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Another all too familiar sickening day unfolding before our very eyes.
How on earth can a man with at least 10 guns be allowed to randomly take out the lives of innocent people enjoying themselves.
God Bless all of the victims and their families.

This is simply one of the best albums ever made.

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Peace & Love
Paul

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According to a book called Reaganomics,  more kids die in private swimming pools in america,           every year,   than are killed by guns ,   food for thought,  but 2wrongs don't make a right  . can't see them banning either though . ✌😢

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Yesterday the shares of all the U.S. gun makers soared, this happens every time there is an event like this. The American answer to shootings is to buy more guns to shoot. Fair enough the right to bears arms is in the constitution, but when it was written they didn't have arms that could kill/injure nigh on 600 in 20 minutes.

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Years ago I was a regular on a prominent taekwondo forum and the conversation sometimes got on to  this topic. Gettinig into  convos and arguements with a number of pro-gun Americans was actually pretty bizarre. Some of these were professional intelligent people. Yet their level of argument was so base it was unbelievable. It showed me that  any form of dialogue with the pro-gun lobby is pointless. You're just wasting your time  - anyone see the pro-gun  clown Piers Morgan got into it with today on GMB?  The only way they will stop it is for politicians without ties to the NRA and other groups to take the lead and gain public support.  That's going to  take along time and would   probably give rise to the growth  of pro-gun terrorist groups. 

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The only chance the US has of eliminating the problem is to install a female president.

NIKKI HALEY
CONDALEEZA RICE
JOYCE MEYER
MICHELLE OBAMA

or import someone . . . Angela Merkel, Theresa May.

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2 hours ago, RUDZY said:

The only chance the US has of eliminating the problem is to install a female president.

NIKKI HALEY
CONDALEEZA RICE
JOYCE MEYER
MICHELLE OBAMA

or import someone . . . Angela Merkel, Theresa May.

Doubt that very much .

 

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The right to bear arms was needed to protect yourself from injuns and bears.

The injuns have gone, or at least had their bows and arrows confiscated,  and you don't need a sub machine gun to fend off a bear.

However don't just blame the weapon, blame the nutter who pulled the trigger.

Remember that nutter who mowed down all those folks in Nice with a HGV?

Then there was the nutters who crashed a jumbo jet into the twin towers of the world trade centre.

Its indeed a crazy world we live in at the moment.

Ed

 

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The "right to  bear arms" has really nothing to do with "injuns" and bears.  it's actiully a  pretty complex issue that academics and politicians are still arguing about

Actually the native American tribes - those whose land it was before the European invasion were systematically maccacred at a level of brutality on  par with any  war crime before or since.

As for blaming "nutters".  Every society has its share of mentally ill people. Not every society allows those  same people the ability to walk into a supermaket and purchase a sub-machine gun.  But it hasn't even been established that the person responsible was mentally ill. And the terrorist incident you refer to are a differnet issue and as far as I'm  aware were not carried out by "nutters" but by extremists  fully aware of their actions.

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1 hour ago, tomangoes said:

The right to bear arms was needed to protect yourself from injuns and bears.

The injuns have gone, or at least had their bows and arrows confiscated,  and you don't need a sub machine gun to fend off a bear.

However don't just blame the weapon, blame the nutter who pulled the trigger.

Remember that nutter who mowed down all those folks in Nice with a HGV?

Then there was the nutters who crashed a jumbo jet into the twin towers of the world trade centre.

Its indeed a crazy world we live in at the moment.

Ed

 

But you can't just nip into Walmart and buy an HGV or a Jumbo Jet.

The U.S. reaction to Las Vegas is priceless, they are looking at banning some gizmo that turned the guys semi auto into fully auto weapons. So in future these nutters will only be able to kill half as many in the same time period. 

When the Constitution was written the most powerful weapon was probably a single round musket. The problem isn't the right to bear arms, per se,  it's the type of weapons now too readily available in the U.S.

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15 minutes ago, maslar said:

The "right to  bear arms" has really nothing to do with "injuns" and bears.  it's actiully a  pretty complex issue that academics and politicians are still arguing about

 

The founding fathers of America came from European states, where the local aristocrat usually had his own militia. These militias were not averse to violent subjugation of any uppity commoners. One of the reasons for right to bears arms clause, was to allow the citizens to protect themselves from their own rulers/leaders if necessary.

 

On the day after the shootings, shares in all the U.S. gun makers rocketed, that's because people buy even more guns after these incidents.

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14 hours ago, RUDZY said:

The only chance the US has of eliminating the problem is to install a female president.

NIKKI HALEY
CONDALEEZA RICE
JOYCE MEYER
MICHELLE OBAMA

or import someone . . . Angela Merkel, Theresa May.

Great list. My choice from that would be Condy Rice  - the Sec. of State who during Hurricane Katrina as thousands of Americans fought for their lives took in a Broadway musical and then went shopping for the most expensive  shoes on 5th Avenue.

