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Some of the labels were reversed when it was issued and it is unclear which tune is catwalk. Both sides are good instrumentals, one starts with piano and sounds a bit like the JJ Jackson Sho Nuff tune. The other side is all brass. Anyone know which side is Catwalk and was this the side played at the Torch.

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This is not the Cat Walk played at the Torch, next time I will actually listen to something before assuming its the tune I was looking for. This is of course the flip side "A Little Bit Of Soul".

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Kegsy

The record I remember as The Cat Walk is not the one on your link ,although I've been told it is really The Cat Walk and the one that was played at the Torch was one of the many that had reversed labels , so this is "The Cat Walk" that really isn't as it is the other side. confusing!                                                                                                                                                                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEKgaB

 

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10 hours ago, Rick Cooper said:

Kegsy

The record I remember as The Cat Walk is not the one on your link ,although I've been told it is really The Cat Walk and the one that was played at the Torch was one of the many that had reversed labels , so this is "The Cat Walk" that really isn't as it is the other side. confusing!                                                                                                                                                                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEKgaB

 

 

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cat walk was a massive sound at the catacombs................

they put it on their advert, used in blues & soul mag. "where the sounds begin" 

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10 hours ago, Rick Cooper said:

Kegsy

The record I remember as The Cat Walk is not the one on your link ,although I've been told it is really The Cat Walk and the one that was played at the Torch was one of the many that had reversed labels , so this is "The Cat Walk" that really isn't as it is the other side. confusing!                                                                                                                                                                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEKgaB

 

This is deffo the one played at the Torch 100% confirmed, you can even hear it played out here in 1972, at two minutes and 20 seconds in, the Catwalk as we know it is played : https://www.mixcloud.com/garrykeen/the-torch-a-live-recording-from-1972-djs-alan-day-martyn-ellis-tony-jebb/

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11 hours ago, Rick Cooper said:

Kegsy

The record I remember as The Cat Walk is not the one on your link ,although I've been told it is really The Cat Walk and the one that was played at the Torch was one of the many that had reversed labels , so this is "The Cat Walk" that really isn't as it is the other side. confusing!                                                                                                                                                                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEKgaB

 

This was the side played at the Torch, for me it's the Catwalk.

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1 hour ago, Chris L said:

No, but because of the reverse label thing many people thought it had been.

wow............

so all copies have labels reversed??

always thought they were boots!!

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12 hours ago, Rick Cooper said:

Kegsy

The record I remember as The Cat Walk is not the one on your link ,although I've been told it is really The Cat Walk and the one that was played at the Torch was one of the many that had reversed labels , so this is "The Cat Walk" that really isn't as it is the other side. confusing!                                                                                                                                                                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEKgaB

 

 

2 hours ago, jim g said:

This is deffo the one played at the Torch 100% confirmed, you can even hear it played out here in 1972, at two minutes and 20 seconds in, the Catwalk as we know it is played : 

 

1 hour ago, Chris L said:

This was the side played at the Torch, for me it's the Catwalk.

Yes guys you are all quite correct, I have amended my earlier post, looks like I listened to the right tune on youtube and then copied the wrong link somehow. Apologies for any confusion caused.

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Looks like everyone agrees that video two is the tune played at the Torch. Just out of interest I played my copy of it and timed it at 2:25 long which all the Fatback labels say is "A little bit of soul". So we have the right tune but is it the right title?

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40 minutes ago, Millo said:

Looks like everyone agrees that video two is the tune played at the Torch. Just out of interest I played my copy of it and timed it at 2:25 long which all the Fatback labels say is "A little bit of soul". So we have the right tune but is it the right title?

Interesting point. So what you are saying is that the reverse label copies are the right way round and that the ones with the labels the right way round are in fact the reverse of what was previously thought, mi lud.

Any clues in the matrix ?, I sold my copy a few weeks ago so I can't look.

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3 hours ago, Kegsy said:

No mate, only the copies with reversed labels have reversed labels, the copies that don't, haven't.

so if things don't alter they'll stay as the are

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2 minutes ago, 25miles said:

so if things don't alter they'll stay as the are

Exactly, as my Grandma used to say "If things don't change they won't alter".

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1 hour ago, Kegsy said:

Interesting point. So what you are saying is that the reverse label copies are the right way round and that the ones with the labels the right way round are in fact the reverse of what was previously thought, mi lud.

Any clues in the matrix ?, I sold my copy a few weeks ago so I can't look.

On my copy the matrix information is scratched in;

2:25 duration side reads FP 411 (crossed out B) A. This is the Torch tune.

2:20 duration side reads FP 411 (crossed out A) B.

Both sides have the Bell Sound stamp.

