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16 hours ago, tomangoes said:

New records played in 1975, like the one above...............seem a million miles away from new records played 4 or 5 years later., as featured a few comments earlier

 

The Tony Rallo track was very big at the time. Alec Costandinos is remembered more for his camp disco (Love and Kisses) than for some other stuff that's now picking up overdue attention on the modern scene - this track from John and Arthur Simms, from a 1980 Casablanca LP:

 

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16 hours ago, tomangoes said:

New records played in 1975, like the one above...............seem a million miles away from new records played 4 or 5 years later., as featured a few comments earlier

 

But I wonder how a Wigan audience would have responded to Hi Tension in 1979 - the clip posted on page 9 of this thread maybe gives a clue, even it if was filmed in Brixton. Would love to hear from anyone who can remember being at the Wigan event. Meanwhile, here's Danny Baker...

 

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11 hours ago, JoeSoap said:

Love Brainstorm. Btw Deon Estus from the group later became the bass player for Wham! and collaborated extensively with George Michael throughout his career!

According to his bio Deon Estus was tutored by James Jamerson. Lamont Johnson was the original bass player with Brainstorm and left to make a solo LP in 1978:

 

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Bill Summers released a lot of stuff during the JF era, both solo and with the Summers Heat group. He also appears on many sessions for other JF artists, including Eddie Henderson:

 

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On 23 de febrero de 2018 at 09:47, Mickey Finn said:

That explains the rapid unsigning of the Sex Pistols! Mr Lydon is still upset about that, as he expletes in his latest book (which is worth a read, btw). Would also explain the support given to Brenda Russell, who never fit into any industry categories. And this A&M gem has just grown in stature over time - Howard Johnson:

 

The bass line, the "mood", the voice by Howard Johnson on this track remind me on my favorite work by Rockie Robbins with the great producer Bobby Martin, "You An Me":

 

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Rockie Robbins also worked with Skip Scarborough, who wrote some wonderful tunes that were popular on the JF scene and later the modern scene. Indeed both Howard Johnson and especially Rockie Robbins are good examples of how jazz-influenced RnB combined with more polished production became a significant element of the JF scene in the UK. Another good example of this was Michael Wycoff, whose Webster Lewis-produced albums especially remain popular:

 

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Earlier it was noted how big a lot of UK jazz funk tunes became in France and continental Europe more widely. Delegation were particular popular in France, for example. No surprise that there was some coming in the other direction - this from the later end of the scene that still gets played today, by Serge Ponsar:

 

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Italy also had a significant JF scene, and not just because of Jacques Fred Petrus and the people around him. US military bases were good sources of musicians and singers in various countries, but there was especially in Italy a strong scene producing a lot of records - this from 1981 by Kano:

 

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Yes I knows Skip Scarborough work with Rockie Robbins ("I Can Hardly Wait") and also with Dionne Warwick and my favorite Dionne's track of mine "Can't Hide Love" (specially the live version she cut in the 2 x LP with Isaac Hayes, "A Man And A Woman", ABC / Hot Buttered Soul, 1976). And, of course, I likes a lot also the fantastic cover by EW & F.

Silvetti is not spanish, is from Argentina, but he was living / established here in Spain some years working as songwriter-producer with some of the most popular spanish "folklóricas" (Rocío Jurado and Isabel Pantoja). I likes a lot another Silvetti track also on Salsoul, "Sylvia's Picture".

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On 23/02/2018 at 09:03, Mickey Finn said:

But I wonder how a Wigan audience would have responded to Hi Tension in 1979 - the clip posted on page 9 of this thread maybe gives a clue, even it if was filmed in Brixton. Would love to hear from anyone who can remember being at the Wigan event. Meanwhile, here's Danny Baker...

Loved watching that - many thanks for posting, great stuff. The Ovaltineys though?!

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Not quite up to the standard of Joe 90 :rofl:

I guess you really had to be there...

However, interesting to see that for many record collecting was a major passion, which is how I remember it ... London was full of all sorts of outlets specialising in soul funk and jazz, with plenty of others round the country in some very unlikely places. 

Here's another documentary of more recent vintage:

 

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This came a bit later but with what was by 1983 a bit of a retro feel, heavy on the bass like Aurra, and mixed by the great Tee Scott - Steven Abdul Khan:

 

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Something that might just as easily belong in Reissues Corner but should also be of interest to those following this thread:

 

Just out from Craft Records, on 5 LP vinyl and 3 cd sets:

 

 

 

https://store.craftrecordings.com/collections/all-genres/products/for-discos-only-cd 

https://store.craftrecordings.com/products/for-discos-only-lp-box-set

 

 

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20 hours ago, Mickey Finn said:

This has been bouncing around inside my head for the last couple of days - Charles Earland from 1976:

 

 

I’ve either never heard this before or forgotten it......but either way that is a brilliant jazz/soul/disco crossover record!

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As the thread seems to be drifting towards cuts that had appeal on both scenes (JF & NS) ... here's one that I didn't realise had fans from both genres ... 

BTW, just about to put up a post on this lady elsewhere on the site ... 

 

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Having a bit of a random selection morning, and just pulled this off the shelf.  The Old Castle - Ray Baretto 8 mins + of quality Puerto Rican Jazz Funk.  I know it will send some heading for a cold shower, but had many a happy time dancing to this.  For anyone interested this is off the La Cuna album. 

