paris sleepless nights on doc

[Mark Soul]

just purhased a copy on doc been looking for ages buzzing 

[Mick Holdsworth]

One of my faves - I bought one in 1980 or 81.

Trouble is, I'm still waiting for it to arrive !!!

[Geeselad]

head and shoulders on the same label anything else worthwhile?

[Mick Holdsworth]

57 minutes ago, geeselad said:

head and shoulders on the same label anything else worthwhile?

Sandy Wynns - Touch of Venus is on the same label - Do you mean Patti Young H & S - I don't remember that.

[Steve Foran]

Sandy Wynns

1 hour ago, geeselad said:

head and shoulders on the same label anything else worthwhile?

Sandy Wynns

[John Parker]

2 hours ago, geeselad said:

head and shoulders on the same label anything else worthwhile?

Patti Young  Head and Shoulders is on Ernstrat

Edited August 31, 2017 by john parker

[Samplat]

Patti Young far better record

[Geeselad]

ok guys you got me, don't know how my mind conjured that one up, sandy wynns is the other I confused patti young with, apologies all. Back to the fumbled question, anything other than sandy, and Paris?

Edited August 31, 2017 by geeselad

[Godzilla]

[Guest]

3 hours ago, samplat said:

Patti Young far better record

They are both great records!  It's not a competition to find the best!

Edited August 31, 2017 by Guest

[Samplat]

26 minutes ago, solidsoul said:

They are both great records!  It's not a competition to find the best!

Damn

[Robbk]

On 8/31/2017 at 11:18, Godzilla said:

I didn't know about this one.  Al Capps was a producer and songwriter under Hal Davis at Jobete Music, L.A. (L.A.'s Motown office from 1963-1966. As I remember, Davis, and Marc Gordon had an associate in L.A., who was a dentist and financier of Davis' Finesse Music Productions (his non-Motown work).  He had a company and address in Rydal, Pennsylvania (Philadelphia suburb).  The label was called "Doc" because he was a dentist.  All the Doc label's operations took place in L.A.  You can tell by the labels that they were pressed in L.A., and all I've had in my hands were pressed at Monarch in 1964 and 1965.  "The Brush" by The Shiny Brothers must be an instrumental.  Is the A side a vocal?  The Shiny Brothers had a release called "Smilesville USA".  Here's a link to hear the Jan & Dean style advertisement for The American Dental Association on You Tube:

 

It sounds like pure 1964 (Jan & Dean clone).  So, as Doc records operated in 1964, I assume that "Smilesville USA" is the A side of Doc 101. 

Capps wrote and produced "The Brush".  But, the publisher was H.R.B.  So, this was another Motown rejection, or, more likely, was never offered to them, as it was recorded by the dentist for The American Dental Association, or just a hobby for the rich dentist, who wanted to own a record label.

Apparently, the L.A. Dentist knew Helen R Blumburg, who raised funds to help needy children in Pennsylvania have good dental care.  And he had his recording company record these 2 songs for her campaign.  The Smiley Brothers, who first recorded "The Brush", were a Black Soul group, produced in Philadelphia by prolificx Pop producer, Bob Finiz (Jamie-Guyden. Cameo-Parkway, etc.) whose lead singer's voice is VERY familiar to me (famous Philly group?).  I assume that the recording of "The Brush" on Doc is by the L.A. surf group (The Shiny Brothers), and was recorded AFTER The Smiley Brothers.

 

 

 

Edited September 1, 2017 by RobbK

[Soul-slider]

Here you go Robb...spot on.

https://www.45cat.com/record/doc101

[Robbk]

The Brush" by The Smiley Brothers, were a Black Soul group, whose lead singer's voice is VERY familiar to me.  Does anyone else here know who that lead singer is?  Listen to it closely, and see if you can tell.

[Mick Holdsworth]

Robb, I can't find a clip of "The Brush", where did you hear it ?

Edited September 1, 2017 by Mick Holdsworth

[Bo Diddley]

1 hour ago, Mick Holdsworth said:

Robb, I can't find a clip of "The Brush", where did you hear it ?

Hi Mick,

Is it this one? Seems to be a toothpaste ad so I'm note sure!

 

[Mick Holdsworth]

I think that'll probably be it Kev.

Smiley Brothers becomes Shiny Brothers but both with Rydal Pa in address. If not identical recording, then maybe a version or variant of it. Don't know which release came first.

[Robbk]

10 hours ago, bo diddley said:

Hi Mick,

Is it this one? Seems to be a toothpaste ad so I'm note sure!

 

Yes, that's the one.  As to the timing, it's hard to tell.  In the late 60s, I heard that Doc Records was owned by a doctor or dentist who lived in L.A. but used a Philadelphia Area address for the label.  Now we know why.  Helen R. Blumberg ran her non-profit Corporation there, which was dedicated to providing dental care to disadvantaged children.  Maybe she provided some funding for the L.A. dentist's record company, based on his promise to produce some records promoting dental care.  The dentist hired L.A. producer/songwriter, Al Capps, who produced both Pop and Soul music, as his producer/A&R man.  Capps was currently working for Jobete Music's L.A. office in 1964, when Doc started,, - thus, the connection to Doc's getting to lease the Paris and Sandy Wynns records from Hal Davis and Marc Gordon.  The latter pair's Finesse Productions had the rights to release those cuts on any personal label or lease them to someone else, because Motown didn't schedule them for release within 6 months of Jobete's buying their rights and publishing the songs.  The fact that the dentist's hiree, Al Capps wrote "The Brush", leads me to believe that The surf group, The Shiny Brothers' version was first, in mid 1964, and The Smiley Brothers' version, produced by Bob Finiz, Helen Blumberg's hiree, in Philadelphia, came later, in late 1964, or early 1965.  It does sound a little like early '65.  I KNOW that Smiley Brothers' lead singer's voice so well.  I'd bet they were a well-known Philadelphia group (not The Dreamlovers, but one of that level of stardom).  I'd love to hear the Shiny Brothers' "Surf version", in The Jan & Dean style.  They sound verylike one of the main L.A. Surf groups (maybe The Fantastic Baggys or The Ripchords (Bruce(Johnston & Terry (Melcher)).  They weren't good enough to be Jan & Dean or The Beach Boys.

Edited September 1, 2017 by RobbK

[Geeselad]

looks like label just had the three aforesaid tracks.

[Robbk]

11 hours ago, geeselad said:

looks like label just had the three aforesaid tracks.

Do you mean the three aforesaid records released (The Shiny Brothers, Paris and Sandy Wynns)?  Come to think of it, I seem to remember also an instrumental (both sides) release, also produced by Al Capps, by an instrumental group (somebody and The........).  It wasn't published by Jobete Music, nor HRB, but another L.A. Soul music publisher (perhaps Capps' own publishing co.?).