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I have a vague recollection that someone told me that someone had told them that when they asked Fatback records (or someone claiming to own the tapes) for a tape of The Catwalk they were sent a tape that played A Little Bit of Soul. So it looks like the mix up with what recording is which started with a mistake on a tape box. The changed matrix number with the scratched out A and B  on the deadwax could be an attempt to get it right. However as both tracks are instrumentals and the titles are fairly meaningless I don't suppose it matters what we know it by, but The Cat Walk sounds cool and who wants a little bit of soul.

Rick

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4 hours ago, Millo said:

On my copy the matrix information is scratched in;

2:25 duration side reads FP 411 (crossed out B) A. This is the Torch tune.

2:20 duration side reads FP 411 (crossed out A) B.

Both sides have the Bell Sound stamp.

My copy is the same as this

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7 hours ago, Godzilla said:

The other side is better.

They are both good sides but I agree with you, the other side is better  ... surprised a little that they preferred Cat Walk at the Torch ...

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My copy has the FP 411B on the side labelled 'The Cat Walk' along with the Bell Sound stamp, the B is not crossed out. The track is the same one that Rick Cooper posted with the jingling bells in the opening.

On the Kent CD 'Fatback's Soul Shop', the 2nd track is titled 'The Cat Walk' and is the same track with the jingling bells in the opening.

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19 hours ago, sunnysoul said:

They are both good sides but I agree with you, the other side is better  ... surprised a little that they preferred Cat Walk at the Torch ...

I suppose you had to be there at the time.

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Perhaps some knowledgeable person will correct me, but I always thought that The Cat Walk (jingly bells tune) was played on the scene originally only because it was a play on the name Catacombs? Maybe they thought it would become their theme tune?
Obviously it's been written about many times that the Cats DJ's and the Torch DJ's swapped and traded tunes (and probably further afield as well) picking up on each others "biggies", but in my memory it was a record that was soon around in plentiful supply. 
In that era many of the flipsides were tried out and I'm pretty sure that was the case for Gerry & Paul, reckon I danced to both back then and it spread to the local nightclubs and bars (maybe it was the nightclub DJ's who didn't know which was the correct tune to play and played the flip not the Cat Walk because they had wrongly labelled copies?)
Either way up, it's a great memory of when the world was a simpler, and for me at least, a happier place !

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Oh, it does seem to be some kind of instrumental version, with added instruments, of J.J. Jackson's "Sho Nuff," which itself is a...well, "rip-off" might be too strong a word...which itself contains a nod to the Contours' "Just a Little Misunderstanding." 

I've always played the other side of Gerry & Paul and had never till now heard this side!

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On 10/09/2017 at 16:58, Mark R said:

Can someone really simplify this and make a definitive post of the tune which IS the Catwalk please?

Cheers,

Mark R

No one really knows which is which do they?

 

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On 9/10/2017 at 16:58, Mark R said:

Can someone really simplify this and make a definitive post of the tune which IS the Catwalk please?

Cheers,

Mark R

The tune with the prominent Bobby Wells style vibes/tubular bells on the intro is the tune everybody, who was there at the time, knows as The Cat Walk. When the horns kick in you can virtually hear the words "lets do the cat walk, come on and do the cat walk".

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On 9/6/2017 at 22:44, Rick Cooper said:

Kegsy

The record I remember as The Cat Walk is not the one on your link ,although I've been told it is really The Cat Walk and the one that was played at the Torch was one of the many that had reversed labels , so this is "The Cat Walk" that really isn't as it is the other side. confusing!                                                                                                                                                                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEKgaB

 

This is deffo the side that was played at the Torch, one of my all time faves and never gets played anymore more's the pity

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On 9/14/2017 at 17:05, Roburt said:

Kegsy, you can't possibly recall who was there at the time, what they knew & which track was which ... you were always off your head back then.

who wasn't !!

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On 9/14/2017 at 17:05, Roburt said:

Kegsy, you can't possibly recall who was there at the time, what they knew & which track was which ... you were always off your head back then.

Friday to Monday is not always, i'll have you know, Tuesday to Wednesday was for kipping, Thursday was for scoring or shopping when the Chemists were closed.

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4 hours ago, Kegsy said:

Friday to Monday is not always, i'll have you know, Tuesday to Wednesday was for kipping, Thursday was for scoring or shopping when the Chemists were closed.

LOL, good answer

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what a thread, absolutely brilliant.I used to be indicisive but now i'm not so sure! Lol.                                                All the best Fred 

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On 9/21/2017 at 07:28, Kegsy said:

Friday to Monday is not always, i'll have you know, Tuesday to Wednesday was for kipping, Thursday was for scoring or shopping when the Chemists were closed.

So was this where you headed on Thursdays ... 

 

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:hatsoff2:HI All I think the confusion about the Gerry & Paul 45, stems from Blackpool mecca in 72, either Tony TONY Jebb ott Allen Day,

Had the original (grained Label) , and preferred the title CAR WALK.:sleep3:

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