I note your women only only shortlist doesn't include America's most famous psychopath. :g:

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typo

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Mentally ill covers a lot of conditions. Being a nutter or lunatic, is at the extreme.

I'd still put this shooter and the terrorists in the same category as nutters. Indiscriminate killing of innocents can never be justified, but it's becoming more common.

Ed

 

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6 hours ago, surfcity said:

I think the owners of Scottsdale Gun Club Phoenix Arizona USA and their patrons / members would take issue being described as a 'porno site' :D

Your flippant and blase' attitude is no laughing matter. . .

Out of respect for the 58 dead and over 500 seriously injured it would be a good idea to close down the stores that sold the guns.

Surely it is time for somebody out there to say ENOUGH, IS ENOUGH, IS ENOUGH -  let's go and make positive changes.

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43 minutes ago, RUDZY said:

Your flippant and blase' attitude is no laughing matter. . .

Out of respect for the 58 dead and over 500 seriously injured it would be a good idea to close down the stores that sold the guns.

Surely it is time for somebody out there to say ENOUGH, IS ENOUGH, IS ENOUGH -  let's go and make positive changes.

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What's 'flippant and blase' about pointing out that women in the USA enjoy their guns as well - in response to your suggestion that a female president would be the solution to eliminating the problem ? Infact gun ownership has increased amoungst females in the USA - citing safety and protection as reasons for .

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SURFCITY

What's 'flippant and blase' about pointing out that women in the USA enjoy their guns as well - in response to your suggestion that a female president would be the solution to eliminating the problem ? Infact gun ownership has increased amoungst females in the USA - citing safety and protection as reasons for .

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GUNS ARE THE PROBLEM!

Time for some positive changes. . .
Gun Clubs could be replaced with a 5 A Side Footbal Pitch or a Ten Pin Bowling Alley.
Guys and gals have a chance to have some fun in a team environment and get fit at the same time.

Mate are you in the UK?

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Apparently there are over twice the number of guns in Canada than in the USA per head of population, yet the last time a mass shooting resulted in double figures of victims was in 1989. Whatever is decided in the USA (if anything) after this weeks events needs not only to drastically alter the laws regarding the buying and selling of weapons, the ownership of them, but also, over time, the mindset of the average American regarding guns. The proposal of merely tightening the laws regarding the equipment that can be added to a gun to make it even more lethal is almost laughable.

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I have friends in Sarasota Chicago Los Angeles Clarksville Washington Detroit and Omaha, and none of them own a gun.

If I lived in the USA, I think I would own one, unless it was in a state where it is extremely hard to own one.

I fully agree that these guns and rifles capable of mass killings should be banned totally, and eventually all guns.

Ed

 

 

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4 hours ago, tomangoes said:

I have friends in Sarasota Chicago Los Angeles Clarksville Washington Detroit and Omaha, and none of them own a gun.

If I lived in the USA, I think I would own one, unless it was in a state where it is extremely hard to own one.

I fully agree that these guns and rifles capable of mass killings should be banned totally, and eventually all guns.

Ed

 

 

Just curious, but why would you want to own a gun?

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Probably for the same reason most other folks do, self protection.

If the bad guys have access to them, it's a personal choice, but sometimes you can only fight fire with fire.

Hopefully 'my theoretical gun' would never see the light of day.

Ed

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I lived in Minnesota for 10 years and slept soundly with a pistol under my pillow, illegally bought from a pawn shop (as I was there illegally too) as a deterrent to any would be burglar, having been burgled beforehand.  I knew how to use it, and would have used it, if the opportunity arose, though my first shot would have been a leg shot depending on whether the burglar was packing heat, then a head shot would have been next, if only so his memory wouldn't be all that good afterwards!

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43 minutes ago, tomangoes said:

And for the intruder that would be an occupational hazard.

Ed

precisely, I had friends stabbed to death whilst there by burglars, and in a game of rock, paper, scissors a pistol wins hands down over a knife.

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4 hours ago, TattooDave said:

I lived in Minnesota for 10 years and slept soundly with a pistol under my pillow, illegally bought from a pawn shop (as I was there illegally too) as a deterrent to any would be burglar, having been burgled beforehand.  I knew how to use it, and would have used it, if the opportunity arose, though my first shot would have been a leg shot depending on whether the burglar was packing heat, then a head shot would have been next, if only so his memory wouldn't be all that good afterwards!

You slept with a gun under your pillow? Amazing. Safety catch on or off? 

The reason people get burgled is because they don't make their home secure. The money you spent on the gun would have done that. It is possible to  make it virtually impossible to get into your home. making the need for a gun completely redundant.  Then you really could sleep soundly.

This is actually the  type of argumemnt I've heard before. You are under the assumption that whilst  asleep you will awake, grab your gun and be in a state of mind to  use it against someone who is already awake, already in an aggressive state of mind and already has their finger on the trigger.   You assume you'll come out on top? 

My money's on the other guy.

 

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