marks and they confirm feb 1964.Here are the marix marks, mr 51411  45-W-149-A   50129-16. Hope this helps.

Thanks Mick it does help but it ain't much clearer!

 

Both 149 demo and 169 issue have the ride versions but have quite different markings 51411 and 54749.

 

Has anyone got a 169 that plays kiss? It looks like 149 plays both versions though maybe its only demos that play ride? If they are variations could you put the markings up too please?

[Ady Croasdell]

12 hours ago, garethx said:

That copy of 169 sounds like a Monarch press (delta 54749) from a Columbia-cut lacquer. Could be that it's a bit more complex than all copies of 149 play one version and all copies of 169 play a completely different one. 

Can anyone confirm they have a Wand 45 which definitely plays the "give me a kiss…" version? This is the version first used by Kent on "Club Soul" in 1984.

That's the same version we've used all through and judging by that posted YouTube of 149 it does look like it plays kiss but verification of a copy with number details would confirm it.

[Ady Croasdell]

13 hours ago, the yank said:

Going slightly off topic- where did the version of the Platters'  "With This Ring" on Kent's Cellar Of Soul  Volume Three come from ??

     The 45 and album version both clock in at 2:24, this version seems slower and has an extra verse not on the 45-

     "got nothing but this old heart of mine, Baby please believe in me, Girl you know sweetheart, I'll always try to keep you satisfied...." 

We used the same version as we had issued in 1994 on our Platters CD but a mono tape, so they sent us two different tapes both the longer version. It must have been edited and remixed for release unless anyone has a copy of the longer version which also has another chorus before the inst break too. I don't think the tempo's different but it's a different brass mix as the bari sax doesn't come in on the second "always love you" as it does on the 45. 

 

You can have the extra 20 seconds for free! We'll put the correct version out soon too.

 

Thanks

[Mick Reed]

I now have fancy that all the wand copys play the same but been dubed on y tube to play the kent version.

[Ady Croasdell]

25 minutes ago, Mick Reed said:

I now have fancy that all the wand copys play the same but been dubed on y tube to play the kent version.

Possible though I think someone above on this thread had a 149 kiss but we do need it witnessed on a real record and matrixes quoted, not just YouTube!