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On 07/10/2018 at 13:02, SweatBox said:

A BM biggie played out by Colin Curtis - Was Heaven the better track?

 

Was Heaven the better track? YES - specially when you've necked a stack of X.

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Sister Jo/Time Of The Season - Gap Mangione.   Just pulled this off the shelf for the first time in donkeys years.  Rarely heard out at the time, but used to love it.  It will just pass over most of the SS members' heads, but hey too each his own.

 

 

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On 07/02/2018 at 08:00, Mickey Finn said:

 

I can't help but notice that this thread has gone rather off original topic with too many non-jazz related titles no matter how good they are! I could be about to continue that trend but for the fact the two titles I am about to list, rather surprisingly come from Morrissey Mullen LP's! They are two top notch vocal tracks each of which I have played countless times in the last 2 weeks having not previously realised how good they are. Both LP's are solid throughout.

Running Out Of Time is from the 1982 LP, Vocals Carol Kenyon, Bass John McKenzie. It has a Brian Auger feel to it which doesn't surprise me given that on their 1981 LP they used former Brian Auger bassist Clive Chaman, hence possible influences. Strong Larry Graham/Michael Henderson groove on the bass.

Above The Clouds is from the 1983 LP, Vocals Tessa Niles, Bass Joe Hubbard. The track is rather short even though being close to 5 mins, as the intro takes up quite some time. Would have been a good fit for the Leon Ware Rocking You Eternally LP me thinks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=E0okni_FZEw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBHAK0giwBA

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On 23/11/2018 at 09:20, Martin S said:

I can't help but notice that this thread has gone rather off original topic with too many non-jazz related titles no matter how good they are! I could be about to continue that trend but for the fact the two titles I am about to list, rather surprisingly come from Morrissey Mullen LP's! They are two top notch vocal tracks each of which I have played countless times in the last 2 weeks having not previously realised how good they are. Both LP's are solid throughout.

Running Out Of Time is from the 1982 LP, Vocals Carol Kenyon, Bass John McKenzie. It has a Brian Auger feel to it which doesn't surprise me given that on their 1981 LP they used former Brian Auger bassist Clive Chaman, hence possible influences. Strong Larry Graham/Michael Henderson groove on the bass.

Above The Clouds is from the 1983 LP, Vocals Tessa Niles, Bass Joe Hubbard. The track is rather short even though being close to 5 mins, as the intro takes up quite some time. Would have been a good fit for the Leon Ware Rocking You Eternally LP me thinks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=E0okni_FZEw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBHAK0giwBA

Hi Martin,

 

It never takes much to go off trend.  Though I would argue, that the original Jazz/Funk scene was was much about Funk/Soul as it was Jazz initially and only veered to a wider Jazz market when some sounds went too commercial. 

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On 24/11/2018 at 22:02, Soulman58 said:

Hi Martin,

 

It never takes much to go off trend.  Though I would argue, that the original Jazz/Funk scene was was much about Funk/Soul as it was Jazz initially and only veered to a wider Jazz market when some sounds went too commercial. 

Agreed. The thread in fact refers to the jazz funk scene, as opposed to getting hung up on the purity of a particular musical genre. If Robbie V and Chris Hill were the leading lights of the scene, then their playlists certainly went beyond a more narrowly defined concept of JF. This has been reflected in the music highlighted in this thread.

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9 hours ago, Mickey Finn said:

Agreed. The thread in fact refers to the jazz funk scene, as opposed to getting hung up on the purity of a particular musical genre. If Robbie V and Chris Hill were the leading lights of the scene, then their playlists certainly went beyond a more narrowly defined concept of JF. This has been reflected in the music highlighted in this thread.

That's good to hear as it will now save me considerable time as I was just preparing to list what would have amounted to approximately 40 individual tracks or LP's I played over the weekend, all of which were jazz funk/fusion. As I could be found guilty of getting hung up on the purity of a particular musical genre, I can save myself considerable effort, although it's a bit of a shame for potential readers and collectors as there were a number of excellent titles that I expect few people would have been familiar with. 

Instead as it's so much easier, I'll just follow the crowd and post something Robbie and Chris would have played, as you say they went beyond the concept of jazz funk so enjoy the following while I ponder over why the thread is titled "Late 70's Jazz Funk Scene" yet it contains numerous tracks that are not remotely jazz funk and are from the 80's. 

 

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2 hours ago, Martin S said:

That's good to hear as it will now save me considerable time as I was just preparing to list what would have amounted to approximately 40 individual tracks or LP's I played over the weekend, all of which were jazz funk/fusion. As I could be found guilty of getting hung up on the purity of a particular musical genre, I can save myself considerable effort, although it's a bit of a shame for potential readers and collectors as there were a number of excellent titles that I expect few people would have been familiar with. 

Instead as it's so much easier, I'll just follow the crowd and post something Robbie and Chris would have played, as you say they went beyond the concept of jazz funk so enjoy the following while I ponder over why the thread is titled "Late 70's Jazz Funk Scene" yet it contains numerous tracks that are not remotely jazz funk and are from the 80's. 

 

It's just a small group of like-minded JF fans sharing great tunes - if some of them are from the early 80's I'm not bothered in the slightest, life's too short 

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